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Started by Satinjoy, March 26, 2014, 07:19:24 PM

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sad panda

Yah I had a choice, unfortunately I ended up regretting it :c
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Satinjoy

Quote from: Dee Marshall on April 08, 2014, 11:41:45 AM
I've only recently, consciously, realized I'm a trans-woman. I've always been melancholy, knowing something was wrong. I grew up in a very working class, binary, black and white, right or wrong environment. I've had occasional flashes of knowing, of understanding, but quickly repressed them. I was genuinely surprised last December when I finally admitted to myself that at heart I'm a lesbian woman and not the man I seem to be.

So, no, no real choice except self denial, self delusion, and health destroying stress. My choices after almost 55 years of denying the truth to myself are to continue that or risk everything and be myself. I'm generally open about everything in my life with everyone, except...

I've been married to a wonderful woman who I love dearly for 34 years. I've told a few people, but not her. I DON'T KNOW HOW.

I'm so very scared!

Dee

Dee you are going to need a lot of help and there is a lot of it here, I suggest you post in the introductions and ask for advice and you will get plenty of support.  As to coming out, that is best handled with the best shrink you can buy for starters to guide you through the process and save whatever can be saved... or even sometimes improved... with your current life and loved ones.

This dysphoria is intense for me and i don't screw around with it, I bring the best of the best in to help me learn to live with it and to learn how to break it to others.

The fear is normal.  And here we have another 55 year old hitting the wall... this is becoming a huge trend I think...and in my case I believe it was the DES womb partial transition.  Its all in that time window and now the drug is banned.  Was used to stop miscarriages.  They messed up in a huge way.

There are a lot of threads here to help you.

My advice is to find the best gender therapist you can and get to work before this bites you.  Trust me it will help you big time.

Be smart, come out under guidance...

And vent dear, let that fear out,  this is a safe place to do it

Best wishes
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Satinjoy

Quote from: sad panda on April 08, 2014, 02:42:54 PM
Yah I had a choice, unfortunately I ended up regretting it :c

Shrink just told me yesterday it was a really bad idea for me to do an orchi.  He said based on how well he knew me I would regret it.  I am cool with that I pay him to tell me the truth and I get it.

And then you post, poor thing.

Dont be sad dear.  We are here...
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Allyda

Unfortunately I had no choice unless you count death as a choice. Beside what I posted earlier as not being able to pass for male anymore a little over two months before beginning my hrt I began having those very familiar to me "life isn't worth living if I can't be female" thoughts and knew given my two previous suicide attempts were genuine but failures only because of quick action by neighbors and paramedics I wouldn't be here now, and since the "third time might be a charm" fearing I might actually succeed thought crossed my mind more than once, that if I don't do something to begin my transformation it was either start my hrt on my own or risk losing control. (Oh don't worry guys I now have an Endochronologist who is very experienced with transgender people monitoring my hrt -In fact I had my 3 month bloodwork done Yesterday). Sorry if my reply sounds a bit jumbled. I don't have a therapist yet and talking about this reeeaaly hurts, and realizing how close I was again scares me out of my skirt. I guess some would call it a choice. I chose LIFE!

Sorry for bringing anybody down. It wasn't my intention when I started my reply but these -I don't -well, handle those memories well. And they kind of creeped out.

Since beginning hrt/my transformation I haven't had any of those suicidal thoughts or urges. I've been happier than I've ever been, and I feel 30 years younger like I'm in my 20's again. It gave me a new lease on life. As some of you know I've just came back from vacation where I met the two best people in the world. And I'm feeling new and secure now with my future. I even went and got my hair and nails done today to treat myself a little.
So I guess Life is my choice. ;)

Ally
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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Miyah48

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on March 26, 2014, 09:21:44 PM
I don't think that I really had a true "choice". It was more like: "How long can I hold this off with whatever distractions I can come up with?" It started at 10 as far as the distractions went (music). Then at 15 it went to street drugs since I had also been battling suicidal thoughts for 5 years and they got stronger and stronger every year. I know that doing drugs isn't a good idea, but without that at the time, I would have never made it to 16, never mind making it to the age that I am now.

With the aid of those two things, I was able to make it through to age 29, but the thoughts were always there in the back in my mind. But I could cope with it. At age 29, the walls came crumbling down and I had one choice: Come out and initiate my transition, or be dead within a matter of months if not weeks. I came out to my mom on August, 3rd, 2006 and went from there.

