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Transgender sets the record straight with Rush Limbaugh

Started by Shantel, May 30, 2014, 09:42:00 AM

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Shantel

A trans woman called in to the Rush Limbaugh radio show and set the record straight, this is a transcript directly from the Limbaugh website of that conversation.

Transgender Says "->-bleeped-<-" is Offensive
May 29, 2014

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Tina, Colorado Springs, Colorado.  Hi.  Welcome to the program.
 
CALLER:  Thanks for having me on, Rush.  I really appreciate it.

RUSH: You're more than welcome.  It's great to have you here.

CALLER:  When I heard you this morning, you know, one thing that jumped right out at me was when you used the Scalia quote about gay marriage, to say that this is gonna lead to all kinds of other implied bad things, and then you linked ->-bleeped-<- in, you know, getting our rights in with that.  You know, that really alerted me that I wanted to talk to you.

RUSH:  Now, wait.  No, no, wait, I was reading from TIME Magazine.

CALLER:  Oh.

RUSH:  "Nearly a year after the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage, another social movement is poised to challenge deeply held cultural beliefs."  It's a whole story in TIME Magazine called "The Transgender Tipping Point," and it is they who discuss the Scalia Supreme Court ruling and what he meant, and they say he was right. Now doors are wide open.

CALLER:  Well, I'm really glad to hear that you are not, you know, saying that transgender rights is a bad thing that conservatives should oppose.

RUSH:  Oh, no, I've been for trannies for a long time.  I don't know if you've heard otherwise.

CALLER:  Yeah.  Well, actually I did hear you using that term, and a lot of us do find that to be rather offensive, because of the way it's been historically used.

RUSH:  Oh, I didn't know that.  ->-bleeped-<- is offensive?

CALLER:  Yeah.  It's kind of an argument, and RuPaul has taken a position.

RUSH:  I heard Alec Baldwin use the term, you know, when he was in trouble because he has made a lot of homophobic comments.

CALLER:  Right.  Yeah.

RUSH:  He wrote this big apologia that ran in one of the New York area publications. He used the term "->-bleeped-<-" as though it were hip and an inside baseball term that made him cool with the transgender community.

CALLER:  Yeah.  You know that is kind of the minority viewpoint on it, is that we're reclaiming that word like black people use the N-word. 

RUSH:  Okay, so you --

CALLER:  But a lot of us are genuinely fighting for our rights. We hear "->-bleeped-<-" as a joke on Two and a Half Men, and we hear "->-bleeped-<-" as a joke, as a derisive term all over the place.

RUSH:  Oh.

CALLER:  And so we don't really appreciate it.  We would rather be called trans or transpeople or transmen or transwomen for sure.

RUSH:  All right.  I didn't know.  I thought it was cool and hip.  You're telling me it's like the N-word, except do you all use it amongst yourselves?

CALLER:  In certain context.  Like I will use it when I'm talking about the way somebody else sees me.

RUSH:  Yeah.

CALLER:  I'll say something like, "They don't want a ->-bleeped-<- working there."

RUSH:  Well, how do people know you're a ->-bleeped-<-?

CALLER:  Well, a lot of them don't, and that certainly leads to part of the problem.  You know, people have this fear that they're gonna get attracted to somebody who turns out to be a ->-bleeped-<-.  And one of the things about being transgender is that whatever somebody's sexual preference is, you're not it.  You know, gay men don't want anything to do with effeminate types. And straight men don't want to have anything to do with people that have got, you know, the wrong plumbing or wrong history. And, you know, lesbian women are interested in certain things that are just never gonna be the same no matter how much surgery you have.

RUSH:  Yeah.

CALLER:  So that definitely is a problem.  People often think that I'm going around trying to trick people, and so I will often, if I'm going to a bar --
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ZoeM

And possibly more notable, Rush was kinda not rude (at least based on the transcript) - he didn't try to shout her down or anything. :)
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Jill F

You should hear what he called an FTM.  I won't repeat it here.
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suzifrommd

Still, this is SO not what I expected to read in this post. People DO change their ideas when the educate themselves. I never assume someone won't be an ally.
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ZoeM

'Course, he did come up with 'choppadikoffomy' (which I'm amused by, at least).
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Shantel

I find it interesting though that one of the most opinionated and occasionally exasperatingly rude personalities is open to learning something about the transgender community that he has no knowledge of and does it in such a polite and civil manner rather than walking all over his guest. If he can do it then there is hope that the rest of society can do the same.
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GinaDouglas

It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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ZoeM

Huh.

So, Gina - what's your take on it/on him? Did you think he was positive or negative when you called?
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GinaDouglas

First, I want to give Rush credit for letting me on the first place.  It's not like Rachel Maddow is going to get all outraged about trans-rights and have me on, or Chris Matthews is going to have me on to discuss how trans-people are shunned by the politics of the nation.  Shantel hit it on the head with her comment.

I think Rush initially may have thought he was going to be patronizing and let me make a fool of myself.  But when he found me to be articulate and intelligent, we had a real conversation.  Since I called him to educate him, and his audience, about trans-issues, including his use of the word "->-bleeped-<-", I wasn't offended that he used the term, and give me the opening to address it.

