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Started by Stella Stanhope, February 07, 2014, 09:59:41 AM

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Stella Stanhope

Hi there everyone!  :)
Anyone else identify or have experience with the following?


Having a really difficult time deciding whether or not to permanently remove one's beard?

I've been shaving off my beard, and all stubble (including trace of side-burns) since late 2010. My presentation is feminine androgynous, the vast majority of time. I'm currently at the "weird" stage I guess, whereby my presentation is now reached pronounced feminine whilst my features are now pronounced masculine. I just about get away with it due to my very slight build, and long hair, but this androgynous concession isn't going to be granted to me forever.

My issue is this - I love looking androgynous and (when I can) enjoy looking female. I feel younger, happier, with more energy and I feel I am a stronger, less agitated person when I look female or feminine androgynous. I feel more at ease with myself, and confident. The feeling is that something positive and powerful is emanating from within me.

However, on the odd recent occasions when I've had to let my facial hair grow, I've had the confusing experience of feeling comforted by the stubble, and turned-on by the feel of my facial stubble and the fact I think that this manliness is sexy. And yet, at the same time, I also feel more agitated about having the facial hair, plus my reflection depresses me. I have this huge mental inclination to shave off all facial hair, and yet I also experience another feeling (seems to emanate from my body) which is I feel the need to keep it.

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Ultimately, it seems that my facial hair feels right for my body, and it feels good. But for my brain and/or identity it feels confusing and increasingly out-of-character with my identity. This is exactly the same conflict of interests that I feel when it comes to my sex drive - having sex with girls feels physically amazing, and yet feeling like the girl myself feels mentally amazing. However, both feel right in their own way. Two incompatible identities running side by side each needing the opposite of what the other needs.

This week I kept my facial hair for three days, and by the third day - I REALLY wanted rid of it, as I felt I was being buried by the masculinity. But yet at the same time, I found it quite sexy to have facial stubble. Anywho, I decided to shave it all off, anyway. I felt much more feminine and happier, but..... grrrrrr..... I feel my body hates being clean shaven, (and knows I'd stand a better chance of getting a gf with some facial foliage about my person). My body wants to be a beast, but I don't. I feel I am the driver of an increasingly powerful futuristic racing car which I am supposed to be part of, however, despite how much I love the feelings of power of being in-sort-of-control of it, I don't feel entirely comfortable driving this vehicle.

I need to know how to come to terms with removing permanently, how to deal with the sadness of having to do it. My facial hair also reminds me of my dad, and I adore my dad as we are very close and we have a deep respect for each other. Removing my facial hair feels like it would be removing traces of my dad, like its an extermination of the physical traits of one of my parents. This feeling really hurts, and I think my dad would also see it as my denying his heritage, too, if I were to remove the facial hair.

I feel that my internal identity is subject (and kept captive) by so many ties to the physical world that I inhabit, that its impossible to bring my identity into physical being, without suffering massive losses in the process. So, I'm at a loss as to whether to remove it permanently or continue to wax and close-shave it for the rest of my life, to minimise the feelings of loss and guilt.   

Any ideas ladies and gents?
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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Natkat

not sure if I can relate but I will writte my response.

I do get in confussion as I kinda both like my body hair. (like on my legs or armpit)
at the same time I want to be hairless. I think it more sexy to be hairless but I feel better as myself when I have some hair (+ the fact im super lazy to shave)
I am more or less a hairless person, so I generally just trim and let it grow for the rest is abit my in between solution.
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I need to know how to come to terms with removing permanently, how to deal with the sadness of having to do it.

I think if you think of it as "you have to do it" then you shouldn't do it.
it not something you Have to, it something you can do if that makes you feel better but it shouldn't be a demand. there many cool people, men or women, with awsome beards as well as people without.






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amZo

This question will likely weigh on your mind until you get rid of it.

So, enjoy it while it lasts...  ;)

Clearing your face certainly makes your girl experiences MUCH better. But you don't want to regret losing your guy face. A few laser sessions won't likely get rid of much permanently, but you might be able to get a temporary feel for how a cleared face might feel.
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Rachel

What is important is how you feel. Perhaps in a while you will resolve the conflict or maybe you will not. Either way presently it sounds to be fluid. So I would go with fluid and when and if your feelings change then adjust accordingly.

I hate hair except on my head. So for me it is easy so one would think. I need to resolve a conflict before I treat my hair.

I do no know which is worse, being fluid on what to do or knowing what you want but it is just a little out of reach.
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Stella Stanhope

Thank you for the responses.

I've just been out clubbing, so am a little bit intoxicated. And I can say that I do hate being a man. I feel redundant, disenfranchised, irrelevant and ridiculous. But i fancy girls with a passion, and they only fancy me as long as I stick to being a guy that conforms to the norms. Well, ->-bleeped-<- 'em. No girl is worth going bald and staying a guy over. Sex drive will pass, but identity is forever.
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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amZo

Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on February 07, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
Thank you for the responses.

