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Started by Jared, June 05, 2014, 07:19:52 AM

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Jared

I might be a special kind of idiot cause I've never heard this from anyone. I switched to Androgel and it makes really hard to sleep for me. It makes me restless, I always have to do something while I'm really tired of not sleeping.  ??? Told it to my doc and asked if I could be back on injections for the rest of the month cause I'm graduating college soon and not sleeping makes studying effectiveless. He said he can't prescribe anything until the time expires and the gel is used. He's not a big help on this so please share your thoughts if you have any. I know I supposed to apply it in the morning and I'm having problems with this, there are days when I wake up around noon and there are days when early. I can't really change that until graduation, I don't know if it makes any difference. I tried to only apply the half of it, it was even worse. I haven't sleep a good 8 hours for a week and I have no idea what to do, timing couldn't be worse. Sorry for this mess, and thanks everything in advance.
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AnneB

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I wasn't going to reply but then thot .. hey.. it might help..

I was on AG 1.62 for almost 8months, try to stay... fit in.. play my part.. anyway.. I hated it!  Turned me into Shrek, the sleeplessness was just part of it, and I had that for several years. Guess it was part of the low T thing.  But to answer .. yes.. AG can cause sleeplessness.

But an additional warning, take it for what its worth.. nearly every TV channel has some sort of lawyer commercial for AG damages, heart attack, stroke, death.. not trying to scare you, dude, just..  tell your doc that you -need- to get off it and on something else because of complications. Its BS that you need to let the script expire before he can write one for something else.  Tell your doc the AG is really negatively affecting you. And tell him of all the lawyer commercials about the side effects. Doctors hate litigation.

I wish you luck!

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Emerson

Try some melatonin at night?
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Klaus

I agree with Paula Christine, at the very least I'd tell him you're going to have to get a second opinion if he won't take you off the gel as it's seriously inhibiting your daily function. That seems to be the magical phrase for doctors. I'm not on T yet, but my partner is and I've had prescriptions for some pretty heavily controlled meds in the past. I've never had an issue with getting a prescription switched prior to expiration, especially if it's having such a serious impact on your health. That sounds... somewhat odd to me. 

Your situation may be completely unrelated, but I do know that the pharmacies in our area had several long "shortages" of injectable testosterone. At one point, we were told in a roundabout way that it's done to force people into buying the much more expensive, albeit riskier, gel. Whether that's true or not, a lot of medical professionals don't exactly seem to be itching to take people off of androgel, meaning you may have to be more persistent about the negative side effects.

As for the sleeplessness, melatonin has worked for me as well but I've heard it can be dangerous for some people on testosterone, so check first. This is probably not going to be of much help since your issue is related to a medication, but also make sure you're off any electronics or other sources of artificial light for a good half hour before you sleep. It gives the brain a fighting chance at returning to normal circadian rhythms, and it certainly won't hurt your ability to fall asleep.

Good luck on all fronts!
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Jared

Paula Christine: thanks for your reply, however I'm a bit confused. You said you were on the gel for about 8 months and you had sleeplessnes for several years. Are you sure the gel caused it or made it worse? I'm also not  a good sleeper, so I use melatonin sometimes and it worked for me, since I use Androgel nothing seems to work. So thanks for the suggestion I already tried that. I don't like the idea that a medication has a side effect that I need another medication for that. I had no idea about the commercials, where I live we don't have even this type of commercial.
Another mail came back from my doc saying he can prescribe me the injection I was on, but only on the full price which is almost as much as a monthly rent for the flat I live in. I'm not able to pay that much.
For the second opinion part, he's the only doc who works with me, where I live, to start HRT you have to have a hysto, which I don't have. Most doctors believe we'll get cancer if we start T without hysto, he's one of the few who doesn't. I'm stuck with him for a while, which isn't a problem, only this situation sucks, and I expected more of him.
Yesterday I slept 9 hours and I hope it will continue and my body just needed to adjust to the new form of T.
Thank you everyone for your replies!
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AnneB

Jared, yes.I had sleeplessness prior but the AG made it worse as well as the general anger issues it gave me.  It may be different for you but me.. it was bad, was happy to get off it and finally go the real way.  And meletonin ... omg, I've never seen such colors when I was awake!!  But it would put me out for 4solid hours.

