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Is age 48 to old to do this?

Started by Paula white, February 03, 2014, 02:45:07 AM

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Tori

Oh Paula, I am so sorry. If only the world were simple.

I am proud of you.

Hugs,
Tori


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monica93304

I'm 43. I thought at times that I was too old, but then I couldn't let any more time go by.  Be happy and do what you think is right for you.
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stephaniec

Well. If I was laying in a casket 6 feet under ground, I'd have to admit it was too late.
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Just Shelly

Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on February 05, 2014, 12:50:43 AM
This is the biggest pile of ignorant bitchery I have read in a long time, but it seems to be a theme with you.

Many of our older TG/TS members did not have access to the resources you have today.  "Gender identity" was not a widely understood concept for many of us.  I saw a psychiatrist at the age of 19 (1970s), trying to figure things out, and was told I was just bisexual and not to worry about how I felt.

I wish I had known then what I know now.  As it was, I entered into a relationship with a beautiful and understanding woman, raised a family, and did my best to meet the gender expectations of society.  Only in the last few years has the dysphoria reached the point where I had to do something about it.

It coincided with stress-related cardio-vascular disease that took its toll over time.  I was slowly killing myself trying to be something I really was not.  When you are in a close, loving relationship with someone for over 30 years, they recognize some things.  In 30 years time, the mask occasionally falls off.  The label for it might be new, but the transperson does not fundamentally change inside.

I very sincerely doubt those of my generation went out of their way to be deceitful.  We have learned to roll with the punches as they come.  Some of us were fortunate to find out about gender therapy and afford surgeries.  Even then, the standards and protocols for transition, were so strict, many of us would have failed.  Some of us died trying.

Count yourself lucky, Dahlia, that you are relatively young.  Too bad you do not have the wisdom that comes with age and experience.
I think Dahlia is right on!!

So many of us need to eventually put ourselves first in order to do what we have too....but it doesn't mean our loved ones desires, hopes and future should just be put aside!! Transitioning involves the ones you love almost as much as the one that is transitioning....and its more difficult since they are loosing someone they knew they loved and gaining someone their not sure they can love.

I read about so many people on here that have talked immensely about their transition and I never knew they were still married or had children....it seemed this was not an important factor in their transition.

I am in awe when I hear about the spouses that have stayed together after one has transitioned!! This is truly love and it can HAPPEN! children on the other hand don't have much of a choice!

I have known more than a few trans that dearly loved their wives and children and vowed they would do anything to stay together. Their spouses and children accepted them and agreed to do what was necessary to help...what ends up happening is the person transitioning ends up leaving them....usually for another man!! Ya thanks for sticking with me while I turn into a women but I don't love women anymore so goodbye!!

There's not too many here that would be overly offended if a close coworker had a difficult time with their transition and would probably give them the leeway they needed until they adjusted......but it seems many transitioners don't take this same consideration and time for the ones they love the most. These people sleep, eat, have sex, and share so much in life....isn't it considerate to give them the most slack.....for Pete's sake your changing your gender!!!!! This is not what anyone signed up for....but it doesn't mean they won't accept you.

I had only my children to consider when I transitioned....I finally did have to put my self first and say I needed to do this for me, but I still put them first by taking things slow....did I want too?? Hell NO!! I was minutes away from this step 20 years ago....and I wasn't getting any younger....I now decided to follow through but knew I could not rush this for the sake of my children. I just wish others would have the compassion for the ones that love them no matter who they are!!
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Nora Kayte

Quote from: Paula white on February 06, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Well has the "talk" with the wife this evening after seeing therapist today.

Did not go well. She knew I was transgendered but me "fessing up" in full about how I felt inside has not gone down at all well. She wants a divorce. Can not say I really blame her if I was a woman (maybe someday?!) and I married a man that's how I would want it to stay. She claims I have " wasted both our lives". Feeling down, this is a low point, but in an odd way I am glad it is out there if you get me?

Ya I totally get you. I had my first appointment with the therapist on Tuesday. And to my surprise my wife came home from work and initiated the "talk" And although mine seemed like it went better than yours I got the "I don't want to be married to a woman" you can go to my profile and read that long post. Things seem great right now. But I am worried more worried than anything I ever have been in my life. I am thinking I have until I save for FFS Because when I look like the woman I am on the inside and I can't hide it anymore she will leave me if she has not already. And it will be easy because we are only married by common law. I am so sorry it did not go well for you. I am almost in tears just thinking of the pain you and others like us have or are going to go through. Life is always unfair. But like my wife said, you have to do what you have to do to be happy. That is the most important thing.

Norma Lynne







Let Go of Who You Think You're Supposed to Be and Embrace Who You Are.
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sad panda

Quote from: Paula white on February 06, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Well has the "talk" with the wife this evening after seeing therapist today.

Did not go well. She knew I was transgendered but me "fessing up" in full about how I felt inside has not gone down at all well. She wants a divorce. Can not say I really blame her if I was a woman (maybe someday?!) and I married a man that's how I would want it to stay. She claims I have " wasted both our lives". Feeling down, this is a low point, but in an odd way I am glad it is out there if you get me?

