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So I think I met a bigender girl...

Started by FalseHybridPrincess, March 09, 2014, 06:37:39 AM

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FalseHybridPrincess

@virginia

hhhm thank you for the info and your time
so ,,, lets see...I ll need you to clarify somethings for me if you please.

So basically even if she had DID I wouldnt be able to understand it ,,,and neither would she?
Its true that she did had some childhood traumas mainly with violence from her father I dont really know that well...

From the first post Ive written do you think that is possible for her to have DID?
and in order to have DID how many alters are they usually there?
does the person understands that has alters?or is it something like a natural occurance??

The only thing that would suggest that see has DID is that she said that she feels multiple people inside her ( yet as I already said...she tried to tell me that its not DID but something else she cant understand)
so these people she feels are they her different gender identities /views of the world...or alters?

When we talk I would ask her a lot of questions , but I cant go and ask her if she thinks she has DID,,,even if she had it would hurt her a lot...

One final question my dear...
is it possible for a person with DID to live happily accepting all of his alters?
or is it more of a torture and therapy is neccesary to free yourself from this?

I dont know if this means anything, but my friend appearance wise looks like a 100% normal young woman , even the way she acts , can get masculine sometime, but its still absolutely normal...

Im sure you ve understand that until now all I knew about this is that it just is possible to happen to somebody,,,nothing more...
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ativan

The answer to your questions is pretty much... Yes.
The lines between genders are becoming more blurred all the time.
Not because people don't understand, but because more people are learning to understand.
I think you understand more than you are giving yourself credit for.
The simple act of trying, of accepting is a huge step in the right direction to understanding gender.
Regardless of who's it is. Cis, Trans Binary, Non-binary.
Like I said, I don't pretend to understand it, but I'm far better off by accepting, rather than by labeling.
I think I posted something before on another topic along the lines of labels and descriptions tend to box people in.
But listening, reading peoples descriptive views of gender is far more telling.
It's a very big question that begs for an answer.
It's taking time to find those answers, but we all are doing our best to describe, to be descriptive, rather than using a description.
For me, it's nice to hear, to read those descriptive views.
I understand that it's hard not to use labels and descriptions, but they are hard to apply to such a big question.
Just what is gender? To be able to use something, to think beyond the usual accepted answers is a big step for anyone.
I don't have that much of a good answer for anyone, but I do know there are a lot of answers out there.
The validity of any of them depends on the perspective of the conversation.
It's the conversations that the answers are in. It's a good discussion.
It's something more people could do to see beyond the accepted view, the simple answer.
There is far more to it than just two sides or even combinations.
Some of those combinations are are being grouped together, yet defy needing a label.
But they are descriptive in conversation.
I really do look forward to society accepting and learning that we are by our very natures, all different, yet mostly we are the same.
I'm on that learning curve myself. I have been for many years. It does get better, as we understand more.
Society is just beginning to figure this out, that we all have something descriptive to tell them.
Their acceptance, just as ours is, is the first big step.

Virginia, I just read your post. I understand it in my own way. I went through several traumas, even near death.
I've been busy trying to relate non-binary through writing about how Ativan came to be.
It includes these traumas, and they are very hard to write about.
They are the times I think of as having been broken, mentally as well as psychically.
It's nice to know that there are better diagnoses out there.
I see a psychologist about my gender dysphoria, as it still exists in some ways.
It's gotten much better over the years.
I see a gender therapist weekly. We do go over some of that, the DID symptoms.
I haven't been strictly diagnosed with it, though.
I have a very hard time even talking about them.
It's what prompted my writing about it as the story.
I think I've found a way to describe it in terms that I understand,
and to be able to let others understand as much as I suppose is possible.
Your post answers some questions I have had to ask myself since starting to write and rewrite the story.
Thank you. I think I can go back and clean up some of the fuzzy parts of that story, now.

