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Started by sad panda, May 13, 2014, 04:44:16 AM

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sad panda

Why do people want to keep living life?

It's dumb. You don't even get a choice to not live.

People are really bad and they won't even let you get away from them... it's hard when you always have to be reminded how disgusting of a thing you are... why is every day so freaking long, I swear
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JulieBlair

Hope.  Maybe faith.  Sometimes belief.  Sometimes wonder. For me writing and trying to not be a secret. 

Most people aren't "bad" mostly they are a little careless, somewhat oblivious, and self absorbed.  When it comes. down to it I am all that I have.  All that I can count on at four o'clock in the morning in a hotel room away from home, like now.  Except that isn't really true, because I have you too.

Two weeks ago I went to a play and dinner with someone I love.  Someone whose life and my life are no longer joined.  I found myself throwing up in a parking garage on a Saturday afternoon, and wanting to die, just wanting it to stop.  I was cold sober and not ill, but I was desperately, desperately alone, defeated and without a glimmer of hope.

When I am in that dark and desolate place, is when I both know that my death is in my control, and that the choice to live is one I make every day.  That is my purgatory. This week I am at a trans-convention in Port Angeles Washington.  There are some workshops here that I wanted to attend, and that I will attend.  I just don't feel so damn perky.  I'm not sure I relate to these women very well.  Some of them are giddy with the joy of fellowship and being out as girls in daylight.  I'm not.

Perhaps I need to submerge myself in the sisterhood if I can, but I am having a really hard time doing that.  I always have a hard time doing that but I will try.  None of us here are disgusting, we are trying.  Trying against all odds to live authentically.  Trying against all reason to live with joy in our eyes.  I have had times of joy.  Holding my daughter when she was small. Falling in love, even when I knew that love is often ephemeral for me.  Doing service work in soup kitchens and AA meetings. Reading of ideas from geniuses which span time and space.

What is true for me is that whether my internal talk will lead me to the brink of dissolution, or into the sunlight of the spirit, is more dependent on what level of connectedness I feel than on objective reality.  I crave, I need connections.  That is the point of Susan's for me.  That is the point of therapy, of trans-conferences.  That is why I am out, trying to live my days as openly as I can, trying not to be afraid.

I do not always succeed.  If I had killed myself two weeks ago would not have been a tragedy in my eyes, It would have stilled the voices, quieted the anguish.  It would have also been supremely stupid and self centered.  Until you have cleaned up the mess that results when someone you care about has blown out their brains, you really can not grasp the enormity of that level of selfishness.

So my friend, you are not alone in your existential panda pondering.  I do it, so do a lot of us.  Something I have learned is that eventually the sun will come up. Sometimes it takes a little antidepressant chemistry, sometimes just a sense of wonder.  Do you remember seeing your first butterfly or grass hopper as a child?  I do.  Do you remember being held by someone you were crazy in love with?  I do.  These are the memories that get me through the late night sadness.  These are the memories that give me the strength to seek out experiences that might make more of them.  These are the thoughts that make the day not seem so long.

I wish you well my friend,

Julie
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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Heather

You do have a choice to whether you live or not. Like you have a choice to spend your time on earth sad because of all the challenges of life. Some of us love life despite the hardships and challenges. Maybe you should try to get out and live some maybe you'll find it's not all that bad. Then maybe what will get you sad is not the fact you have to live but the fact that one day you won't be around to live. :)
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helen2010

Sad Panda

A human life is a rare gift.  It is an opportunity for you to express your essence and your spirit in a dance and interplay with all others blessed to be human.  Please don't reject this opportunity.  You are too important to the rest of us.  A void where once you danced and played is not something to visit on those who love and are here for you

Be well

Aisla
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helen2010

Julie

You have a rare way with words.  You capture our experience so very well.  I wish you well.  From my years in the North West there is much beauty to admire and to love on the ferry to Port Angeles.  You are blessed to live in such a beautiful part of the World.

'Trying to live with joy' in our heart as we learn what it means to be authentic is a non trivial undertaking but your insight, struggles, sharing and support helps more than you know.  Thank you.

