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Started by carrie359, February 06, 2014, 11:35:04 AM

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carrie359

So,
I have been on HRT for about 7 weeks.  My body is really responding to it big time.. seriously.. and I don't understand that.. I though it took longer to see any changes.
My Butt is bigger.. seriously and my thighs too.. My chest has had a general swelling take place and with my weight loss and that staying bigger I almost cant hide the chest in a t shirt if its tight ...My face has changed too.. for the good...

Seems the biggest change has been my personality.. I think I am pretty much the same but my wife disagrees.
My wife says I am not  the same at all... that I don't seem like a guy at all.. even though I look like a guy still.. which hurts.
She says I sit in a more fem way and when around a bunch of family I am not large and in charge anymore.. I like to keep quiet and watch and listen to others..
She says remember how you acted before...and I really don't ...If I try to be manly I crack myself up and laugh at myself now..
I will say in a deep voice "OK I am going to act like a man" and I feel like a girl acting funny.. its so weird..
I do have to admit I feel totally like a woman mentally.
My daughter told my wife Dad has changed. She is 30 and lives out of state and saw me at Christmas.
I think I expected this to be so gradual no one would notice..maybe its just because I just started and I will level off..
I was going to talk to my therapist today but I could not make the appt because of weather.. I am so bummed..
Anyway I like the changes :)
Carrie
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stephaniec

Just curious, does your family accept the fact your doing this, it possibly the reason for the reactions
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carrie359

Wife and Sis only ones so far that know. ... wife accepts it but hopes I will change my mind....which seems unlikely..
Carrie
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Beth Andrea

They have no reason to lie, so take them at their word.

Changes can happen either slowly, or with relatively great speed.

"A watched pot never boils"...turn your back on it though, and it whistles pretty quickly.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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carrie359

Thanks Beth,
We have a big event to go to next week together.. with a lot of family and others..  My wife will probably give me a pep talk ahead of time and tell me not to have more than two drinks..seems the girl gets a little loose.. after a couple.
Carrie


Quote from: Beth Andrea on February 06, 2014, 01:09:12 PM
They have no reason to lie, so take them at their word.

Changes can happen either slowly, or with relatively great speed.

"A watched pot never boils"...turn your back on it though, and it whistles pretty quickly.
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Sydney_NYC

My wife is very accepting (she is bi, but that doesn't help). At first she was hoping that I would change my mind even though all the signs of me being transgender were there. (We have a few transgender friends, both MtF and FtM.) She had even been asked by one of my transgender friends if I was trans 6 years ago. (Needless to say, she wasn't surprised one bit when I came out.)

Anyway, the one thing that did it for my wife to finally accept that I was NOT going to change my mind was when she came with me to my 2nd electrolysis appointment. When she witnessed what I was going through for hair removal (she also came to my first laser session), that opened up her eyes. She told me that witnessing me enduring that much pain, that she finally knew I was really serious about this and there was probably no way I would ever change my mind. This realization began the stage of her totally accepting everything.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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helen2010

Quote from: carrie359 on February 06, 2014, 11:35:04 AM

Seems the biggest change has been my personality.. I think I am pretty much the same but my wife disagrees.

Anyway I like the changes :)
Carrie
Carrie

Similar reaction to HRT and it accelerates.  My wife also says my personality has been the biggest change.  She says she likes me more, that I am not as uptight, stressed or quick to argue as I was pre HRT.  I like the changes and it goes a lot deeper for me in terms of now enjoying much greater emotional depth and connection.  I also now prefer the company of women over men and am less interested in catching up with many of my male friends.  I never imagined that I could feel this good about myself and about life in general.   It is a whole new experience. 
On the other hand while I am comfortable with the physical changes my wife is still uncomfortable so I have been trying to make this less confronting for her but suspect this is going to be a real challenge.

Aisla
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carrie359

Sydney and Aisia,
My wife actually admitted this morning that she has not gone to therapy with the hope I would change my mind..she is holding on to that so hard and I could light up her world if I could change my mind.. I sure wish I could.. we love each other so much and the pain she feels is so hard to bare.
She won't kiss me on the lips anymore because she says my face has changed and my lips are like a girls lips.. just too soft.. says my face is like a adolescent because its so soft.. Yep I am lucky HRT has been good to me after only 7 weeks.  Seems my body really likes it for some reason and I hope that continues.
She also would not have sex if I wanted to.  She is straight and is not attracted to me anymore.. she misses the masculine guy I used to be.

I was at a party yesterday.. a baby party and I can tell you it was weird. I react different to men and women now.. Men seem a lot more like men.  And I really can relate to the girls but just as it was in grade school I am still an outsider presenting male and feeling outcast..
Its like I am in between...the sexes.. not male but not yet female..
We have another big thing to go to in March... and I just don't want to go because I just don't know how to act right now.. its wonderful because I feel so female but presenting male seems awkward now.
Carrie
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helen2010

Carrie
The physical withdrawal really hurts.  I want to tell her that I am the same person but I am not.  My feelings for her have not changed but her feelings towards me have changed.   It is partially the result of my physical changes but she is also guarding against deep hurt as she says she will leave if I decide to fully transition
Aisla
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Sydney_NYC

