Quote from: Shantel on January 26, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
Thought this is relevant and fits into the conversation nicely here.
Saul David Alinsky was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He is often noted for his book, Rules for Radicals. He was born January 30, 1909 in Chicago, Il., and died June 12, 1972. He was educated at the University of Chicago, was married to Irene, and wrote the books: Rules for Radicals and Reveille for Radicals. Called "the father of the community-organizing model", he reportedly inspired both Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton. So, let's take a look at what it takes to create a social state according to Saul Alinsky. There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
1. Healthcare: Control healthcare and you control the people.
2. Poverty: Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3. Debt: Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.
4. Gun Control: Remove the ability for people to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5. Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)
6. Education: Take control of what people read and listen to take control of what children learn in school.
7. Religion: Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.
8. Class Warfare: Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Does this sound familiar?
I once wore a uniform and we stacked the corpses of those following this ideology up like cordwood, so is it any wonder that others here like myself would be in diametric opposition to what seems to be happening right here in the US and elsewhere in western societies?
Latch onto whatever dead men's words you want, as a former member of the Communist Party of the USA; I can see that you don't really understand the goals of the far left at all. Worse still, you mention Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton, who are not even at all in the same league as Chairman Webb and even he is a revisionist if there ever was one; there are reasons why I am a
former Party member.
You act like gun control is some part of this conspiracy orchestrated by this vast sinister network of leftwing agents to bring about world domination, but that simply isn't the case. Almost any time someone starts to say anything is a vast conspiracy, and that nothing is what it seems, they seem to be wrong. Even people I consider radical and dangerous like Rand Paul, I can recognize aren't trying to create some global plutocracy by changing taxes, many times things are exactly what they seem to be, Rand Paul thinks his tax policy would work out to the better benefit of the people, and so does Barack Obama, and the CPUSA isn't really even interesting in total nationalization of the economy because they see markets as useful tools. The truth is, things are alot more chaotic than any conspiracy would ever allow for.
Has it ever occurred to you, that when people of differing political persuasions want things like licenses or background checks, that they
aren't lying, and that not everything is some slippery slope? I want reforms that are reasonable regulations on an aspect of American life that has resisted regulation for no reason that I can see that is justifiable, that doesn't make me somehow secretly working for the total banning of guns. Now
I do support Nationalization of heavy industry, employee owned government invested private enterprises (kinda like Yugoslavia), heavy progressive tax structures, government owned banks, still tariffs, and full employment for anyone who wants a job. None of those things have anything to do with me wanting reasonable background checks, safety classes or licensing for firearms, there is just no connection between the two aside from a general preference of an orderly community.
