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We really are a small community. Are we considered "tight knit?"

Started by Evelyn K, April 26, 2014, 03:46:41 AM

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Evelyn K

Sometimes I feel like we are the replicants in Blade Runner






Or the Mecha's in A.I. Artificial Intelligence.





We who look out for our own kind because we know how vulnerable we are. Just trying to blend in and avoid being put on the radar. As if that wasn't esoteric enough there's Blade Runner and A.I.'s promiscuously charged caricature of said artificial beings.

I can't imagine how hard it must have been to be trans and without the web. It must have been like lurking in dark corners and being in constant fear. And then we have a forum like Susans and YouTube to bring us all together in ways never before possible.

I'd be willing to bet half of us would never be on HRT if it wasn't for places like this to share, inspire, consolidate and corroborate important information.

But we're still a minority. Like exiles on our own island. So, are we really a tight knit community?
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Ms Grace

I bags being the Daryl Hannah replicant! She had some pretty mean thighs! ;)

Tightly knit in some sections, yes, but there are still many people who feel isolated for any number of reasons. And sadly even the tightly knit parts are still prone to savagely tearing themselves apart over pointless, petty squabbles. We're human, that's what humans do.

Having tried transition in the "dim dark days" before the internet really existed (1990) I can say transition for me with the web has been very different. The wealth of information at one's fingertips is fantastic - stuff that took me ages to research can be found in one sitting. But definitely having a place like Susan's has been pivotal. Being treated as a person, being able to be myself and called by the name I've chosen and be identified by the gender I identify as has been a bedrock for my transition. Knowing that I'm not alone and that there are so many others going through similar experiences gave me hope that I could make it work this time. Humanity is at its best when it can work together, not pull itself apart, that's what I love about this awesome little community despite the occasional ructions.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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fusstangtroy

Blade runner is one of mine most greatest movie ..Yes  how they just wanted to just live a normal life ,( what is normal ? ) For me being on hrt i thought i knew happiness but now i see in colors with my heart /eyes /and mind (before then it was black and white i just didn,t know it ) I am thinking that normal gender people will never connect or feel what i myself have felt so far .. There will be hard times for me but i will never doubt who and what i am .HAPPY AND AT PEACE eat your heart out world .. AKA Sara
Life begins at 50 ..  if the boys only knew what there missing being girl ! The worst day being girls is still best day i have ever had ..(oh yea)..If being rich in life is have friends i hope you will join !!
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Evelyn K

Quote from: fusstangtroy on April 26, 2014, 08:03:44 PM
Blade runner is one of mine most greatest movie ..Yes  how they just wanted to just live a normal life ,( what is normal ? ) For me being on hrt i thought i knew happiness but now i see in colors with my heart /eyes /and mind (before then it was black and white i just didn,t know it ) I am thinking that normal gender people will never connect or feel what i myself have felt so far .. There will be hard times for me but i will never doubt who and what i am .HAPPY AND AT PEACE eat your heart out world .. AKA Sara

^^
"I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate..."
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JamesG

While there are support groups on the internet like this one, and I'm sure some real life transgender support organization here an there. But. In my experience, no the T community is not tight knit.

Beyond the social taboo assigned to it which makes most T people secretive by nature, it seems to me that most are very individualistic and want to keep to themselves. They are either in the closet, or fully transitioned and so disinclined to identifying as trans.  I've tried to reach out to local transgendered people I've been able to make contact with (mostly online) but it has largely failed. People don't even seem to want to meet and get to know others much less formally organize into... whatever.  Of course I am not really plugged into the ALT/gay/swing scene either, so I could be missing something (I'm a plain vanilla suburban transgurl, I guess).

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Jill F

Quote from: JamesG on April 26, 2014, 08:33:55 PM
While there are support groups on the internet like this one, and I'm sure some real life transgender support organization here an there. But. In my experience, no the T community is not tight knit.

Beyond the social taboo assigned to it which makes most T people secretive by nature, it seems to me that most are very individualistic and want to keep to themselves. They are either in the closet, or fully transitioned and so disinclined to identifying as trans.   I've tried to reach out to local transgendered people I've been able to make contact with (mostly online) but it has largely failed. People don't even seem to want to meet and get to know others much less formally organize into... whatever.  Of course I am not really plugged into the ALT/gay/swing scene either, so I could be missing something (I'm a plain vanilla suburban transgurl, I guess).

