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Be Cognizant of the Importance - Feminine Movement & Mannersims.

Started by rhonda13000, July 12, 2007, 07:19:38 PM

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rhonda13000

I am no expert [yet] on this subject, but I just wanted to stress the importance of this facet of transition.

I myself am constantly aware of it and constantly strive to integrate, adapt and improve the same.

I had occasion to watch and observe a number of women and the lack of these [to me] crucial attributes was somewhat staggering.

I am not at all saying this to be pejorative nor mean; I am simply relating a dispassionate 'clinical' observation out of love and concern for you.

I do not want to see any of us fail.

On the amusing side however, I have to laugh at how many GG women move and present. Observing such either brings me to smiles and actual laughter, or just shaking my head  ::).

Some GGs could use femininity coaching.  ::) :laugh:
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melissa90299

Sometimes Transwomen out themselves by their forced movements, in fact, I see it a lot. Less is more in this case.
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rhonda13000

Quote from: melissa90299 on July 12, 2007, 10:54:10 PM
Sometimes Transwomen out themselves by their forced movements, in fact, I see it a lot. Less is more in this case.

Very true.

It must flow naturally and comfortably and not appear to be forced.

And definitely not exaggerated nor 'overdone'.
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Ms.Behavin

As a friend of mine noted the other day, I need more help for when I fall out of  being me, regress, etc.  When I'm just me here and now, it's easy.  I have found that at curtain times, locations or persons/ friends near, etc, that I regress a bit, that I really need to work on.  Yes it should be smooth and natural

Beni
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rhonda13000

Quote from: Beni on July 13, 2007, 01:06:34 AM
As a friend of mine noted the other day, I need more help for when I fall out of  being me, regress, etc.  When I'm just me here and now, it's easy.  I have found that at curtain times, locations or persons/ friends near, etc, that I regress a bit, that I really need to work on.  Yes it should be smooth and natural

Beni

It's really tough when one is extremely tired, sad or livid I've noticed.

What you said about reversion in certain settings is echoed; I have noticed the effect.  >:(
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melissa90299

I am a trained method actor, we are taught never to mimic outward movement because it doesn't ring true. And that is the basic error most TGs commit.
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Kimberly

Quote from: Rhonda on July 13, 2007, 04:32:10 AM
It's really tough when one is extremely tired, sad or livid I've noticed.

What you said about reversion in certain settings is echoed; I have noticed the effect.  >:(

A thought as to why...

Rerunning existing, prewritten erm, game plans. I.e. you, I, are distracted in such conditions so we fall back on less maintenance versions of actions; I.e. the tried and true proven actions for the given situation. Or at least this is what came to mind from where I sit..

Still, with me; Um, sad... I would say my behavior is basically the same; Hide from everyone. Such has served me well in the past and it does seem natural to me. ... I do NOT like to be seen crying or upset. Perhaps it is a throwback to male training, perhaps not.

Extremely tired... hrm, like I am now, *shrug* same ole same ole. Slightly loopy little girl. Pretty decently grown up, quiet so as not to make a fool of myself and .. *shrug* asleep on my feet ;) Fun stuff.


Livid... TOTALLY changed; But for me, anger was kind of a stop gap... um, I guess I should do something, lets act mad I guess. ... Now it is a case of .... *shrug* being mad is of such little use...



I.e. Anger was the most confusing part of my previous state. I knew what I was doing, but I was ignoring the why; I didn't really like the results; I did not like what I was doing but I was at a loss of what else to do. *shrug* Guys gotta be mocho and stuff like that. Heh, me, natural, .... I have so little need of anger. ... no, instead of anger I have sadness.

So anyway, tis an interesting change in that regard.



Erm, *gulp*(!) to not uh, derail the topic... no no not me...

I agree that less is more; A forced act, doubt and.. nervousness is usually quite easy to detect, I think.

On this thought I based how I started out; Totally in my comfort zone, and it worked just fine all but one time out when I managed to draw quite a few looks; Normally... *shrug* I don't exist more than a casual observation. My confidence is such that, "yeah I am trans, deal." ... not that words are ever spoken, but that is my attitude; I am me, if you find me interesting, well good for you because well, to be redundant, I am me. An I am not hiding a damn thing.

Now, this said, I have only noticed being read twice, and to be blunt I do not think I am THAT passable; But I do behave as if I belong, and very much "yeah? so?" Not that I am ever rude, lol. I am not sure I have a rude bone in my body; I always say please and thank you and so on and so forth; I always have. I.e. I am pretty decent at not giving anyone any reason to be bothered; Meh, in theory anyway. ... Of course, I never travel alone either. Um, yeah, trust isn't something I do and, yes, I am just slightly paranoid ;P But hay, it works. So all things factored in; DON'T ACT! Just be you, natural. Perhaps they see you as you wish to be seen and perhaps not; Regardless never is there any reason to be grumpy; We are, after all just doing our best to be natural. ... What so many already take for granted because they are so oblivious to our struggles. But anyway, be yourself in your comfort zone and you can't go wrong; I think anyway. Or so Kimbecca thinks at the moment ;)


Sand in the wind; Coppers for the wishing well and crumbs of the cake! ;)
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louise000

I don't have to force it, feminine hand movements and body language seem to come naturally to me.  However, I do have to keep myself in check when I'm in my male clothes or I just look to others like an effeminate man and quite ridiculous. Oh, this double life I am leading.......
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Rachael

Quote from: Rhonda on July 12, 2007, 07:19:38 PM
I am no expert [yet] on this subject, but I just wanted to stress the importance of this facet of transition.

I myself am constantly aware of it and constantly strive to integrate, adapt and improve the same.

I had occasion to watch and observe a number of women and the lack of these [to me] crucial attributes was somewhat staggering.

I am not at all saying this to be pejorative nor mean; I am simply relating a dispassionate 'clinical' observation out of love and concern for you.

I do not want to see any of us fail.

On the amusing side however, I have to laugh at how many GG women move and present. Observing such either brings me to smiles and actual laughter, or just shaking my head  ::).

Some GGs could use femininity coaching.  ::) :laugh:

thats a lolocaust

seriously, Natal females dont NEED to use feminine manerisms, they have inbuilt and aquired buildups of certain key manerisms
imagine it like a body, theres a core skeleton of manerisms that all women share, all have skin, which we can say is outwardly obvious things, there is varying layers of fat, which are lets say, levels of femininity, a woman can be manerismally female, but have male manerisms still,
point is, unless your an obvious transexual, mannerism perfection is outing... MOST natal females or males have traits of the other gender, its the 'masculine or feminine' side. women can easily express it more. would you say a gay man cant pass as a man because he has feminine manerisms? nope.

natal females needing femininity coaching is a joke...?

i have some masculine traits, its what makes me me, and i pass flawlessly with them. its the mix that makes us human, nobodys perfect at the end of the day.
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