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Transitioning is merely a choice

Started by melissa90299, July 18, 2007, 02:45:20 AM

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Rachael

why NOT go ft asap? surely sooner = less pain? but this topic isnt about ft date, OR mauds sensitivity which is cronically low, by medical standards btw.

plus shes #chat staff, not forum staff, her forum ranting and raving is entirely out of hours ;)
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katia

Quote from: regina on July 22, 2007, 10:30:48 PM

What I was thinking of are issues like, preexisting relationships, children, jobs, family, money (which is sometimes important, if you don't want to be a sexworker), issues of passing (a big one), not being emotionally ready for it (an even bigger one) and all sorts of stuff where you don't want to just go charging around like a bull in a china shop.


why think of transitioning at all when you carry all this baggage? can it be done in spite of all this? i'd just forget about it.  ;)
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Kate

Quote from: Katia on July 22, 2007, 10:48:15 PM
why think of transitioning at all when you carry all this baggage? can it be done in spite of all this? i'd just forget about it.  ;)

Well, my therapist likes to say, "remember that when you transition, everyone else has to transition along with you..."

I 'spose I coulda just left left 'em all behind... though in the end, I NEEDED them to do this. And for sure, it was truly a struggle when I felt I was being held back unfairly. But I waited, and let people adjust, and generally took my cues from them as to when I could do what. And in the end, it was them dragging ME through this all, helping me all the way, rather than me just telling them to deal or else.

And aside from a few troubles, it worked out wonderfully for me. I really didn't "lose" anything or anyone, and in fact GAINED new friendships and deepened existing ones.

~Kate~
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katia

does that mean that people that call children "baggage" are  not being sensitive? ::) let's not change the meaning of the thread here.  you know what i meant. 

urban dictionary.  take your pick. 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=baggage
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melissa90299

All I want to know is how many "r's" are there in

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl?
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katia

Quote from: melissa90299 on July 23, 2007, 12:04:00 AM
All I want to know is how many "r's" are there in

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl?

not enough  ha ha ha ha ha ;)
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Elizabeth

Interesting word, this "choice". This becomes a great word to discuss because of how broadly it can and is interpreted. When someone says "I had no choice", it does not mean, to me, that they literally had no choice, it means that the choice they picked was their best choice. So much so that any other choice would seem stupid.

If in fact only one option is available, that is not a choice and is indeed a rare event. When someone says, "I  had to transition, I had no choice", they don't mean there was literally no other choice. Of course they could have chosen not to. And with that choice they get the consequences of that choice. So when someone says, "I had no choice", it's a metaphor meaning that it was the best choice for them at the time. Not everyone is going to see things that way.

When I went full time I had a choice. I could have tried to live without killing myself. I don't think it would have worked and we would not be having this nice little chat. I could have tried to keep my male face on, but to be honest I just had no desire what so ever to do so. I really preferred death to the life I was living. For me the choice was to live or die. I chose to live, even if it were hard.

How is it that others don't go full time the instant they can? Simple, they are not compelled by the life and death choice that I faced. It was not some proud moment in my life. It was the hardest time ever in my life. To finally say that "no matter what?, I am living as a woman from now on", carried huge consequences, not just for me, but for my kids, my siblings and even my exwife. It had nothing to do with personal preference or what I would have liked to do. It was a traumatic event.

If a person can steer their life into transition and not have to have the turmoil I had, I am all for it. It don't matter if it takes a few months or even a few years. I would love to have been able to guide everyone down this path instead of blazing a trail, which is much more accurate, as to what has occurred. Yeah, that baggage? Take your time and unpack it, there is stuff in there you will need. It's a tough row to hoe with no tools.

We can not choose who and what we are, but we can choose how we approach it, at least sometimes. I know there will always be those of you like me who are compelled by circumstance, but if you are not compelled, there is nothing wrong with acting with deliberate action. I do not believe that everything must be done the instant it can be. Sometimes it pays to look before we leap.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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melissa90299

Quote from: morticia on July 23, 2007, 12:29:07 AM
Quote from: Katia on July 23, 2007, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: melissa90299 on July 23, 2007, 12:04:00 AM
All I want to know is how many "r's" are there in

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl?

not enough  ha ha ha ha ha ;)

Hahaha!!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grrrrrrl

Quote1.     grrrrrrl     
a somewhat agressive girl, causing riots, kicking your ass

dont call your girlfriend a grrrrrrl, it will freak her out if she has the potential to be one.
tags agressive girl causing riots kicking your ass dangerous

Ageless Amazon Goddess Warrior kick riot grrrrrrl ass every time, grashopper.