What did you expect? Ya made a promise you couldn't keep. I feel bad for her o.o
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Joan

Quote from: sad panda on February 06, 2014, 11:27:49 PM
What did you expect? Ya made a promise you couldn't keep. I feel bad for her o.o

That is pretty harsh.

As has already been pointed out there are all kinds of pressures and cultural circumstances that have brought many of us of the same age to a similar place. To say that Paula is being selfish about this is a n oversimplification. It seems fairly obvious that she feels very deeply about her wife and would like nothing more than to not be in this impasse.
Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
Only a phase, these dark cafe days
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Annabelle

Hi Paula :D

It's never too late to be true to yourself and to be happy. There are also many girls who started hrt a lot older than you have and there are threads about them too :3 feel free to flicker through some of them :D

Good luck and all the best :3
Boo~

12-5-2014 start of hrt.
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Paula white

Let's be clear, I really did not want to hurt my wife. I would give anything not to be a transexual, but in the end that is what I am. According to my therapist I have spent my entire existence running and hiding from my true self in constant denial. This has led me to a point where my bottled anxieties have become unbearable. If I had 2 magic pills in front of me now, 1 that transformed me into a stunning beautiful woman, and 1 that left me as I am but cures of my transexuallaity, I would take the cure.

I expect it is difficult for the younger girls on here to understand any of this or get how I ended up in this situation. Have I been deceitful, yes, but the person I have deceived the most is myself.

My therapist gave me this to read;

www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

Apparently I am a classic "G3". I don'texpect those in "G1" to understand or be sympathetic to those in "G3" because we come at our transexualism at different angles.


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emilyking

I just came out this year.  I'm 34.
I waited 20 years, because of my upbringing in a church.
I started having depression after high school, and welcomed death everyday
Eight months ago iI started having trouble staying happy, or if you want to call it happy.
I made the choice to start.

It's etherthis or death.

I scared as hell, but Iam happy, truly happy!
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Satinjoy

OMG the pain in here

My wife doesn't want to see me female either.  She hasn't.  And I wont let her. Ever.  Even though transitioned I have to hide it, and it is an acceptable sacrifice for me.  However, I sleep in a satin nightshirt covering some very wonderful lingerie, and she sees it, and she has felt the boobs but not seen them.  We found a place of common ground and I love her dearly.

On full dose hormones, my love and attraction for her remains deep. She won't have sex (I can't anyway now) because she can't with a woman.  Thats ok at my age, stuff doesn't work well anyway.

However I am not a stage 5 or 6 trans I am stage 4.  I cannot imagine the pain of 5 and 6 married, and when I had the talk I was prepared to live in a studio in a dangerous place, and I was spared this.  It was a terrible night, and 3 terrible months afterwards, but it finally freed me from fear and I got to rid myself of dishonesty.  Now we are even closer than before.

I had expert shrink help and there was much prayer - answered prayer.

Also, you can be Christian and trans.  I have had far too many experiences of Christ since transitioning to believe otherwise.  Watch out for mistranslations in the Bible and see the Christianity posts we can help with that.

Oh you poor girls my heart bleeds for you.  Really.  I broke under the dysphoria at 55.  It was insanity or acceptance.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Paula white

Can you please explain this concept of stage 4, 5 and 6. One assumes there must be a stage 1-3? Where can I find this. Did not know that this could be categorized and or quantified?
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Cindy

There are no stages listed in SOC.


There use to be a Benjamin scale but it is no longer used and considered irrelevant.
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Paula white

Sorry I am confused ( there is an understatement!) about the "SOC" and stages.

I really am having trouble with this. I guess I am emerging from 40+ years of denial so self acceptance is a big difficulty issue. I hate the pain I am causing to the one person I love so dearly.

In my hearts of hearts I know I am transgender, always have been, I kinda knew but ran and ran and ran. The thing is whilst I think I would or could be happier as a female I can not see myself as one. I don't want to be a woman in the sense that somebody wants a Porsche or a new car or shoes. It is if I "need" or " have" to become one in order to aciehve any kind of self worth or fulfilment. To be " happy" whatever that is. I am not sure I even understand happiness anymore or ever have?
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LordKAT

There are no stages. That is simple enough.
SOC stands for Standards of Care. It is a guide line for professionals who care for trans folks.
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Nicolette

I wouldn't worry about being too confused. I'm confused and I transitioned 20 years ago. I've no idea what all these acronyms mean and I honestly believed WPATH was some dos environmental variable. I'm not sure they're that important to know.
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Cindy

Quote from: Paula white on February 07, 2014, 07:28:21 AM
Sorry I am confused ( there is an understatement!) about the "SOC" and stages.

I really am having trouble with this. I guess I am emerging from 40+ years of denial so self acceptance is a big diffusion issue.

In my hearts of hearts I know I am transgender, always have been, I kinda knew but ran and ran and ran. The thing is whilst I think I would or could be happier as a female I can not see myself as one. I don't want to be a woman in the sense that somebody wants a Porsche or a new car or shoes. It is if I "need" or " have" to become one in order to aciehve any kind of self worth or fulfilment. To be " happy" whatever that is. I am not sure I even understand happiness anymore or ever have?