False Princess, at times I write about how my self becomes she or he. I don't have a way of saying it any better.
There is a duality at times, things become questionable, and then it goes back to a singularity of gender.
Those symptoms are very familiar to me, they might be for your friend.
A diagnoses would indeed be in order if they are having them

This is a good topic.
Ativan
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Jamie D

Is she bigender? is she something else?

Look up the term "genderfluid"
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Danielle Emmalee

Maybe she's born with it.  Maybe it's maybelline
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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FalseHybridPrincess

Quote from: Jamie D on March 09, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Is she bigender? is she something else?

Look up the term "genderfluid"

I already did but thanks
and yes seems more fitting than bigender , but still...

Quote from: Caysee Danielle on March 09, 2014, 02:43:05 PM
Maybe she's born with it.  Maybe it's maybelline

I guess that was kinda funny  :P
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FalseHybridPrincess

@Ativan

So are you guys basically saying that its hard to distinguish gender fluid non binary people from people with DID?
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ativan

I can only say that I have discussed some of the symptoms of DID with my therapist.
I have with my psychologist as well in the past. He has never directly said very much about it.
Trauma can be a very hard thing to discuss openly.
Depending on what it is, it can trigger some very unwanted things, PTSD like symptoms.
For me, just digging deeper into my self is traumatic on it's own level.
Coming to grips with your gender can be hard.
The same could be easily said for DID.
I think I need to discuss this more with my therapist and psychologist.
I'm curious as to what they might think about my self, now.
I also need to research DID to get a better understanding, I think the one I have now is lacking.
Ativan
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Virginia

DID can mask itself as a transgender experience or many other diseases and disorders. The fact that DID systems are often comprised of alters of different gender battling for control of the body, makes it easy to misdiagnose the disorder as a transgender experience or gender dysphoria.

The problem arises from the fact that the treatment protocols for the two are completely different. Despite my insistence that transition was NOT right for me, my first GT kept insisting to me and my wife that I was a transsexual in denial. If I had followed her advise I would have destroyed the life I spent 48 years building. It took a transition level HRT regimen to control my female alters dysphoria but I didn't begin to make real progress with the underlying problem until I started psychodynamic trauma recovery therapy.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Virginia

I was referred for trauma recovery therapy after being diagnosed with PTSD by my second psychologist when the flashbacks and memory/time loss began. I was re diagnosed with DID/MPD when I began psychodynamic therapy. Trauma recovery therapy is extremely painful and very very slow. It took 8 months of twice a week therapy for me to begin to recover my memories of having been molested as a child.

I have had 72 flashbacks over the last 2 years, know each and every one by name. They are the most horrible thing I have ever experienced...
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Virginia

#29
I wish I able to post an "About Me" in my profile. Perhaps more detail that you are looking for but here is the one I have on bigender.net:

Multiple Personality Disorder/Dissociative Identity Disorder (MPD/DID) is often described as "disorder of secrecy," masking itself as a plethora of other conditions because the victims' lives depended on it. I began counseling in Spring 2009 for sudden acute gender dysphoria. After running a gambit of diagnoses from transsexual to PTSD, the onset of flashbacks and time loss in January 2011 were the first clear indication to my doctors that I had multiple personalities.

It is common for people with MPD/DID to have opposite gender personalities in their systems. Male alters give female trauma victims the strength they do not believe themselves to possess as women. Female alters give men a way to justify in their minds the horror of having been molested and a way to resolve the resulting sexual confusion. I was no exception. My male and female alters have nothing to do with gender. They are what the Self needed to protect itself to survive trauma. That they are male and female is the result of me not being given a "consistent gender message" in early childhood because of:
-The extreme delineation of emotions/behavior as strictly male or female in my family's late 1800's Eastern European mores
-Identity confusion during critical stages of development around age 3 in having been given my female cousin's clothes to wear by my parents
-My only playmates though age 8 being girls

I was never given the chance to develop a "solitary gender identity." An innate ability to dissociate passed on to me by my Mother, my solution was to express myself as both a male and a female as I developed alters to cope with childhood trauma.