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Maud

Quote from: regina on July 22, 2007, 07:15:24 PM
Quote from: Mawd on July 22, 2007, 01:54:39 AM
For me it technically was a choice but also in the same way that you can choose to punch yourself in the face or choose not to.

I don't even understand people who don't go FT as soon as is humanly possible, only after two months or so after coming to terms I transitioned comfortably, why would I leave it any longer? It just hurt too much to do anything but.

I'd almost forgotten how bad GID pain is.

An important part of being a 'staff member' of a trans forum (whoopee) is to have some empathy for people who are in situations different than your own. If you don't understand any reasons why someone wouldn't go FT as soon as possible, perhaps it's time to think about it some more and put yourself in someone else's position. Maybe you're finally of an age where you can start viewing the world through something other than your own narrow experience. It would make you a far more interesting woman if you could.

ciao,
Gina M.

Drop the attitude.
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Lori

Quote from: AshleyMichelle on July 22, 2007, 11:29:12 PM
at this point in my life, the pain my going ft would cause others outweighs the benefits of finally being who i was born to be.  the older you get, the harder it is, and thats just mho.

i will go as far as i can within the confines that i have helped build.  in my situation, it just cant be all about me.  i wish it could, because i truly feel like i'm running out of time.  perhaps there really is some cosmic equity for the injustices we have on earth.  or maybe this is the one shot you have, and then thats it (although i dont really believe that).

or maybe i'm just drunk and depressed, and will go back to repression city in the morning.

Wow, I know exactly what you are talking about. Trying to be delicate about this process is an ever increasing task of trying to do the right thing for everybody. Time was a huge factor for me. I was simply running out. I also realised I was delaying the inevitable. Once I realised that, I decided why waste more time? If I am going to do it sooner or later I may as well get started and get it over with while I have a few good years left. Being 39 and tied up with kids and a spouse and a job seem like impossible hurdles. The older you get, the harder it gets. I agree with that 100%. Only you know if things will come to a head in the future and whether or not you will eventually pull the pin on that transition grenade. It actually takes less effort for me to give in then it did to keep fighting it and wondering. My mental state had gone awry, I was a zombie lost in some nether world stuck between a rock and a hard place. I just decided to change my outlook and move to another place. Now I am not stuck, but I do have a arduous journey ahead me no doubt, but I am no longer in a depressed limbo.


I realised that sooner or later it did have to be about me. I needed to get "well". I have lived my life for others for so long, giving and sharing and being what they wanted. Eventually you run out and need to refresh your reserves. Screw depression and screw being upset and sad. If people in my life do not understand that is their decision, not mine. If they want to tell me that this was "my choice", so be it. I didn't choose this. I am just playing out the hand that was dealt to me, and I hate losing so I am going to do my best and do it right. I didnt choose this anymore than an African American chose to be black. We are born the way we are and either we can accept it and move on, or deny and fight a losing battle and stay depressed because we are not getting anywhere. There is your choice. Now choose.
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Maud

Your attitude is targeted, mine is universal.
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Nero

Quote from: regina on July 22, 2007, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: Rachael on July 22, 2007, 07:21:57 PM
why NOT go ft asap? surely sooner = less pain? but this topic isnt about ft date, OR mauds sensitivity which is cronically low, by medical standards btw.

plus shes #chat staff, not forum staff, her forum ranting and raving is entirely out of hours ;)

Rachael,

Thanks, I've noticed the chronically low sensitivity of that person which is a sign that I don't want to 'chat' with them.
This is totally undignified of me, but I just spit my screwdriver all over the screen and am now rolling on the floor.
No offense to you Mawd, hon. I can be a real 'arse' at times too.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Nero

Quote from: regina on July 23, 2007, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 23, 2007, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: regina on July 22, 2007, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: Rachael on July 22, 2007, 07:21:57 PM
why NOT go ft asap? surely sooner = less pain? but this topic isnt about ft date, OR mauds sensitivity which is cronically low, by medical standards btw.

plus shes #chat staff, not forum staff, her forum ranting and raving is entirely out of hours ;)

Rachael,

Thanks, I've noticed the chronically low sensitivity of that person which is a sign that I don't want to 'chat' with them.
This is totally undignified of me, but I just spit my screwdriver all over the screen and am now rolling on the floor.
No offense to you Mawd, hon. I can be a real 'arse' at times too.

Oopsie, sounds like I owe you a screwdriver.

ciao bambino,
Gina M.
That's a date. ;)
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Maud

Quote from: regina on July 22, 2007, 10:30:48 PMFor some, who transition and are total narcissists, they don't think about that and just have the attitude that everyone has to adjust immediately or they aren't worth having in their life or that everyone else is a ->-bleeped-<- because they didn't totally understand from the get go.