OK, Sorry Honey, so many terms and explanations!

SOC is the Standard of care that is used as guide by psychiatrists and treating professionals to 'standardize' how gender dysphoric people should be treated. Thee is a copy here in  the wiki https://www.susans.org/wiki/Standards_of_Care_for_Gender_Identity_Disorders

Over the years gender dysphoric people have been treated in a variety of ways and at one time categorisation was considered important, it no longer is. The Benjamin scale was one of the old scales that suggested how people should be treated. It is wrong and no longer used professionally.

Modern treatment involves therapy with a gender specialist, often a psychiatrist but varies from place to place. The idea of therapy is to allow you, the client, to define where you want to be in life. People can be MtF, FtM, genderfluid and all sorts of inbetweens. There is no 'right' there is no 'wrong' people with gender dysphoria are a spectra of issues. The idea of therapy is to help us find a place where we can be happy functional humans.

Now on top of this many people 'develop' as they undergo therapy, they may seek additional changes. Some (for example) MtF are content to cross dress and do not wish to go further, they may later. Therapy allows us to do that.

Never be frightened about where you fit. You are unique and beautiful.

Cindy
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Cindy

Quote from: Nicolette on February 07, 2014, 07:39:18 AM
I wouldn't worry about being too confused. I'm confused and I transitioned 20 years ago. I've no idea what all these acronyms mean and I honestly believed WPATH was some dos environmental variable. I'm not sure they're that important to know.

So true!

What may be important is that there are an increasing number of medical professionals who do care.

Yep we get criticized  for being evil gatekeepers and maybe some are, but they are not the professionals who are interested in helping gender dysphoria.
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stephaniec

Is there a level 15, I have a feeling I must be a 15
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Just Shelly

Quote from: Paula white on February 07, 2014, 05:33:56 AM
Let's be clear, I really did not want to hurt my wife. I would give anything not to be a transexual, but in the end that is what I am. According to my therapist I have spent my entire existence running and hiding from my true self in constant denial. This has led me to a point where my bottled anxieties have become unbearable. If I had 2 magic pills in front of me now, 1 that transformed me into a stunning beautiful woman, and 1 that left me as I am but cures of my transexuallaity, I would take the cure.

I expect it is difficult for the younger girls on here to understand any of this or get how I ended up in this situation. Have I been deceitful, yes, but the person I have deceived the most is myself.

My therapist gave me this to read;

www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

Apparently I am a classic "G3". I don'texpect those in "G1" to understand or be sympathetic to those in "G3" because we come at our transexualism at different angles.
This was my same thought for many years....even after taking the one pill that set me free, I still had much guilt I felt for my children.

I whole heartedly believe you love your wife! I do not say what some that are unfamiliar with our situation would say. You may have or possibly will hear some say " if you loved your wife you wouldn't do this to her" That is totally unfair, they do not know how much we struggled not to do this to our loved ones.

What I get so offended of is the ones that transition and forget about reality and that each situation is different. So many will base their decisions on what a therapist says.....yes, a therapist is of great importance and for many including me they are the only one I can tell all my thoughts about and can get some understanding of who I am. But if a therapist told me to jump off a bridge would I ?? For some whatever a therapist or worse whatever is said on forums like this is taken as the gold standard of what should be done.

There is so much support for people on here to fight for their rights, but hardly any for educating others of our circumstances. There are some travesties committed in work situations and most definitely other situations and those times call for defensive action....but does this mean all situations call for the same.

Some on here may give advice to someone coming out at work to stand up for their rights and fight for who they are....nothing bad about this advice....but how is using the proper bathroom or being called your preferred name when legal documents haven't even been changed going to help your life. This is where including your employer in your transition will only do good....even if an employer respects your rights and allows decisions such as these two, why push it if one or two are offended. Does everyone need to see you as a female overnight....or even in a years time!! These people may have worked with you for years.

The one thing everyone that is transitioning needs to know is that people who know you well or especially intimately will not see you for who you are for at least a year....some a little sooner many even later. They can still see that person they knew for so long....it has NOTHING to do with passing, this doesn't mean they don't accept you! but if after even one year your wife, son, or sister call you him and you correct them quickly this is not going to help your situation. Now do the same thing in a work place....and....

Being properly pro-nouned is so much more important than one would think....you will start to cringe when being referred wrong.....but other people do not know how you feel especially within the first year....if their doing it purposely then something is wrong with them!! Some really just don't understand though....this is when you need to educate and not defend.

I had a school counselor refer to me as a he thinking this is what I wanted....even after meeting with her a couple of times. Her reasoning was because I told her I will always be my children's father, there's nothing I can or want to change about that. I told her this early on when I first met with her.....about six months later I receive a letter form another teacher referring to me as Mr Shelly **** I somewhat figured out why since this other teacher was in communication with the counselor. I called this one teacher to find out and she  confirmed what I thought....telling me that the counselor referred to me as him....and she was unsure what to do, I then had a talk with the school counselor and told her that yes, I am my children's father but I do not walk around in life appearing like I do and wanting to be referred to as a "he" ....she now understood!!
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