28% of MPD/DID patients are diagnosed in their 40's or later. Whether they are aware of their system or not, they established an inner homeostasis that allowed them to present the image of having a healthy life until an external life crisis triggered decomposition. I had a successful career and 20+ years of marriage before my System became unstable.

It is common for newly self-aware alters to battle for control or to attempt to kill other personalities. In my case that struggle between my male and female selfs (2 of 5 alters discovered so far in therapy) presented itself as "gender dysphoria." A transition level HRT regimen quelled the dysphoria but it was the calm before the storm until the nightmares, flashbacks and time loss characteristic of MPD/DID began.

My System is typical of others with MPD/DID who used dissociation as a coping mechanism to survive their childhood trauma. An Inner Self Helper (ISH) and two fragment personalities (Protector who contains rage and a 7 year old, the result of the trauma leading to the first personality split who contains fear) are genderless and have little narcissistic investment. The ISH comes to conscious as needed in its supervisory capacity in the system. The frags operate quietly in the background unless triggered. The two primary alters are male and female. As is often the case with alters, they are both extremely stereotypical to function in their required rolls in the System. The female alter (Virginia) is a strong alter, hosted the System throughout Junior High. She is a bulimic 13 year old who before 2009 had not been self-aware since 1975. The product of the trauma leading to the second personality split, she contains psychological pain. The host, the personality the system chose to represent itself to the external world for the majority of its life (VA), is male, a retired married technical professional, largely devoid of emotion and contains physical pain. Both are capable of fronting for extended periods, have grown quite coconscious over the course of therapy and pass well for each other when necessary.

It took a lot of give and take to settle on a grooming ritual that was acceptable to the primary alters. Fortunately the physical effects of HRT were minimal and the body they share has many intersexed characteristics, the likely result of prenatal DES exposure. Hair, what is removed and what remains, is extremely important. The hair on the head is worn in a shoulder length grunge. Laser/electrolysis treatment returned the eyebrows to their androgynous childhood shape and removed the beard excepting a Van Dyke. The body itself is not shaved. The light vellum hair that remains post HRT does not prevent the female alter from wearing dresses or going to the beach in a bikini and is extremely important to the male alter's sense of self. The small breasts pass for well-developed pecs allowing the male alter to go without a shirt in public and are extremely important to the female alter's sense of self. The fingernails are manicured and kept an active length and the toes have a French pedicure. It is about balance; the solitary Self does not win if one gains at another's expense.

Both alters are extremely confident of who they are and are rarely misgendered. Although they enjoy expressing their maleness/femaleness with clothing, this androgynous grooming enables each to receive societal acceptance of their gender by simply coming to the front. The male alter can literally walk into the mens room in his jeans and a tee shirt, comb his hair differently and let the female alter front, and people will see him as female when he walks out.

The alters live completely separate lives ala Victor/Victoria, Tootsie or Mrs Doubtfire, each having their own wardrobes, friends and interests. They do not identify as trangender and it is vital to each that they are perceived by the people in their respective worlds as the man/woman they are. Any crossover in their worlds would destroy the doublethink used to maintain the delusion of being separate people. It would be catastrophic to the Self for the boundaries that contain the feelings and memories held by each personality to break down. A handful of people in both of their worlds know I am DID, but they understand the personality they know (either male or female primary alter) to be the System host.

The male alter is the more robust of the two. As agreed to by the System and the male alter's wife, he controls the body 5 days a week and the female the other 2. Triggered personality shifts remain beyond the system's control and the Self is generally unaware of which alter is fronting. The female alter does respect the male alter's wife's wishes that she not use her voice or wear her clothes in her presence and passes as the male alter when she needs his wife's companionship. This balance has been reasonably stable since 2010. It took 2 ½ years of cognitive therapy for the male and female alters to come to peace with each other before they were able to begin to explore the pain of my childhood. I have been in twice a week psychodynamic trauma therapy since June 2012.

