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Started by Thundra, July 14, 2007, 02:07:29 PM

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Have you ever tried to commit suicide?

once
8 (15.1%)
twice
3 (5.7%)
thrice
5 (9.4%)
never felt the need
6 (11.3%)
I know someone that did not make it
4 (7.5%)
Considered it many times
13 (24.5%)
Planned out to the nth detail
10 (18.9%)
Turned back at the edge
4 (7.5%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Shana A

Didn't try, however certainly considered it a number of times. I couldn't do it due to the pain it would cause others and the realization that I what I really needed to do was change my life in some way.

I also had a friend who left earthly plane in that manner.

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Elizabeth

Only once where I really thought I was going to be dead. There were two other times where I really wanted to. Once I took no action farther than walking up to the freeway where I was strongly considering throwing myself in front of a tractor trailer. I lost my nerve. Another time I was going to take about 180 ultram's I had ground up, but my son talked me out of taking it.



Quote from: Cindi Jones on July 15, 2007, 01:20:04 PM
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For me, personally, once I had resolved my issues and could see my life moving forward and could visualize my life as a female, the feelings for suicide subsided.  I rarely think of it now.  Depression is a very difficult thing to fight for the duration of my life.  I recognize it as something that I have .... like a cold ... and that any feelings I have will pass.  They do and I move on.
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Cindi

That is what happened to me also. Once I realized that I could live my life as a woman. The sky would not fall in, it changed how I felt about being here. Now that I always have the option of killing myself, in that I know I can do it. It allows me to live my life for me. I don't have to care what anyone else thinks but me. Instead of retreating and dying, instead I am going to do exactly what I want, until someone stops me.

So far, not only has no one tried to stop me, people actually admire how I live my life. We are all just people, no one has more of a right to be here than me. Their wants, needs and desires do not trump mine. So I have no need or desire to bow down to society. Instead I make society accommodate me. I go where I please and I do as I please, within the limits of the law of course. That is why it's so important to me to live in a state that protects my rights as a transsexual person. My hat is off to those of you who live in states where you are not protected. I am sure it changes the discussion about passing from something one might like to do, to something one must do.

I don't have to worry about being evicted or being asked to leave a restaurant. We have enhanced penalties for those who assault or even threaten transgendered people, as well as recourse through the civil courts. My exwife was shocked to find out that my transsexual status would not be considered in determining my ability to care for my children. She was flat out told it would not be a topic of discussion. That is serious protection and made a huge difference. The difference between me getting two of my kids who wanted to stay with me, versus her getting all the kids, me having my parental rights terminated and no visitation, which is what would have happened had I allowed her to take the kids to Tennessee, where she is from.

Like Cindy, once I got to the point where I realized that I could live my life as a woman, the idea of killing myself just faded away.

Love always,
Elizabeth

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Jessica

I picked 'planned it out to the nth detail'

Jessica
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Kate

Quote from: Elizabeth on July 15, 2007, 09:47:30 PM
Now that I always have the option of killing myself, in that I know I can do it. It allows me to live my life for me.

As morbid as it sounds, I owe my life to death. It was only when I realized that unless I do something about this SOON, I was going to die without ever living one day as a female.

I just could NOT deal with that. That'd be just too tragic, my life would have been utterly pointless then. THIS is my challenge for this life, my fate, my destiny, and I'm going to pursue it to the end.

And being able to honestly say... not pouting, not being melodramatic or bitter or fishing for sympthy... but honestly know I'd end it all if I couldn't pull this off gave me the power to TRY. What do I have to lose?

Whenever I think, "I can't do this!" I remember my death is waiting for me someday, and I think of a scene in "V for Vendetta" when Evey is reborn...

V: Listen to me, Evey. This may be the most important moment of your life. Commit to it. They took your parents from you. They took your brother from you. They put you in a cell and took everything they could take except your life. And you believed that was all there was, didn't you? The only thing you had left was your life, but it wasn't, was it? You found something else. In that cell you found something that mattered more to you than life. It was when they threatened to kill you unless you gave them what they wanted... you told them you'd rather die. You faced your death, Evey. You were calm. You were still. Try to feel now what you felt then...

