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Sounding female: quite easy, don't you think?!

Started by KayXo, April 28, 2014, 02:29:37 PM

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KayXo

April 28, 2014, 02:29:37 PM
Here is a sample of my voice.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1iTXhXCMVGj

I explain the technique on how to sound female. This is without any effort at this point. If you utter "Mmmmm", and can feel the vibration in your upper chest, then you are not doing it properly. No vibration should be felt, AT ALL!

I do have an accent...my first language is French. :)

I have to thank Lena, a transwoman on this forum at some point, for helping me figure this out. :)
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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NIP

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April 28, 2014, 03:13:06 PM
I don't find it easy. I've made a lot of progress over the last week after much stagnation, but commanding just the muscles above the adam's apple is not nearly as easy for me as you suggest. Neither does holding the adam's apple as high as possible actually seem to correlate directly with a female sound (and this is while I think I've eliminated the muscles between trachea and chest), but instead my most female sound so far has actually happened when my adam's apple was about a centimetre below it's apex (but nonetheless way above where it is in normal male mode). I also have trouble squeezing the trachea laterally with my muscles, which I believe is also an important step, to reduce the size of the piriform sinuses. What I'm doing at the moment is glides down from C5 as the sound I make up there seems most female. My muscles just seem to arrange themselves properly up there with a little conscious attention to the height of the adam's apple.
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KayXo

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April 28, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
Quote from: NIP on April 28, 2014, 03:13:06 PM
Neither does holding the adam's apple as high as possible

I just use the muscles above it. I don't focus on holding the adams apple as high as possible even though those muscles naturally lift the adams apple up and backwards.

Anyways, for me, it came quite easy and now, it's almost second nature.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Hideyoshi

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April 28, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1j0UrrRs4YO

I THINK I sound okay, as this voice passes online in games that allow voice, and this is my response to your post. I didn't realize that I was doing the vibration thing you mentioned. I don't feel it anywhere below my adam's apple.
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KayXo

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April 28, 2014, 07:41:29 PM
Hideyoshi,

I'll be honest with you and tell you that your voice sounds unnatural. It seems you're forcing it too much and speaking from your nose. Mickey mousey, nasal...my point here is not to be rude, on the contrary, I want to help you...so it's constructive criticism. Please don't take it in the wrong way. Your voice also doesn't match your face. You need to tone it down, I think and just speak from the upper half of your throat, if that helps in understanding it a little better. :)

I really hope I didn't offend you. I want to help, remember this.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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NIP

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April 29, 2014, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: KayXo on April 28, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
I just use the muscles above it. I don't focus on holding the adams apple as high as possible even though those muscles naturally lift the adams apple up and backwards.

Anyways, for me, it came quite easy and now, it's almost second nature.

Could you explain where abouts your adam's apple is when you talk? How far up, how far back (relative to where it was in your previous voice, if you can remember)? And is there any tenseness in the muscles between the larynx and your chin tip? Eliminating the latter but keeping the adam's apple sufficently raised is proving difficult for me. I think I over-use the anterior belley of the digastric muscle when swallowing, and as I used this as a starting point for practicing keeping my larynx raised, it's difficult to eliminate it in my efforts now.
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KayXo

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April 30, 2014, 08:18:25 AM
Actually, I realized that when I speak it's barely lifted. I just naturally use those muscles just above the adams apple now, never using those under. You're overthinking the whole thing...I think. It's really very simple. ;)
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Ataraxia

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April 30, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: KayXo on April 28, 2014, 07:41:29 PM
Hideyoshi,

I'll be honest with you and tell you that your voice sounds unnatural. It seems you're forcing it too much and speaking from your nose. Mickey mousey, nasal...my point here is not to be rude, on the contrary, I want to help you...so it's constructive criticism. Please don't take it in the wrong way. Your voice also doesn't match your face. You need to tone it down, I think and just speak from the upper half of your throat, if that helps in understanding it a little better. :)

I really hope I didn't offend you. I want to help, remember this.

Her voice sounds fine to me.
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