My conscious mind has slowly begun to allow itself to experience the feelings the alters have held in silence for 45+ years. Yoga has become an instrumental part of the path to acceptance. Piecing together the events of my childhood with my adult mind I am beginning to understand my childhood for what it was, how my innocence, my freedom to think and feel and be were stolen from me, that I cannot be the person I am as an effeminate man, a crossdresser or any transgender expression of solitary self. And the role HRT has played in meeting my need not to propagate as a victim of childhood trauma and rape.

In God's infinite wisdom, the Self found a way to survive the childhood trauma that would have led to suicide. Given the time my System has existed, only continued therapy will show the extent to which personality fusion is possible. But after 54 years I am finally beginning to understand myself, why I relate to people the way I do and to see the benefits of an integrated existence. There is a different kind of pain in fitting the pieces together into a bigger and bigger picture but the consolation of truth is peace.

A few things I have learned about MPD/DID:

Time/memory loss is a primary characteristic of dissociation, and trauma based dissociative identities/personalities are a psychological disorder. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and MPD/DID have received a tremendous amount of attention because of the widespread problems experienced by veterans coming back from the Middle East and the horrible devastating effect these conditions have on a victim's life.

The relationship between trauma and MPD/DID is so well established, patients are assumed to have experienced childhood trauma unless the therapist determines otherwise. The narcissistic personalities the Self uses to express itself to the world do not have access to the memories of trauma held by the personalities that contain them. Patients with MPD/DID are in deep denial of their condition, often going to jail or turning to alcohol/drugs rather than facing the reality of their disorder or reliving the horror of the childhood trauma that caused it. I stonewalled my therapist's hints that that my childhood was less than perfect and that I had been molested for nearly two years with the self delusion that I was transgender.

Personalities often perceive themselves to have existed since birth because in a sense they have. In my case the original personality can be thought of as a chocolate bar with the alters being the individual pieces. Each piece will always have its memory of being part of the whole bar. But its coconsciousness of the whole ends when it was broken off. All five of the alters in my System perceived themselves to have existed since birth, each insisting they were the "original" personality. It took over a year of twice weekly psychodynamic therapy for me to begin to put together the memories each of them had so I could understand this was not the case.

It is common for an alter's psychological age to correspond to the host's age at the time of specific trauma events related to the dissociation that caused the split. Children are oblivious to my adult body and play with the 7 year old in my System like any other kid at the park. My 13 year old female alter is preoccupied with her looks and friends like any adolescent. She has the classic bulimia associated with young girls who were subjected to early childhood trauma. I am the host, what is left of the chocolate and the original personality.

Experiencing consciousness only as the Self calls on them to cope with trauma alters live a piecewise existence. It was a horrible shock and adjustment to the female alter when she became self aware in 2009. It wasn't 1975; the world she knew did not exist anymore. Originally diagnosed as gender dysphoria, my female alter was actually suffering extreme body dyphoria because of the disconnect between what she remembered my body as being when I was a preteen and what it had become as a 49 year old man.

People with MPD/DID must come to their own peace with the reality that their recovered memories are true and not false memories created in therapy. Our adult brains have a difficult time accepting/understanding the way our undeveloped child's brain remembered the knowledge of trauma. Unlike an adult mind's concrete images and facts, a child's mind stores information as feelings, sense/body memories, shadows and imagery.

The recovered memories that surfaced as emotional flashbacks, nightmares, snippets and feelings for me all pointed to what I knew without knowing and did not want to be true. Despite my therapist's objective perspectives, I persisted with the doublethink that had protected me for a lifetime. Despite the pictures in the family album, the consistency of the facts from my childhood my adult mind did remember with my recovered memories, I continued to delude myself that it was all just coincidence. The recovered memory became real when my Mother confirmed I had been raped.

A therapist's objective perspective is vital to the process of setting the historical record straight so the MPD/DID patient can begin to understand the things that happened to them as child with their adult mind. Accepting the thoughts and feelings they protected themself from with dissociation they can begin to rediscover the Self, and begin make their own choices for the first time in their life.