Carrie,

I probably could have written the exact same thing you just posted. I started HRT about 2 months ago. My wife also didn't want to kiss on the lips or have sex. (Ironically, our sex life has always been more lesbian like with very little PIV sex.) She didn't want to have any expectations and disappoint. Eventually after a few weeks she started to kiss me on the lips again. When she finally realized I was going through with this that's when things started going crazy. Even though she has attractions towards women, (she's never had sex with a woman, but has kissed and received sexual stimulation from a woman through BDSM, we are a kinky couple as well in the BDSM scene) she says that she isn't attracted to me as female, at least not yet. There are times when she does, but she gets in denial about it. (More about that below)

Anyway, later she would get mad and say that I kissed her on the lips blaming me for initiating the kiss. From that point on I pointed it out when she kissed me on the lips and she started to realize that she was initiating kissing on the lips. Then one morning, 3 weeks after starting HRT, she initiated sex and and we were both very happy for a few days. She never blamed me for crossing any boundaries when this happened. A week later she started with not wanting to have sex again. (Signs of denial because even though she is bisexual, she has never been out with her parents who live in TN and although not religious, are conservative.)

Things started getting better again and then we decided it was time to tell her parents I was transgender. (All of my immediate family and our close friends already knew.) So we told them together over the phone and at first they seem to take it well. However the next day her father started talking to my wife about how I was forcing her to become a lesbian and was mad at me. He even sent me an email saying that I shouldn't force her to stay as the person we knew by (<my male name>) would not do this. I responded politely and set things straight (no pun intended) that I wasn't forcing her to do anything and that I love her so much, that I would rather see her leave me to be happy than to stay with me and be miserable. That did keep him from continuing with his logic and he even apologized to me. However, every time my wife talks to her parents, she gets upset because they feel she needs to be "rescued". This is getting better now over time and I'm a little upset that my wife hasn't fully come out to them as bisexual or of having an experience with a woman before and liked it. She has only hinted by saying that she has found women attractive in the past. Of course I'm not going to out her, but I feel she needs to correct this.

Anywho, back to your wife. I would say, that many of her issues have to do with outside influences. One thing is for sure, if society wasn't so ignorant and was more open minded about things, it would make transitioning so much easier. Most of the problems in our relationship dealing with transitioning are problems created by outside influences such as my wife's parents and some of her friends.

This morning we were talking about her friends. Some of her friends think that my wife should be angry for me transitioning. My wife is not angry about it and understands why I'm transitioning. She is hurt by it, and realizes that it's something I need to do for myself, but she is not mad at me. Now she is starting to realize that she is better off not listening to some of these people and tell them she is fine and to leave it alone. Fortunately she does have many friends who understand both sides of the equation and those are the ones you want to keep and talk to. Once your wife starts to realize these things, I think that will help. It's not easy and it takes a lot of time and patients and there will be arguments. However, as long as everyone is civilized and have constructive conversations with great communication you can get through this and determine the best course of action between you and your wife.

-Sydney
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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carrie359

Aisla,
Same here.. she said she is trying to get used to the idea of not being intimate.. and I understand that..
The HRT has made me need her in a different way.. I am not as sexual at all but want contact.. so getting I suppose what I have always wanted.
Ugh! Its so confusing sometimes,
Carrie
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carrie359

Sydney,
My wife and I have always been so close we have pretty much not had a lot of close friends.. we have always just done our own  thing raising the kids and working hard.
She does not have anyone to talk to..she is alone in this and its really hurting her.. We did find a therapist for her to go to and talk.
She wishes I had transitioned 20 years ago.. when I almost did it but stopped before HRT...had young kids at the time and just wanted to wait... I pretended to get cured with help of repairative therapy at a church.. I actually really tried though.. but it did not work..
I just hate hurting the one I love so much and have actually thought of suicide more than once.. to keep from transitioning...but I am too chicken to do it..thankfully..
Carrie



Quote from: carrie359 on February 09, 2014, 01:09:39 PM
Aisla,
Same here.. she said she is trying to get used to the idea of not being intimate.. and I understand that..
The HRT has made me need her in a different way.. I am not as sexual at all but want contact.. so getting I suppose what I have always wanted.
Ugh! Its so confusing sometimes,
Carrie
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Sydney_NYC

Carrie,

It's pretty obvious that she knows that you need this. It does hurt regardless and there is nothing that can be done about it except to give it time. She should talk to someone with an open mind. It's great that she can talk to you, but she needs another outlet since she is frustrated at the situation and sees you as the cause. Even though it's not your fault, everyone one of us that transitions has decided to make a choice. To live as our true selves and not live a lie pretending to be someone we are not.

If you do decide to stay together, just make sure you are both happy with that decision. It's even possible that you stay together in a asexual, but still loving, caring and even romantic relationship. Many couples have done this (transgender or not). It's not that much different that if you were not transgender, and you were in a car accident that crushed your genitals and you could no longer have sex. Would your wife leave you then? (Probably not.) Of course changing ones gender is a step beyond that example, but it's an interesting comparison that puts things in perspective.

One other thing is that even though it sucks that your actions are hurting her, it's a lot better than the alternative. Hurting her is a result of a decision that you have to make to stop hurting yourself after all of these years. It's not selfish, but it is looking out for you best interests. Some people (like my father, my only family member who is against me transitioning and thankfully has been divorced from my mother for 28 years) will say that your decision is self-serving or selfish. (That is what he told me and to stay in the closet even though he admits I was born this way.) Don't believe it, because you changing your mind about HRT 20 years ago proves that you did think of others. A selfish person would not have done that.

-Sydney
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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