~Kate~
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gothique11

I was unsuccessful. I died for a bit, which was pretty peaceful.  I also used to be a cutter. You can still see the scars on my arm. Now, of course, I don't consider doing that or killing myself.
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mavieenrose

Quote from: Kate on July 16, 2007, 11:13:01 AM
Quote from: Elizabeth on July 15, 2007, 09:47:30 PM
Now that I always have the option of killing myself, in that I know I can do it. It allows me to live my life for me.

As morbid as it sounds, I owe my life to death. It was only when I realized that unless I do something about this SOON, I was going to die without ever living one day as a female.

I just could NOT deal with that. That'd be just too tragic, my life would have been utterly pointless then. THIS is my challenge for this life, my fate, my destiny, and I'm going to pursue it to the end.

And being able to honestly say... not pouting, not being melodramatic or bitter or fishing for sympthy... but honestly know I'd end it all if I couldn't pull this off gave me the power to TRY. What do I have to lose?

Yep I can totally relate to this, I remember being in my bedroom one day desperately trying to work out what choices I had. 

I worked out I had 3 options:
1) Live my life as a male      >  No, impossible!
2) Kill myself                     >  But why do this straight away when I could always do this in the end if nothing else worked...?!
3) Change                       >  Well, the rest is history :)

MVER XXX
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almost,angie

  Not too much direct suicide but more adreneline junky life threatining situations. I`ve cut arteries, taken lots of pills, and od on H.
 
   I`m not too sure if this is suicidal but I paddle out to tiger country (sharks) then I throw chum to bring them up. when I see them i get off the board and dive with them. I know that I could be bit by accident but I really don`t want to go back to land. I want manu to take me. I feel like I`m living not dieing when I do this and if They never take me I will study why after school as an aquatic vet. Now thats living!

Angie,
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Christine Eryn

Like I mentioned in another post, I've considered it many times. I will pretty much not have an open casket service, if anyone finds me that is. However, I making progress towards makins sure that does not happen.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Christine Eryn on July 17, 2007, 12:36:58 AM
Like I mentioned in another post, I've considered it many times. I will pretty much not have an open casket service, if anyone finds me that is. However, I making progress towards makins sure that does not happen.

Good for you, Christine.  We don't need more casualties.

Take care of yourself.


Rebis
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Suzy

This topic seems to really be hot with us.  Unfortunately!

I am not proud of my past, but the answer is yes.  I've been there.  Several times.  And I've stood over the grave of a friend who "succeeded" and was so envious.  She had succeeded, when I realized that, in all honesty, I was probably too much of a chicken to do what I truly wanted to do.  Last year I had a serious illness which almost took my life and I was so angry that it wasn't just a tiny bit worse.  That's all it would have taken.   And I still fight the recurring thought that my family and friends would be a lot better off without me dragging them through this.  There is too much at stake for too many people.

  Kristi
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rhonda13000

Quote from: Kristi on July 17, 2007, 09:23:47 AM
This topic seems to really be hot with us.  Unfortunately!

I am not proud of my past, but the answer is yes.  I've been there.  Several times.  And I've stood over the grave of a friend who "succeeded" and was so envious.  She had succeeded, when I realized that, in all honesty, I was probably too much of a chicken to do what I truly wanted to do.  Last year I had a serious illness which almost took my life and I was so angry that it wasn't just a tiny bit worse.  That's all it would have taken.   And I still fight the recurring thought that my family and friends would be a lot better off without me dragging them through this.  There is too much at stake for too many people.

  Kristi

Listening to some profoundly beautiful Native American ambient music......cedar flute.......

drifting..............'envious'

so many times at the precipice.....the grass there is well worn by my feet.......

and they claim or want to believe that the desire to execute the action is indicative solely of an egregious cognitive, emotional or........character anomaly.........

not so.

the girl knows, she does......

and the criminal naivete of the professions relative to the realities of our....pain and its causation

is nothing short of appalling.

thats deep stuff, that music....

and then it is wondered why i possess such a jaundiced perception of these

"jaded to the extreme"
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Thundra

Unfortunately, suicide remains a key option for many people throughout the world. We all have the right to complain and get mired in our fears and our pain, but often when we compare ourselves to people in worse straits than ourselves, we back off and realize that things aren't as bad as they seem at that moment in time.

I have reached the conclusion that things are never as good as they seem, nor as bad as they seem in any given moment. That gives one some breathing room to contemplate things with a bit more rationality, a bit more perspective.