You just described my personal attitude to transition perfectly, thankyou.


On a more serious note (even though I meant that) The thing is that I'm not really invested in this forum or any of you and tbh I have no reason to be, I have better things to do, if you can't deal with that then ignore me and get on with your life, getting in a tizzle over it is rather infantile and hints at underlying jealousy.

If my involvement with this forum was all about me I'd dictate my life to you all, however I just express my views and thoughts in the odd thread and how you can chastise me for doing that as a young transitioner who basically by their own admission had a cakewalk of a transition boggles my mind, I've never suggested that it's easy for everyone only that with the perspective I have gained I would have sacrificed everything to get to where I am now as maybe that may help people to have the courage to do something about their gender issues.

Quote from: regina on July 23, 2007, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: Mawd on July 23, 2007, 11:17:57 AM
Your attitude is targeted, mine is universal.

Your only universe is yourself, sweetie. That's painfully obvious from every post you make on this forum. But no one has to be that way and people do grow out it.

ciao,

Gina M.

Why thankyou for opening my eyes I was under the impression that my "universe" included my friends family and fellow students aka a real life, I'm sorry I don't let a bunch of TS's on a forum into my heart but that's simply something I will never do.
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Maud

You're welcome.


tbh I don't really remember pissing you off so this is a little weird, if you're blaming me for essentially not being emo then that's pretty messed up.

edit: just remembered you're ignoring me, so you can't read this, oh well.
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Nero

Quote from: Mawd on July 23, 2007, 01:29:49 PM
On a more serious note (even though I meant that) The thing is that I'm not really invested in this forum or any of you and tbh I have no reason to be, I have better things to do, if you can't deal with that then ignore me and get on with your life, getting in a tizzle over it is rather infantile and hints at underlying jealousy.
I don't know. Conversation is conversation, debate is debate, and I don't think just because someone has a 'tizzle' with you indicates jealously.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Kate

Quote from: regina on July 23, 2007, 03:20:55 PM
I just want to mention that, trying not to hurt others by not going forward with something you need to do (and only you can know that) is sometimes a sign others are being used as a crutch to not transition. That will hurt them more in the long run.

Wise words. I am living proof of this warning. Take note.

I don't think it was a crutch exactly, as I truly couldn't face (at first) the consequences of a transition. But I also, in the back of my mind, really knew I was just gathering up the courage to do it, trying to find a way around my (very valid) fears. And I knew someday I would. And eventually I did.

And the one complaint my wife now has is, "it's not that I don't understand that you had to do this, but why did you lie to me all those years and tell me you wouldn't do it then? Why couldn't you have just admitted to yourself you had to do this, and done it sooner? Then we both would have had more time to figure out what to do with the rest of our lives."

~Kate~

Posted on: July 23, 2007, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Nero on July 23, 2007, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: Mawd on July 23, 2007, 01:29:49 PM
On a more serious note (even though I meant that) The thing is that I'm not really invested in this forum or any of you and tbh I have no reason to be, I have better things to do, if you can't deal with that then ignore me and get on with your life, getting in a tizzle over it is rather infantile and hints at underlying jealousy.
I don't know. Conversation is conversation, debate is debate, and I don't think just because someone has a 'tizzle' with you indicates jealously.

And besides, a lot of this thread is all getting dangerously close to being personal attacks and challenging people rather than issues... can we please stick to topics?

~Kate~
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Fer

I never thought of transition as a choice.  Anyone that chooses to transition is mental.  I transitioned because I had no alternative.
The laws of God, the laws of man, He may keep that will and can; Not I. Let God and man decree Laws for themselves and not for me; And if my ways are not as theirs Let them mind their own affairs. - A. E. Housman
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Maud

Quote from: Nero on July 23, 2007, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: Mawd on July 23, 2007, 01:29:49 PM
On a more serious note (even though I meant that) The thing is that I'm not really invested in this forum or any of you and tbh I have no reason to be, I have better things to do, if you can't deal with that then ignore me and get on with your life, getting in a tizzle over it is rather infantile and hints at underlying jealousy.
I don't know. Conversation is conversation, debate is debate, and I don't think just because someone has a 'tizzle' with you indicates jealously.

I came to the conclusion due to a process of elimination, I don't ever remember pissing regina off and she goes off at me quite randomly for no real reason, usually i have to personally insult someone to provoke them into taking such an attitude.
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Lisbeth

Yes, of course transitioning is a choice.  For me it was a very simple two-way choice.  I could choose to transition, or I could choose to die.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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