A common end result of therapy, the current methodology is not to merge personalities (fusion) but to help them work together so the patient can live a peaceful happy life. The degree to which personalities integrate the way they interact or fuse into fewer personalities is determined by what the System perceives to be in its own best interest with its new understanding of Self. It has always been and always will be that way for the dissociative person.

Excellent references:
Childhood Antecedents of Multiple Personality Disorders, Kluft et al
Soul Murder: The Effects of Childhood Abuse and Deprivation, Shengold
Breaking Free; My Life with Dissociative Identity Disorder,  Herschel Walker
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Virginia

Quote from: FalsePrincessSo basically even if she had DID I wouldnt be able to understand it ,,,and neither would she?
It took me 48 years to come to realize I was DID, has taken five years of therapy and thousands of hours of therapy to begin to understand my System.

Quote from: FalsePrincessand in order to have DID how many alters are they usually there?
My System of five alters is very typical. I am the host, what remains of the birth personality. I handle physical pain and the tasks of day to day life. The child alter handles fear; the female alter psychological pain; the Protector Rage and the Inner Self Helper (ISH) acts as a master computer to orchestrate the alters in the best interest of the Self.

Quote from: FalsePrincessdoes the person understands that has alters?or is it something like a natural occurance??
Not until the alters become coconsious. I didn't know I had alters for 48 years; it is all we know and seems completely natural.

Quote from: FalsePrincessso these people she feels are they her different gender identities /views of the world...or alters?
If she has DID, this would be the case. Although I am coconsciousness with my female alter (the only other narcissistic alter in my System) I am not privy to all of her thoughts, feeling and memories. She is a strong alter, fronts nearly as well as I do, was my System host during junior high. We live completely separate lives. She fronts 2 days a week, I front the rest. She wears bikinis to the beach, has her girlfriends at yoga; I go bare-chested in the summer and have been married for over 20 years. Neither of our genders is ever questioned. Only my immediate family and medical professionals know I am DID. They rest of the people in our lives know each of us as the cisgender people we are.

Quote from: FalsePrincessis it possible for a person with DID to live happily accepting all of his alters?
Yes, that is the goal of therapy.

Quote from: FalsePrincessis it more of a torture and therapy is neccesary to free yourself from this?
The development of dissociative identities is an amazing coping mechanism that saved the self from insanity or death. 28% of MPD/DID patients are diagnosed in their 40's or later. Whether they are aware of their system or not, they established an inner homeostasis that allowed them to present the image of having a healthy life until an external life crisis triggered decomposition. Having dissociative identities only become a "disorder" when the coping mechanism begins to negatively impact a persons ability to live their daily life.

Quote from: FalsePrincessI dont know if this means anything, but my friend appearance wise looks like a 100% normal young woman , even the way she acts , can get masculine sometime, but its still absolutely normal...
It doesn't mean a thing. Many "normal" people are dissociative. I am actually a retired graduate level engineer, solidly cisgender and enjoy everything about being a guy. It's my role in my System. Same for my female alter. No one in her world ever questions that she is anything other than the cisgender woman she is. To everyone except the handful of people who know about my DID, we are both completely "normal."
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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sad panda

Thanks for sharing all your experiences virginia, I wanted to do that bc that was the impression i was getting but I am not really DID, just dissociative with parts (cuz of my BPD), I don't lose time almost ever even when regressing or something. But hugs to you if you want them from another survivor and happy to hear that you figured things out :)
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FalseHybridPrincess

Indeed thank you for the info and thanks to everyone else who posted...I think I ve learned too many things today :)

So I tried to reach a conclusion for my friend before I go to sleep...

I actually believe that she is trigender since except the clear male and female part inside her there is also a mix of those too...

I dont think she has DID considering everything, there might be a tiny chance , but I doubt it...
When we talked I got the feeling that i was talking to a single person/soul that has the need to present as / is multiple genders and has multiple styles...but I still felt that she is a single person somehow...

