Therapists and real life training for MtF

[kelly_aus]

things like being forced to out yourself to your entire community to prove that youre a ->-bleeped-<- and get the surgery. thats a brick wall of stupidity. and to me its exactly the kind of thing bible thumping lawmakers would do to ensure that no more 'god hating ->-bleeped-<-gots' ruined the world.

that was my point. i said nothing of biblical references.

While I'm non-op for a variety of reasons, I have my letter for SRS. Public humiliation was never a requirement.. Did I come out to close friends and family? Sure, 3.5 years ago when I started my transition. I sure as hell don't wander around telling my entire community about it. Nor was/am I expected to. All I was required to do was live as myself, Kelly, a woman. Hormones sure helped with that.

[Everly]

im talking about the rlt

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[kelly_aus]

im talking about the rlt

As am I.

I don't understand why people see it as a roadblock. It was just an ogranic part of my transition. Like I said, I wasn't required to do anything other than live as me, which I was doing any way. I see from one of your other posts that you've not started hormones yet and I'm assuming you are not living full time as a woman yet.. All that's really required for the 'rlt' is that you live full time as a woman. It's really not all that hard - and if you are lucky, you can do it in the same 12 months that are recommended for hormones before surgery. I'm going to quote something from my blog, as it sums up my life reasonably well, at least since I started living as a woman full time..

The reality is, I'm a boringly normal lesbian. Yep, really, I said it. That's the truth of it though. I hang out with friends, shop, clean, etc etc. All the normal stuff, even catch up for coffee with my mum on a regular basis.

The only people that get told I'm trans now are those I sleep with.

[Everly]

right. well. congrats and all that. glad its worked out for you.

but. as youve so thoroughly missed my point, and ive learned over the years when a point will be consistently missed, i give up on this discussion


my point to the original poster was dont get discouraged. and find someone who follows the wpath standards and get informed consent. easiest way.

[kelly_aus]

right. well. congrats and all that. glad its worked out for you.

but. as youve so thoroughly missed my point, and ive learned over the years when a point will be consistently missed, i give up on this discussion


my point to the original poster was dont get discouraged. and find someone who follows the wpath standards and get informed consent. easiest way.

Have I really missed your point? Or is it that the point you are attempting to make is fallacious?

You made claims about the RLT that are false.

things like being forced to out yourself to your entire community to prove that youre a ->-bleeped-<- and get the surgery. thats a brick wall of stupidity. and to me its exactly the kind of thing bible thumping lawmakers would do to ensure that no more 'god hating ->-bleeped-<-gots' ruined the world.

that was my point. i said nothing of biblical references.

I've never been forced to out myself to my entire community. In fact, I've never been forced to do anything. I changed my name legally because it was convenient, not required. I think you have a very wrong idea about what the RLT actually requires.

[Everly]

Right. Okay. you tempted me back to say.

i dont care.

you seem to think your experiences are the standard for all others while having no sense of what rlt may actually mean to other people.
thats more irritating than your slight on me regarding what you percieve as my ignorance.

im not making any factual claims and therefore fallacy is impossible ( its an opinion. get it?) i recommended informed consent based on the op's original inquiry.

please. stop arguing with me. because you cant win an argument against any particular opinion by claiming personal experience as established fact.


agree to disagree?

[kelly_aus]

Sure..

But I will make 1 further point.. My therapist follows the WPATH SoC's..

[Everly]

that is fantastic.

now we can move on good talkin with ya.

[Annabelle]

o.o that was a bit heated. But thanks for the support and info girls :3

[Tori]

See what you did?



This forum is pretty peaceful, most of the time.

[kelly_aus]

I didn't do any kind of 'test' to get hormones.. Just saw my therapist the required number of times.. And I've not heard of anyone in Australia who had to do and kind of 'test' prior to hormones..

Just looking back through the previous editions of the WPATH Standards of Care and discovered tne requirement for RLE before hormones was removed in 1980..

[Annabelle]

Yes indeed it is Tori I'm just very happy everyone is so supportive on susans XD

Haha I'm feeling a massive confident boost now >

[Kyra553]

Yes indeed it is Tori I'm just very happy everyone is so supportive on susans XD

Haha I'm feeling a massive confident boost now >

Your in the right place    Your going to have a fun time!

[Allyda]

Personally I disagree with any policy that resembles "Gatekeeping" or even reeks of it. Please remember this is only my 2 cents.

Having said that I agree with Everly. Don't let slight bumps in the road discourage you, and find one that follows the WPATH standards and informed consent. Solves alot of problems.

[stephaniec]

forgive me if I totally don't get this argument. You want to live as the opposite gender, but you don't want to live as the opposite gender. This argument is so totally confusing to me.

[Allyda]

forgive me if I totally don't get this argument. You want to live as the opposite gender, but you don't want to live as the opposite gender. This argument is so totally confusing to me.

As we all know it's easier for some us to pass than it is for others. Me, I've been living full time for the last 5 years long before starting hrt but I am one of the luckier ones in that I have a more femminine body shape & overall looks. I've always looked like a girl/woman. I have trans friends though that aren't so lucky that are 6'+, have huge arms and shoulders,--well, you get the idea. And forcing a person who has a hard time passing before even prescribing hormones is not only downright cruel to that person, it could be dangerous for them depending on where they live.

Having said that, I have no problem with 1 yr of RLE before SRS even though I know in some places it's not required. It's RLE before hormones I have an issue with. Hope that clarifies my opinions. And that is all I'm doing here, expressing my opinions.

[Northern Jane]

....And for the love of the goddess, can we please stop referencing that Benjamin character? Honestly, he did as much harm as good for trans people..

EXCUSE ME!!?? You obviously weren't around in those days! If it  were not for Dr. Benjamin transsexuals would still be diagnosed with a mental disorder, locked up in institutions, subjected to lobotomies and aversion therapy, and have ZERO chance of finding medical support with transition and SRS. Ask me how I know! I was there!

[Jamie D]

You are right Jane, he was one of the pioneers, and made tremendous leaps forward.  As a medical doctor and scientist, I am also sure he would realize and applaud the advancements that have been made since his pioneering work.

You are testament to his foresight and kindness.

[kelly_aus]

And yet he seems to get a free pass on the fact he created the 'gatekeeping' that so many complain about..

I don't deny he did good.. But I can also see the harm resulting from some of his work.