I knew that by that time, I had no real choice. It truly was life or death and when those ARE your only options. It really isn't a choice anymore. It was more of a matter of survival than anything else regardless of the consequences.

My life at least distraction wise is like urs. Im 16 now. I think waiting till 29 would kill me to be honest. My life is full of distactions. Mostly mathematics since ive been clean for a good year and a hald (cheers narcotics anonymous) 
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
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FrancisAnn

I've never had a choice. It's just who I am. Only problem is that I've not yet changed by body enough to feel normal. I will never feel normal until a normal woman's body including my GRS.
mtF, mid 50's, always a girl since childhood, HRT (Spiro, E & Fin.) since 8-13. Hormone levels are t at 12 & estrogen at 186. Face lift & eye lid surgery in 2014. Abdominoplasty/tummy tuck & some facial surgery May, 2015. Life is good for me. Love long nails & handsome men! Hopeful for my GRS & a nice normal depth vagina maybe by late summer. 5' 8", 180 pounds, 14 dress size, size 9.5 shoes. I'm kind of an elegant woman & like everything pink, nice & neet. Love my nails & classic Revlon Red. Moving back to Florida, so excited but so much work moving
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DiDi

I am hitting the wall now and came out to my SO and adult daughters only in February. Our marriage is headed for disaster, and I see that I'm not the only on ein this situation. We may love our SOs but is that enough to live in this pain for the rest of our lives? I'm thinking not. Is it a choice. It's not a choice to be transgender. It is a choice over what you do about it. There will be suffering. It's about choosing the lesser suffering based on our own internal values. Those who don't value their personal authenticity over family, commitment, social standing etc will choose one path. Those who value the other more will choose the other. We don't choose to be transgender. Who the heck would? It hasn't been easy so far.
Trying to Be Real In Real Life
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Satinjoy

Quote from: __________ on April 08, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
So much darkness in this thread - kinda makes my decision process seem very trivial.

I had a choice, and I've always had a choice.  I could be the guy I was born as and be moderately unhappy some of the time, or I could be a girl and (hopefully) be far happier.

Am I unique in just making a choice between being "okay" and being "happy", rather than being "dead" or being "alive"?

Darkness.  I was thinking about this today.  I don't think it is dark, I think it is something different, somehow.

This thread is a thread about courage.  Its about facing our worst stuff and living through them to find a life lived honestly.   Its about having the guts to stand up to a world that doesn't get it - and you full transition girls have a lot of guts to be able to pull that off.  I cannot.  If anything this thread has me locked in now on staying stealth, on hormones, with only a select few knowing what is under the mask I wear so well.   Maybe I can do that because I am a professional actor, I don't know why I can do it, but there is always the knowledge that I am very different from what they think they see, and my tolerance for intolerance is wearing very, very thin.  So my big act of courage has been coming out to that select few.  Only two people have seen me fully transitioned as a preop.  And that went exceedingly well.

So is it dark?  Unfortunately there are those who did the big opt out thing that can't post.  But we are the survivors and are here to help one another through whatever pain comes with having something as huge as this.

Most of the time I obsess about being trans.  95% of my non working thoughtlife is about trans.  I am trying to change that and its hard to do.  When I step back for a moment and look at where I am now, I am shocked.  Here I am with a woman's body and the untransitioned head of a male with a woman's nervous system and emotions and sensory perception.  Sexually.  I have nerves I think are somewhere else in the normies.  Too much going on between the legs, doesn't figure to me as male at all.

But when I realize what I have had to do to get here, and what I look like now, I am astounded.  And I still smile every time I look in the mirror - I can easily see through the face to whats underneath it, and those woman's eyes that look back...I saw those eyes for decades.  I used to hate them.  Now they give me joy.

I am still trying to process this stuff.  I am still trying to accept that this happened to me.  And yes, I have far too much to lose to fully transition.  Will it happen?  Depends on when the pain gets to critical mass, but I will do whatever I can to remain at peace no matter where this thing takes me.

Suicide was never an option.  But the odds of me being sober are about one in ten thousand.  It was stop drinking or die... at 25 years old.  I was going out dressed in a very dangerous area in NYC and making sure I passed out inside of my condemned appartment instead of outside the door.  I have 30 years of AA and they are helping me survive.  They don't know details... actually 4 do, but they know how to keep me from picking up again.  To drink for me is to die.  I could not get sober until I showed up at a meeting cross dressed and told them this is why I drank, eliminating that as an excuse to self destruct.  They just told me not to drink and to get a better wig.  That was 30 years ago.