I ll leave it like this for tonight.

ty guys
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ativan

Virginia, that totally blows me away, your 'about me' from bigender.net.
Like Emily said, an excellent review and base line.
I know what I go through, and your experiences are far more extensive than mine.
I refer to she and he, along with my self. Only because I don't know of a better way to write it.
There have been times of separation, but it is in opinions, not of my self.
A question, a circumstance, an event. I have generally a couple opinions, my she and he.
Most of the time they are in agreement to the degree that it is just my self that has an opinion and deals with it.
There are very distinctive times where there are different opinions, she and he don't always agree.
But it is still my self. Simply put, two sides to my gender.

The PTSD type of experiences have some of this quality in them, but only to the extent as above.
They are like being lost in the memories of some violent events, some of my own doing.
I pretty much blank out what is actually going on around me in real time and don't recall what happened.
They are mainly about the event themselves. I don't lose my sense of self.
Even if she and he aren't in agreement about the event.

They both have their own unique qualities for the most part.
They both share the same range of emotions and intelligence.
At times they have, out of necessity, changed their roles that they normally play.
So they are interchangeable to a degree.

But I still wonder at times if I'm just telling myself this, to justify something that I'm not aware of.
The part of therapy I don't like, is realizations I didn't see coming, but I suppose I really did know, all along.
Your experiences are massive compared to mine.
You're a stronger person than me.
Take care...
Ativan
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Virginia

Thank you, everyone, for your kind word and thoughts.
Mine has been a sea of tears and searing agony, exaggerated by a horrible horrible mistake made by my Gender Therapist. We are often not in a position to stand far enough away from ourselves to know what we need. The Standards of Care exist for good reason. I tell my story not to boast or to belittle, but so others can learn, understand that a person's need to express themself as their GNAAB can have nothing whatsoever to do with being transgender.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Natkat

First of I will say good credit for you and her friends to be there for her, it sure always important with suport you know. you don't need to be worry on not understanding it complitely, simple because we are trans* dosent mean we all get each others identity (I find it pretty difficult to related to female crossdressers exemple) it just important that you do make an efford as you do.
I learn an easy way by a straight guy. He got a gay son where he said he did not understand how his son could love another man, but he did understood what it was like to love someone ells. so maybe you can think it simular patterns when theres something you find very difficult to relate with.
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I can't speak so much of experience but I do have a friend who identify somewhere into the non-binary, she looks like a typical girl but she dosen't identify 100% as female. I dont exactly know the identety if its bigender, genderfluid, thirdgender or whatever but I dont think it the most important point either.
as labels can be good somethimes they can other times also be very confussing. I am currently in a project where I am to educate about this stuff, and we explain it with there is 2 boxes of genderoles for male and female. outside of this boxes theres a bigger box which is called sociaty.

if you for exemple: are inside the female/girl box it means you fit well into the norm on how your gender should be. if you go alittle outside the box you get into some trans or gender-breaking category on people who break the cis-norm in a way or another. People here could be transexual, tomboys, butch, genderqueer, and so on..


but there also exist people who live outside the box of sociaty in a category we do not have words for.  So as well she may be bigender or genderfluent she may also a mix of diffrent labels or a category which we dont have a name for yet, (or maybe we do but its not available in your country/sociaty).
due to that I think it pretty important not to put so much focus in what label she is but more what she prefern, nobody knows herself better than herself after all, and if she is into a period on figuring herself out then just give her all the time and options she will need.
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speaking of pronouncing I think a mix of he and she works pretty fine, I do that for a couple of people who dont care. at first it was confussing but I usunally figure out a certain pattern, like if its a dragqueen ex then when she is in her femme mode its she and her as more masculine its he. I also try gender neutral pronouncing but like in Greece we dont really have that in the country other than adopting words used in the lgbt (and not even that often) or "it" is the closest you get.
I know one transwoman who spoke spanish or hebrew (I dont remember which of the languarges exactly)
she said she simplely mixed the female and male ways of speaking to make it genderneutral the same way people mix He and she to get "zhe" I have tried it the same way with mixing he and she pronouncing and it worked fine for me, but yeah it sure also depend, prononcing can always get abit difficult in our sociaty.
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Natkat