If you look at the full transcript (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/05/29/transgender_says_->-bleeped-<-_is_offensive), after I was off the air, he got a little patronizing, rhetorically asking whether I would have taken offense to the word "trans-fat."
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Shantel

Gina, it's really you....how cool and exciting that you're here and able to comment in person!
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suzifrommd

Quote from: GinaDouglas on May 30, 2014, 11:21:57 AM
The entire audio is available here: http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/05/29/transgender-caller-condemns-limbaugh-for-using/199505

If I had to characterize Limbaugh in one word during this recording, I'd say "nervous". Like he was afraid of saying something offensive. He seemed genuinely unhappy he'd used the T-word that was considered an epithet.

Once again, very surprised. Not the Rush Limbaugh in the sound bites I've heard through the years.
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Ltl89

Seems very out of character, but I'll take it.  Even though trans rights/politics often becomes a right vs left wing thing, it really shouldn't be that way as the issue should transcend usual partisan politics.  If we can get to that point, I'll be very happy.
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LizMarie

Rush is trying to change because after his disastrous misogynistic rant against Sandra Fluke, he's lost over 3200 advertisers and counting. He's fallen to 39th place in the Los Angeles market and has fallen similarly in other major markets. And it's finally having an effect on his rhetoric, although perhaps too late. I, for one, would not be sad to see Rush depart the air waves.
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GinaDouglas

I think Rush is used to callers either worshiping him, or being confrontational.  I think I put him off his guard by taking his same kind of folksy-expert persona he adopts.  Ironically, some young-gun trashed me on HuffPost for not being sufficiently well-spoken or confrontational.

I don't agree with Rush, but I like him.  He's mean in a funny way, and not fundamentally evil like Savage or Hannity; and I am rooting for Rush to hang on, because when he is gone, somebody much worse is going to take his place.

The Huffington Post is not letting me comment on their article, because I am trying to post that I was the caller, and they are reporting it wrong. So, ironically, an icon of the right gave me a platform, and an icon of the left is censoring my free-speech.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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BunnyBee

Pleasantly surprised by how this conversation seems to have gone.
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Emo


Quote from: GinaDouglas on May 31, 2014, 10:43:42 AM
I think Rush is used to callers either worshiping him, or being confrontational.  I think I put him off his guard by taking his same kind of folksy-expert persona he adopts.  Ironically, some young-gun trashed me on HuffPost for not being sufficiently well-spoken or confrontational.

I don't agree with Rush, but I like him.  He's mean in a funny way, and not fundamentally evil like Savage or Hannity; and I am rooting for Rush to hang on, because when he is gone, somebody much worse is going to take his place.

The Huffington Post is not letting me comment on their article, because I am trying to post that I was the caller, and they are reporting it wrong. So, ironically, an icon of the right gave me a platform, and an icon of the left is censoring my free-speech.
So wait... The left wanted you to be more confrontational to give rush what he "deserved"?

If you were confrontational i think you would have been shut down and made a fool of like everyone else who use their voice in that manner.
I think you did a great job and educated a lot of people. We still have a lot of work to do but we're getting there.
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Emo

I just read the rest of the transcript... He pulled a d*** move.
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ashley_thomas

Quote from: GinaDouglas on May 31, 2014, 10:43:42 AM
I think Rush is used to callers either worshiping him, or being confrontational.  I think I put him off his guard by taking his same kind of folksy-expert persona he adopts.  Ironically, some young-gun trashed me on HuffPost for not being sufficiently well-spoken or confrontational.

I don't agree with Rush, but I like him.  He's mean in a funny way, and not fundamentally evil like Savage or Hannity; and I am rooting for Rush to hang on, because when he is gone, somebody much worse is going to take his place.

The Huffington Post is not letting me comment on their article, because I am trying to post that I was the caller, and they are reporting it wrong. So, ironically, an icon of the right gave me a platform, and an icon of the left is censoring my free-speech.

Very well said
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ZoeM

Quote from: ashley_thomas on May 31, 2014, 12:15:12 PM
Very well said
I'm not at all surprised that Rush was more permissive of free speech than HuffPo, to be honest. From what I can see the political Left has reached the point in most debates where they'd rather shut down the opponent than, y'know, debate them - see the ridiculous number of commencement speaker protests - while the Right is at the point where it's easy to adopt the underdogs-must-be-nice mentality. It's about viewpoint dominance, and with one viewpoint increasingly dominant I think things will just keep trending in this direction.

No offense meant to Left-leaning folks; I'm just describing the groups in general, not specific people.
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GinaDouglas

Quote from: Emo on May 31, 2014, 11:45:08 AM
So wait... The left wanted you to be more confrontational to give rush what he "deserved"?

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It frustrates me to no end when people who are not strong enough communicators, go on media and try to explain something that they may be living, without using the correct terminology. You say you are opposed to the use of the 'T' word but yet you go ahead and use it several times and also allow the Rush to use it without confronting him about it.

Much like the gay community has done, I think the Transgendered community need to look into having a few media savvy individuals that are responsible for going on national media to articulate their position effectively. I think a Janet Mock or Lavern Cox type of person would be ideal for that.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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