I've just been out clubbing, so am a little bit intoxicated. And I can say that I do hate being a man. I feel redundant, disenfranchised, irrelevant and ridiculous. But i fancy girls with a passion, and they only fancy me as long as I stick to being a guy that conforms to the norms. Well, <not allowed> 'em. No girl is worth going bald and staying a guy over. Sex drive will pass, but identity is forever.

So, is that you in your avatar? Is so, I don't think women are interested in your facial hair dear. You're what we call in Texas.... a Real Cutie Pie!!   :D
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TerriT

First thing I did was laser. At the bare minimum I had to get rid of it. Everything from the waist up and never regretted it.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on February 07, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
Thank you for the responses.

I've just been out clubbing, so am a little bit intoxicated. And I can say that I do hate being a man. I feel redundant, disenfranchised, irrelevant and ridiculous. But i fancy girls with a passion, and they only fancy me as long as I stick to being a guy that conforms to the norms. Well, ->-bleeped-<- 'em. No girl is worth going bald and staying a guy over. Sex drive will pass, but identity is forever.

Stop going to straight clubs.. If the women aren't interested, you're in the wrong place. I don't have too much trouble attracting women..
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Christine Eryn

The only reason I grew my facial hair and "styled" it in goatee fashion with sideburns was to prove how "macho" I was when I was younger. Now, every single penny and hour I spend on electrolysis is absolutely worth it. The emotional pain of having it is far greater than the physical pain of removing it.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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Carol2000

I don't wish to appear flippant about your dilemma, but I think you're saying you like having facial hair because you feel better about yourself due to the ability to attract women by looking more guy-like. I think perhaps the problem is going to straight clubs if you are attracted to women.

Would it not be a good idea to go to mixed gay clubs and attract women there? If that's you in your avatar you'll be fighting the gay girls off with a stick. From my experience, not many lesbians like their partner to have beard growth. I could be wrong of course.
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Stella Stanhope

Oh fudge sticks! I feel like a total idiot for making a drunken post *takes a bow* I did indeed sound like a whiny drama llama, haha!

I had just returned from a club, I'm a complete lightweight when it comes to alcohol, as I'm tiny and I don't drink often, so it takes only a couple of JD and cokes and I'm jumping up and down on the dancefloor like a six-year old. And last night I also felt a bit rubbish. Anywho, yes! Tis very true, and in fact, some well-known gay clubs are increasingly being frequented by straight guys and girls (so I hear) as the atmosphere often tends to be more chilled, as there can be less alpha males posturing/kicking-off and less alpha females egging them on or generally being obnoxious themselves. Alternative clubs tends to be good too. So yes Caroline and Trans-Rebel, I think its time to stop going to mainstream straight clubs as I just feel redundant and irrelevant. I live in a tiny town and the people all my own age are now settling down and embracing conformity "Hip to be Square" style, so its really difficult to find friends willing to go anywhere interesting now apart from the mainstream places nearby.

As back to bears again :p My sexuality seems to be an endless feedback of loop of exploitation. My male-sex drive exploits my inner-femininity by getting excited when I see myself wearing something pretty, my attraction to women makes me exploit my body by maximising the facial hair and my muscles in order to attract women (who are usually turn-out to be 100% straight), and my need to feel female sexually makes me want male (and female) attention, but I feel too awkward to act upon that interest, so I don't reciprocate their advances (and I feel bad about this as it feels like I'm not being fair).

Its getting very complicated now, needs rationalising! I find having a sex-drive to be very rewarding, but right now, I'm too confused and scared about how I make it work for me. Its also easier and less convoluted to just date straight-girls, than to risk dating guys as a girl, and I doubt lesbians would see much physical female about me in order to want to date me.

Nikko - haha! Thanks...I guess that was a compliment? I have cute proportioned face as I have big eyes, I guess? In the low-light of a club I can pass as a girl, sort of. It causes problems when using the men's toilets, sometimes. My brow-bossing and Adam's apple usually lets everyone know though, which sometimes is a relief & makes me feel less in danger, and sometimes makes me feel really sad.

So Christine, did you, at the time, actually enjoy (or genuinely believed you enjoyed) having a goatee? Or was it completely maintained against your inner-will and judgement? 

There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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amZo

QuoteNikko - haha! Thanks...I guess that was a compliment? I have cute proportioned face as I have big eyes, I guess? In the low-light of a club I can pass as a girl, sort of. It causes problems when using the men's toilets, sometimes. My brow-bossing and Adam's apple usually lets everyone know though, which sometimes is a relief & makes me feel less in danger, and sometimes makes me feel really sad.

:D

Yes cutie pie, it was a compliment.  :)

(well, it's what my Grandmother use to call me, so it better be!  ;))
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Christine Eryn

Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on February 08, 2014, 09:59:23 PM
So Christine, did you, at the time, actually enjoy (or genuinely believed you enjoyed) having a goatee? Or was it completely maintained against your inner-will and judgement?

It was in my "era of denial" in my early 20s, and one of those things that I did to overcompensate to project a sense of "manliness" to society. I thought it would help me free myself from my transgendered way of thinking. It never did, and in fact, I didn't enjoy it at all.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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