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How to take sublingual estrogen tips

Started by Satinjoy, February 01, 2014, 04:13:32 AM

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Satinjoy

I have trouble with keeping my estrogen under my tongue without it liquifying and leaking out.  Any tips?  You taste it you waste it.  Sometimes I waste it and my serum levels are too low to waste any of it.  I use standard estriadol tabs, , the docs know how many per day.  Takes 45 mins to an hour to disolve.

Sublingual medically ok with the doc for this.  And I don't want the expense of injections.

I clamp down with the tongue to create a seal with the teeth with the tabs on the left side and in the back under the vein, and try not to move or create much suction on top, keeping my mouth closed.

Suggestions?

Have to be careful not to cross the line on posting rules here.  Pull the post if it does that.  Can't find any good tips on the web addressing this, just basic instructions out there.

Thank you.



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Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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KayXo

I've recently come across studies that showed that Estrace and Provames (oral estradiol tablets) taken vaginally in genetic women were effective, up to 11x more than oral, in terms of estradiol levels. I wouldn't see any reason, then, to why rectal couldn't just be as effective since both routes yield similar results when used for hormone replacement therapy in women. If you aren't bothered by this for psychological reason (which I also understand if you would, but I'm not) and prefer this to sublingual (because there is no risk of swallowing and the inconvenience of keeping it there for so long), then this is an option. You just put a little KY gel on the anus (which is safe since it used for rectal thermometers) and insert the pill inside but be sure not to insert it too deep, just enough so that it well placed inside and be comfortable for you. Too deep and it will be absorbed into the portal vein going to the liver and then, it will be metabolized like when you swallow it.

If placed just near the entrance but away from the anus (where you can feel more space) , the pill will melt, dissolve and be absorbed directly into the blood (inferior and middle veins vs superior vein) while giving more constant levels vs. sublingual where levels peak the first 1-2 hours and then exponentially (very quickly) decrease. Levels will be quite high too. So you can take very little and have significant effects.

With rectal, you can take it twice daily vs. sublingually, where you need to take it more frequently to avoid too much fluctuation in levels which may cause neurological side-effects (i.e. PMS).
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Satinjoy

Fascinating.

I'll see where my levels stabilize again and then run this past the doc for his input - and his serum tests.  Also would like to know if anyone else out there has tried this.

I know the peak/ valley well.  I go morning, then 5 hrs later, then 6, daily.  Without testing I can't get an accurate read but I think I may averate about 180 on the serums, with 250 an hour in and then down to 125 later, top at 400 and bottom in the morning at about 50 making me a little menopausal.

Dunno.  Needs proof, dose was just increased after a dissappinint 120 reading 6 hours into the day last time in.  8 months on hormones and 55 years old, they are being careful, which is good.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Satinjoy

More on this seeking input from the forum:

Better with open mouth and tougue sealed against teeth to dry saliva out?
Suction/ air pressure in mouth bad?
Start dry mouth or start wet?
If it gets out so you taste sweet will not swallowing with a mouth full of saliva allow absorption?
Will a dry pill get absorbed anyway?
Has anyone tried the method above with the bottom?
Are there concerns with having a 30 year old hemhorroid that bleeds with doing it from the bottom?  Or cancer risk?

Would like any thoughts or tips.

These serum changes are fairly intense ups and downs right now.

If anything crosses the line let the admins speak please.

Thanks
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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KayXo

If you have hemorrhoids, best not to go with rectal, just in case. Stick with sublingual. But honestly, I've been on hormones almost 10 years and have seen absolutely no advantage in taking my estrogen sublingually vs orally.  In fact, I've gotten more breast growth and more feminization from oral, surprisingly. Also, with sublingual, levels fluctuate more and can lead to ups and downs mentally. With oral, levels are more constant and avoid this side-effect. Sublingual is also much more inconvenient, requires to take dose more frequently vs oral. And finally, since we are taking bio-identical estradiol, it is quite safe and orally, the risks are quite low as I've noted in another post on estradiol levels...so not worth the effort and making a big fuss over. This is the reason I just swallow my pills.

I've tried rectal thinking it might just make a difference in terms of levels, giving much more for my money but I'm not even sure about that. Still exploring...but I wouldn't advise you go that route since it is an unexplored avenue, your preexisting conditions and always consult first with doctor. ;)

Take care...
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Satinjoy

data, data

Thanks for your help here, I am just glad it works period.  First time I have heard a positive concerning oral vs sub though.

:)
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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