And I must say, the hormones feel just wonderful.  That is what I tell my wife, they are absolutely medically necessary for me, and that is the truth.  They are.

A story of courage.  All of us.  Every one of us.  Lights in the dark.  :)
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Allyda

Quote from: Satinjoy on April 09, 2014, 09:00:16 PM
Darkness.  I was thinking about this today.  I don't think it is dark, I think it is something different, somehow.

This thread is a thread about courage.  Its about facing our worst stuff and living through them to find a life lived honestly.   Its about having the guts to stand up to a world that doesn't get it - and you full transition girls have a lot of guts to be able to pull that off.  I cannot.  If anything this thread has me locked in now on staying stealth, on hormones, with only a select few knowing what is under the mask I wear so well.   Maybe I can do that because I am a professional actor, I don't know why I can do it, but there is always the knowledge that I am very different from what they think they see, and my tolerance for intolerance is wearing very, very thin.  So my big act of courage has been coming out to that select few.  Only two people have seen me fully transitioned as a preop.  And that went exceedingly well.

So is it dark?  Unfortunately there are those who did the big opt out thing that can't post.  But we are the survivors and are here to help one another through whatever pain comes with having something as huge as this.

Most of the time I obsess about being trans.  95% of my non working thoughtlife is about trans.  I am trying to change that and its hard to do.  When I step back for a moment and look at where I am now, I am shocked.  Here I am with a woman's body and the untransitioned head of a male with a woman's nervous system and emotions and sensory perception.  Sexually.  I have nerves I think are somewhere else in the normies.  Too much going on between the legs, doesn't figure to me as male at all.

But when I realize what I have had to do to get here, and what I look like now, I am astounded.  And I still smile every time I look in the mirror - I can easily see through the face to whats underneath it, and those woman's eyes that look back...I saw those eyes for decades.  I used to hate them.  Now they give me joy.

I am still trying to process this stuff.  I am still trying to accept that this happened to me.  And yes, I have far too much to lose to fully transition.  Will it happen?  Depends on when the pain gets to critical mass, but I will do whatever I can to remain at peace no matter where this thing takes me.

Suicide was never an option.  But the odds of me being sober are about one in ten thousand.  It was stop drinking or die... at 25 years old.  I was going out dressed in a very dangerous area in NYC and making sure I passed out inside of my condemned appartment instead of outside the door.  I have 30 years of AA and they are helping me survive.  They don't know details... actually 4 do, but they know how to keep me from picking up again.  To drink for me is to die.  I could not get sober until I showed up at a meeting cross dressed and told them this is why I drank, eliminating that as an excuse to self destruct.  They just told me not to drink and to get a better wig.  That was 30 years ago.

And I must say, the hormones feel just wonderful.  That is what I tell my wife, they are absolutely medically necessary for me, and that is the truth.  They are.

A story of courage.  All of us.  Every one of us.  Lights in the dark.  :)
SatinJoy,  I'm at a loss for words. What a wonderful post that describes what many of us have gone through to get where we are today. Your right, I'm a survivor. I've survived my darkest periods in life to finally fully transform and live in the body I should have been in at birth. You have touched my heart and soul with your post. And your right, this thread is a story of courage, our story, and we are the lights in the dark. I thank you for these wonderful words of wisdom, from the bottom of my heart, and the depths of my soul. :icon_flower: I'm very happy your here with us to help us light the way to true happiness. :icon_bunch:
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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JenSquid

Quote from: __________ on April 08, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
So much darkness in this thread - kinda makes my decision process seem very trivial.

I had a choice, and I've always had a choice.  I could be the guy I was born as and be moderately unhappy some of the time, or I could be a girl and (hopefully) be far happier.

Am I unique in just making a choice between being "okay" and being "happy", rather than being "dead" or being "alive"?

No. For me it is also a choice between a possibly tolerable existence and being happy, rather than necessarily being dead or alive. Over time I've realized that I'm not happy as I am, but I need not spend the rest of my life miserable, hiding from everything either. That's not to say I don't have things [frequently] occur that send me into an emotional tailspin, complete with suicidal ideation, but I've realized that gender typically isn't the direct cause. Rather, it's there behind the scenes eroding my self-image and my ability to believe in myself, while other things are more directly thwarting me.