Bam!  You nailed it.   This is something a lot of us need to get past.   Some transpeople never want to be seen with another transperson because it dramatically increases the likelihood of being clocked.  This is not the case with me, because I don't remotely care what random people think. 

The problem with this is that it hurts the advancement of our cause.  Too often the LGBs are willing to ignore the Ts and will sometimes throw us under the bus, whether consciously or not.  We really need all the help we can get, and we won't get it unless we stand together and make the right noises in unison.

/rant
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stephaniec

Quote from: Jill F on April 26, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Bam!  You nailed it.   This is something a lot of us need to get past.   Some transpeople never want to be seen with another transperson because it dramatically increases the likelihood of being clocked.  This is not the case with me, because I don't remotely care what random people think. 

The problem with this is that it hurts the advancement of our cause.  Too often the LGBs are willing to ignore the Ts and will sometimes throw us under the bus, whether consciously or not.  We really need all the help we can get, and we won't get it unless we stand together and make the right noises in unison.

/rant
ditto
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Michelle69

Quote from: Jill F on April 26, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Bam!  You nailed it.   This is something a lot of us need to get past.   Some transpeople never want to be seen with another transperson because it dramatically increases the likelihood of being clocked.  This is not the case with me, because I don't remotely care what random people think. 

The problem with this is that it hurts the advancement of our cause.  Too often the LGBs are willing to ignore the Ts and will sometimes throw us under the bus, whether consciously or not.  We really need all the help we can get, and we won't get it unless we stand together and make the right noises in unison.

/rant

1 in 30,000 mtf. 1 in 100,000 ftm.

Noises in unison indeed. Jill, you hit it. Why should anyone listen to this rediculous minority if we do not stand together?
Alone our voices are lost.
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Evelyn K

Are those stats accurate? I've seen several figures on the web, but I can't help but really wonder how many of us are more pervasively in the closet than your average LGB.

It would be heartening to know if it is.
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kelly_aus

I don't think we are a tight knit community at all. The local community here in Adelaide sure has it's issues and recent events here have shown some division..

I have almost nothing to do with the trans community except online. Here, a chat I help Mod and some FB stuff.. Why? Little in common apart from being trans.. And, even then, my attitude towards being trans is way different to most.. So I just wandered off and got on with my life.. I do see others sometimes when I'm out and about, but I don't make a habit of it.. I've gotten lost in a sea of lesbians - which was always kind of the aim..
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JulieBlair

Seattle has several trans support meetings and during Gay Pride week there is a Trans Pride March.  In addition in three weeks there is Esprit, where we take over a major hotel for a week, have girl 101 classes, fellowship and dance the night away.  For me the meetings are a mixed bag, there can be a lot of negativity and unlike the web you can't really avoid it and still participate.  This will be my first trip to Esprit, but the Trans Pride march two years ago was the first time I did anything as Julie, and the first time I felt gender accepted ever.

Before the world wide web I was alone, isolated, unsure and afraid.  Until not that long ago I could not admit to anyone, much less myself that I was gender queer much less trans.  So yes, there is community here (Seattle) and while supportive it isn't demanding or suffocating.  All of you at Susan's are here for me 7/24, when I can't sleep at three in the morning till I fall into bed  at night.  I feel a part of, sometimes helpful, and always accepted even though I am old, even though I am unsure.  It that sense this is closely knit and totally available.  That we rarely or never see other, and I can only psychically give you a hug or celebrate your achievements is something I miss.  But I wouldn't trade my here and now for all my yesterdays.
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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Michelle69

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 26, 2014, 09:55:57 PM
Are those stats accurate? I've seen several figures on the web, but I can't help but really wonder how many of us are more pervasively in the closet than your average LGB.

It would be heartening to know if it is.

Does it matter Evelyn? Honestly,  can there be a more under represented group?
At what point in time do we say,"I AM HERE!!!"?
I see your point. I do. We will still be bleeding, no mater the numbers.
I just want to live a normal life. How many of us have reached the other side and just wanted to blend in? How easy is it to forget?
The lure is so great that I would never hold it against anyone. You are all so wonderful, I will cry tears of joy when you can put this behind you and LIVE, in harmony, mind and body.
The class of 2015, 2016, 2017 and so on will still be fighting.
Gay, bi, different races and creeds last a lifetime. We last only as long as we have to. And, oh how I understand this.
The circle continues.
When does it end?