Aisla
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Jill F

I was there once upon a time.  I was about ready to check out myself once, but depression is treatable, manageable and even curable.  Sometimes if your hormones are out of whack, your receptors just do not release the right neurotransimtters and endorphines.

This isn't your fault, it is physiological.  Please see a medical professional ASAP.   I suffered needlessly for years, and hate to see others suffer as well.

I'm fine now and enjoy every minute I am blessed with.
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JulieBlair

Aisla,
I just finished a 10k jog along the waterfront in bright sunshine, and had a good breakfast. Life is good at times like this.  See you one day in OZ,

Julie
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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sad panda

Well I slept it off. Well not off because I still feel that way. Honestly I was going to end it last night. I was so in the grip. When i get like that I just have fun ruining everything i care about. But... even when I'm not like that, I still only wanna keep going because I feel like I have to so other people won't be hurt.

I just hear you guys saying that life actually is good and you can be ok... why? What makes it good?? I can never seem to get caught up in anything for long. Everything already feels so dead to me.
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Heather

Quote from: sad panda on May 13, 2014, 12:52:21 PM
Well I slept it off. Well not off because I still feel that way. Honestly I was going to end it last night. I was so in the grip. When i get like that I just have fun ruining everything i care about. But... even when I'm not like that, I still only wanna keep going because I feel like I have to so other people won't be hurt.

I just hear you guys saying that life actually is good and you can be ok... why? What makes it good?? I can never seem to get caught up in anything for long. Everything already feels so dead to me.
It's so bad because your spending all your time focusing on your problems instead of actually living. Sure life has problems it's how you handle them that determines your level of happiness. Instead of thinking about how you don't fit in or any other negative feelings you are having get out there and live and have fun. As long as your surounding yourself in negative feelings your only going to make yourself feel worse.
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Jill F

Happiness can be viewed as a biochemical reaction.  Part of it is an interplay between levels of endorphines, serotonin and dopamine.  I lived needlessly for years being "a quart low on happy".  Depression is a treatable medical condition.  Therapy and talk can only do so much for trauma, but sorting things out with the aid of medications can be very effective.  Please see a specialist for this.

Hugs,
Jill
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sad panda

Quote from: Heather on May 13, 2014, 12:58:39 PM
It's so bad because your spending all your time focusing on your problems instead of actually living. Sure life has problems it's how you handle them that determines your level of happiness. Instead of thinking about how you don't fit in or any other negative feelings you are having get out there and live and have fun. As long as your surounding yourself in negative feelings your only going to make yourself feel worse.

You can't always choose to surround yourself in them... they follow me everyhwere. My brain is obsessed with them. I can be doing the most amazing thing and at least half of me will still be in this dead, miserable gap in the universe. I can't find the half that is good, happy, and fun, it just all rolls over me. I remember the prettiest moment in my recent life, at disney world, seeing the fireworks at dusk with the only person who has ever truly cared about me, almost present, almost letting go of everything. Even then this deadness was there.... I couldn't feel it the way i wanted to.

Quote from: Jill F on May 13, 2014, 01:00:49 PM
Happiness can be viewed as a biochemical reaction.  Part of it is an interplay between levels of endorphines, serotonin and dopamine.  I lived needlessly for years being "a quart low on happy".  Depression is a treatable medical condition.  Therapy and talk can only do so much for trauma, but sorting things out with the aid of medications can be very effective.  Please see a specialist for this.

Hugs,
Jill

Thanks. I know I must need a new antidepressant and an anti psychotic, I am gonna try to get a referal to a pdoc. Or maybe just start taking my wellbutrin again, that would be nice if I didn't have any obligations...
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JulieBlair

"I remember the prettiest moment in my recent life, at disney world, seeing the fireworks at dusk with the only person who has ever truly cared about me"

Two quick things, and then I'll leave you in peace.

This is a lovely image, the darkness need not intrude - that is a choice you make, but only one that you can make once your system is in balance.  You have more such visions inside you if you look for them.

You have people here who truly care for you.  Your posts often explore the darkness, a darkness that I am intimately familiar with.  Sometimes it feels to me that because you have been there I don't have to follow.  One day I hope you share with me the light also.  One without the other is incomplete.  I would like to know you in joy.

Hugs,
Julie
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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