While life isn't bearing down on me, I tend to do okay, though I wouldn't call my state good, as I never feel quite right about myself. Still, I can sort of manage, and in that sense, I certainly see pursuing transition as a choice. I will say that it would be nice not to feel like something is fundamentally wrong with me for a change.
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stephaniec

I just came to an immovable road block. the only way around it was HRT.
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Satinjoy

I get the fundamentally wrong thing when I  compare myself to cis males or cis females.  I need to compare myself to other transwomen or transmen.  Then I realize I am not alone, and am almost trans-normal, certainly transnormal when you consider we are on a spectrum of trans as opposed to at the extreme end of it.

Thank God Susans is a place the recognizes and values that spectrum of truth.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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April Lee

My philosophy of life is that we always have a choice, but the question is at what cost. 
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FrancisAnn

I sometimes have events that kind of shake me & I stop HRT for a few days thinking it will help me focus on the current problems better. However it rarely happens to help much so I'm trying not to have any day go by that I'm not taking my normal estrogen. I feel terrible if I go a day or two without estrogen. So for me there seems no choice.
mtF, mid 50's, always a girl since childhood, HRT (Spiro, E & Fin.) since 8-13. Hormone levels are t at 12 & estrogen at 186. Face lift & eye lid surgery in 2014. Abdominoplasty/tummy tuck & some facial surgery May, 2015. Life is good for me. Love long nails & handsome men! Hopeful for my GRS & a nice normal depth vagina maybe by late summer. 5' 8", 180 pounds, 14 dress size, size 9.5 shoes. I'm kind of an elegant woman & like everything pink, nice & neet. Love my nails & classic Revlon Red. Moving back to Florida, so excited but so much work moving
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Sarah84

I think I had a choice.
First option was to remain male and spend the rest of my life sad and wishing to be a female. The second option was to transition and finally be happy and spend the second part of my life in a body that represent what I am inside much better.
So for me it was rather a choice to have a better and more fulfilling  life, than life or death.
I have chosen second option and so far I didn't regret it for a second!
My real name is Monika :)
HRT: 11.11.2014
SRS: 5.11.2015 with Chettawut
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FrancisAnn

Quote from: Sarah84 on September 11, 2014, 05:41:00 AM
I think I had a choice.
First option was to remain male and spend the rest of my life sad and wishing to be a female. The second option was to transition and finally be happy and spend the second part of my life in a body that represent what I am inside much better.
So for me it was rather a choice to have a better and more fulfilling  life, than life or death.
I have chosen second option and so far I didn't regret it for a second!
You are smart to enjoy life while young. I never could find a way to completely break through early in life even though I've been female since an early child. Good for you GF.
mtF, mid 50's, always a girl since childhood, HRT (Spiro, E & Fin.) since 8-13. Hormone levels are t at 12 & estrogen at 186. Face lift & eye lid surgery in 2014. Abdominoplasty/tummy tuck & some facial surgery May, 2015. Life is good for me. Love long nails & handsome men! Hopeful for my GRS & a nice normal depth vagina maybe by late summer. 5' 8", 180 pounds, 14 dress size, size 9.5 shoes. I'm kind of an elegant woman & like everything pink, nice & neet. Love my nails & classic Revlon Red. Moving back to Florida, so excited but so much work moving
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Alexis79

Though newer here...and newer to my confirmation...my 2 cents.

It is a choice...for now...for me. I COULD live through being male for awhile and have never had a problem until now. I choose because I know that it is becoming less and less of a choice...because it is about my reconciliation with myself. I have been fortunate to never have it as bad as many others, but I also know...each time I think more about it, the tougher it gets, the stronger I need it, and the less I can go back to being male.

I am CHOOSING to pursue transition because I realize that it is a choice of being myself fully, or myself in hiding and only partially. This equates to transition or die a slow, miserable death inside. I choose happiness and true sense of self over denial and repression.
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ImagineKate

I wish I had a choice. The difference is night and day, and I had only put the tip of my toes into the pool... now I have no choice but to immerse myself.

I love many aspects of my life but I don't like this one. I wish it would just go away. So I am taking steps to do exactly that.
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Shana-chan

As I said before, sure we "have" a "choice" but, the other choice is so painful and can lead to our death that one can hardly CALL that a "choice."
"Denial will get people no where."
"Don't look to the here & now but rather, to the unknown future & hope on that vs. the here & now."
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Allyda

An old thread revived. :)

Happy to see opinions from newer members too.

As I describe earlier here, for me it was either live, or die, I chose life so here I am -if you wanna call that a choice that is.

Best Wishes!

Ally :icon_flower:
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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