When do we become a viable people to to the world?
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JamesG

We need to think bigger than than Mikaela.  Instead of becoming an even more distinct, insular sub-group, society overall needs to be more encompassing and accepting. I think American culture, with all its flaws and failings, is on the way to doing that, where it doesn't matter what your... whatever is. You are just a person.

Quote from: JulieBlair on April 26, 2014, 10:12:11 PM
Seattle has several trans support meetings and during Gay Pride week there is a Trans Pride March.  In addition in three weeks there is Esprit, where we take over a major hotel for a week, have girl 101 classes, fellowship and dance the night away. 

Yeah, Atlanta up the road from here is the same,  in fact there is a annual transgender convention held there (name of which has slipped out of my head...).

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Before the world wide web I was alone, isolated, unsure and afraid.  Until not that long ago I could not admit to anyone, much less myself that I was gender queer much less trans.

Yes, the connectivity and information sharing of the internet has definitely been what the military calls a "force multiplier" to the trans community.  It has enabled those who would otherwise be lost (sometimes literally) to find themselves.
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Evelyn K

Quote from: Mikaela on April 26, 2014, 10:36:08 PM
Does it matter Evelyn? Honestly,  can there be a more under represented group?
At what point in time do we say,"I AM HERE!!!"?
I see your point. I do. We will still be bleeding, no mater the numbers.
I just want to live a normal life. How many of us have reached the other side and just wanted to blend in? How easy is it to forget?
The lure is so great that I would never hold it against anyone. You are all so wonderful, I will cry tears of joy when you can put this behind you and LIVE, in harmony, mind and body.
The class of 2015, 2016, 2017 and so on will still be fighting.
Gay, bi, different races and creeds last a lifetime. We last only as long as we have to. And, oh how I understand this.
The circle continues.
When does it end?

When do we become a viable people to to the world?

You may have a point. Just think - how many are so successful at blending that they choose to remain stealthy even on census orientation polling.

I guess we'll never know.
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Ms Grace

Quote from: kelly_aus on April 26, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
I've gotten lost in a sea of lesbians - which was always kind of the aim..
That is a sea I want to get lost in too... ;)
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 26, 2014, 03:46:41 AMSo, are we really a tight knit community?

No way. Most trans people I know IRL don't want anything to do with other trans people.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Evelyn K

^^^ And probably because trying to pass by yourself is hard enough. With two or more there's just more room for (error) and attracting unwanted scrutiny.
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: suzifrommd on April 27, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
No way. Most trans people I know IRL don't want anything to do with other trans people.

I would hang out with trans people that I had something in common with (music, etc). Otherwise, forget it.
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katiej

Being tight-knit isn't really possible when a lot of your members are hiding (pre and post transition).

We all have this one big thing in common, but our stories and backgrounds are all so different.  As someone else said, we don't really have that much in common other than the process of acceptance and transition that pulls us together until we're done and ready to move on.


Quote from: Mikaela on April 26, 2014, 09:50:08 PM
1 in 30,000 mtf. 1 in 100,000 ftm.

I'm a numbers girl, and these don't seem right.  350 million people in the US, 49% male = 175 million males.  If you use the 1:30,000 ratio, that would be only 5,700 MTF's in the country.  And my understanding is that there are more like 50-100,000 MTF's in the US who have already transitioned, based on surgery numbers and data from therapists.

I read somewhere that it could be as many as 1 in 250 males are transgender, and only a small portion of those ever transition.  If that's true, and only 15% ever transition, that would put the number at 100k MTF's in America.  And that seems about right.  And that would mean the ratio is that 1 in 1,750 males in the US eventually transitions.

It would seem that something that common would be better understood, but it all comes back to stealth and blending in.  Many of our best and brightest are invisible.  It hurts our cause, but I totally get why they do it.  Not everyone wants to be an activist.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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Beverly

Quote from: Jill F on April 26, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Bam!  You nailed it.   This is something a lot of us need to get past.   Some transpeople never want to be seen with another transperson because it dramatically increases the likelihood of being clocked

Yep! That is me!

I spent a LOT a time and effort doing my best to blend in. Why would I want to undo that and "out" myself?  Undermine years of work and effort?

I go out with trans people in trans places, but not in everyday locations.
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