Btw. I made a translation for a long time ago.
its wrotte by a woman who dosen't feel 100% female, and it a collection on poems, art, and self reflection text she had.

maybe your friends would like to read it I dont know. but I post the link here.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/175639242/Body-Impossible
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FalseHybridPrincess

wow thanks for this post ,

I can understand the box, I mean I think that Im not even considered 100% female , I dont think that having a penis makes you less female etc
and I can see how others can have that kind of eeer how should I say it , non normal thoughts?

Im glad I started this thread and met this person , Im feeling that im learning so many things, I knew that everyone is different but not to that extend , to the extend that someone can be and feel so unique that we have no words to address him/her or whatever..
In the end we re all humans , spirits , souls whatever , some get a body that really fits them , some dont and try to change it  , some feel limited , some dont even want to  acknowledge a body etc etc , its magnifiscent.

And all this has made me thinking , how do I know im a woman? what is a woman anyways? If im not a normal woman what am I? surely not a man...
at the end I see myself as a soul , a really feminine soul that in order to find her place  in this world choses to be a woman and not a man,,,
but after all this I cant just see myself as something so fragile as female or male, in a sense , I still dont understand.

Once I asked my mom about this and she said that she doesnt feel neither male or female but rather a human, the female part its just what feels natural for her...

complicated.

Anyway I read the journal , it was really amazing and Im sure my friend would love to read it
I understand what the person who wrote it means , we are kinda limited thus somethings are considered "normal"
so what if you dont want to be what is considered normal? sometimes its even impossible , its impossible for that person and my friend to change completely from female to male and again...its impossible to chose and be both physically , no matter if you feel like that inside you...
sigh...


Ty again for this post  I dont know if I ll be able to do it , but I ll try to understand the diversity of the world and the human soul .
But even If I cant , acceptance and love is enough .
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JamesG

Very interesting, deep topic.

Quote from: FalsePrincess on March 12, 2014, 05:34:20 PM
Once I asked my mom about this and she said that she doesnt feel neither male or female but rather a human, the female part its just what feels natural for her...

That is actually very close to my idea of what "gender fluid" is.  Being able to integrate aspects of both at will, where "bigendered" is flipping back and forth between the two and "androgynous" purposefully attempts to obliterate the distinction.  After all gender is mostly just mental self-image.

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Ty again for this post  I dont know if I ll be able to do it , but I ll try to understand the diversity of the world and the human soul .
But even If I cant , acceptance and love is enough .

And if we had more of that attitude the world would be a nicer place.
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Natkat

Quote from: FalsePrincess on March 12, 2014, 05:34:20 PM

And all this has made me thinking , how do I know im a woman? what is a woman anyways? If im not a normal woman what am I? surely not a man...
at the end I see myself as a soul , a really feminine soul that in order to find her place  in this world choses to be a woman and not a man,,,
but after all this I cant just see myself as something so fragile as female or male, in a sense , I still dont understand.

Once I asked my mom about this and she said that she doesnt feel neither male or female but rather a human, the female part its just what feels natural for her...

complicated.

Anyway I read the journal , it was really amazing and Im sure my friend would love to read it
I understand what the person who wrote it means , we are kinda limited thus somethings are considered "normal"
so what if you dont want to be what is considered normal? sometimes its even impossible , its impossible for that person and my friend to change completely from female to male and again...its impossible to chose and be both physically , no matter if you feel like that inside you...
sigh...
I think it just important to get in some kind of flow with yourself on what feels best and most natural, true theres limits which sucks, theres both a limit in the norm on what consider normal or not, and theres a limit in what exactly is posible.

I think first option people can still do alot if they are brave and got the right chances. for the body part well yeah unfurtunatly that not really an option, so I guess the only thing one can do is to think what they prefern or could live with.







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