When I think of someone that leaves by their own hand, of their own free will, I wonder if they are disappointed at that place that they go to. I wonder if they are disappointed that they could not stay a little longer, just to see how things might have turned out differently if given a little more time. Time heals many things: wounds, relationships, and on and on.

My personal belief is that we agree to a given situation before we come here into these lives. My belief is that when someone leaves early, it means that perhaps they agreed to something that they could not deal with at that moment. And it gives me hope, that at some point they will try again and succeed. Not wanting to repeat a life lesson is what has kept me here many times. I know that I have left early in previous lives by my own will. In this life, so far, I choose not to.

I am saddened when someone leaves early, for them and myself. But I know they will be back.
And if I was in their life, I will see them again.  I will see them again.
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Jessica

QuoteMy personal belief is that we agree to a given situation before we come here into these lives. My belief is that when someone leaves early, it means that perhaps they agreed to something that they could not deal with at that moment. And it gives me hope, that at some point they will try again and succeed. Not wanting to repeat a life lesson is what has kept me here many times. I know that I have left early in previous lives by my own will. In this life, so far, I choose not to.

I am saddened when someone leaves early, for them and myself. But I know they will be back.
And if I was in their life, I will see them again.  I will see them again.

Thundra, that was beautiful.

Thank You,
Jessica
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Christine Eryn

Quote from: Rebis on July 17, 2007, 08:43:00 AM
Quote from: Christine Eryn on July 17, 2007, 12:36:58 AM
Like I mentioned in another post, I've considered it many times. I will pretty much not have an open casket service, if anyone finds me that is. However, I making progress towards makins sure that does not happen.

Good for you, Christine.  We don't need more casualties.

Take care of yourself.


Rebis

Thanks. I figure, I've made it 30+ years, a few years more, and I might reach my goal. Yet, there's those times and situations where I say to myself, ya know, it's just not worth fighting anymore. But then again, I tell people to lift themselves up and there will be "another sunrise" when they need help or are depressed, I cannot be a hypocrite to myself.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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Manyfaces

For much of my life, from the time I was a small child, I wanted to die much more than I wanted to live.  My father committed suicide when I was nine years old, and my family in general was a disastrous maelstrom of abuse and dysfunction.  I was a cutter, too, and went through a period of drinking myself into unconsciousness to escape the pain, and various other self-destructive coping strategies. 

Once I had my children, though, no matter how much I wanted to die, I knew I could never do to them what my father had done to me, and that was what finally drove me into therapy, when my kids were about three and four and I was completely losing it.  If it had not been for my children and my long-suffering and very dedicated therapist (13+ years!) I would not be here now. 

I'm happy to say that for the last few years of my life--my kids are 21 and 22 now, and I'm 51--I am firmly anchored to earth and committed to life, happy to be here, and immensely grateful for the forces that conspired to keep me around until I started to want to stay, took root and started, finally, to grow and bloom.  I can say, with all my heart, I'm really glad I didn't ever do it.  I would have missed so much.
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GQPAT

There was only a brief time once back when i was like 13 or 14 that I actually seriously entertained the idea!  actually I stood up on the icy/snowy balcony of a 5 story building and almost jumped but good thing I didnt!

More related to my gender dysphoria is my substance abuse!  A few years ago I was drinking to the point of blacking/passing out at least once a week, I was smoking between half a pack and a pack of cigarettes a day and between 1 and 5 grams of pot a day!  This was at the age of 20-22....now at that time I really truly believed that I'd be dead of an overdose (or cancer) by my mid 30s. 

So now, in my more-sober, cleaner state I see it as a slow form of suicide!

Just to share some thoughts.

xoxo
Kate (formerly Patty)
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Tay

I've lost counts of the numbers of times that I've gotten everything ready. 

Yesterday was the most recent.  I decided that my fiancée and Owner would be better off without me, told my friend this so that she could let them know what had happened to me, and got everything ready.  I prepared to overfill the cat's food dish so that when my roommate got back, the cat wouldn't have eaten any of my body parts for food.

Then my fiancée came online. I think my friend called her.  We ended up on the phone for a few hours.  I'm here today.
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Jay

I have done it once a few years back.... however people found out what I did and I was saved.........


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RebeccaFog




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