As for the commercials, here in the US they are on all the time.  There have been many heart attacks and strokes from the T gels.  No scaring intended but did your doc give you the AG side effects list?

Wishing you luck!
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Jared

Ok thanks I get it now. The only bad thing for me is sleeplessness, but I can imagine being worse for you. Congrats on going the real way :)
He didn't actually gave me the list, it was in the box, I read that but it didn't say sleeplessness, that's why I made this thread. In the meantime one of my friends told me that he knows a person who had the same problem. And you of course. I needed to know it's not just in my head, so thanks for the replies.
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Greeneyedrebel

Quote from: Jared on June 06, 2014, 03:41:15 PM
Ok thanks I get it now. The only bad thing for me is sleeplessness, but I can imagine being worse for you. Congrats on going the real way :)
He didn't actually gave me the list, it was in the box, I read that but it didn't say sleeplessness, that's why I made this thread. In the meantime one of my friends told me that he knows a person who had the same problem. And you of course. I needed to know it's not just in my head, so thanks for the replies.

I can understand a *perhaps* scenario where a doc may be worried a person *in general* might double dip, injection and gel. Or sell one RX.

Maybe bring the remainder of the AG to the doc, like turning it in for disposal.

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Jared

What's RX?  ::) Sorry, english isn't my native language. I got off from AG, not exactly the way I'd like to but oh well. It took about 3-4 days to reboot my sleeping habits xD
Thanks again for all the comments! :)
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Greeneyedrebel

Quote from: Jared on June 18, 2014, 01:06:55 PM
What's RX?  ::) Sorry, english isn't my native language. I got off from AG, not exactly the way I'd like to but oh well. It took about 3-4 days to reboot my sleeping habits xD
Thanks again for all the comments! :)

I can't tell English isn't your native language, so grats on that!

RX is an American/English shorthand for 'prescription'.
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aleon515

I'm sorry, Paula, but I would not go by what a MTF says on this. Why? Because you are a woman and no woman wants male hormones. I would HATE to take estrogen! It won't fit and will make you feel less like yourself.

I also doubt IM T is safer than gel. T has cardiovascular risks, we are all told this. Ambulance ->-bleeped-<- ads. There are many valuable meds are chased by insurance companies. I know of the drug Depakote which treats seizures nothing else works for. They are (or were) running ads for that.

That all said for the OP, did you switch from IM? It's possible you are absorbing the gel BETTER than the IM. I mean we are all individuals. I take the compounding cream and love it. I have heard of people taking T having trouble sleeping. I think if you don't have a lto of time to mess around with it, you should go back to IM. Otherwise you could have T levels done and see what's going on. I think melatonin works with some guys. I am much more peppy on T, but that's just T in general I think. I don't sleep as long.

--Jay
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Jared

Quote from: Greeneyedrebel on June 18, 2014, 01:41:55 PM
I can't tell English isn't your native language, so grats on that!

RX is an American/English shorthand for 'prescription'.

Thanks, that's nice of you! I hope my teachers will also think that way and let me pass (at least the english parts of the exams).
And every day I learn something useful   :) I might look into options to sell it or get rid of it somehow if I'll have a bit more time.

Quote from: aleon515 on June 18, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
I'm sorry, Paula, but I would not go by what a MTF says on this. Why? Because you are a woman and no woman wants male hormones. I would HATE to take estrogen! It won't fit and will make you feel less like yourself.

I also doubt IM T is safer than gel. T has cardiovascular risks, we are all told this. Ambulance ->-bleeped-<- ads. There are many valuable meds are chased by insurance companies. I know of the drug Depakote which treats seizures nothing else works for. They are (or were) running ads for that.

That all said for the OP, did you switch from IM? It's possible you are absorbing the gel BETTER than the IM. I mean we are all individuals. I take the compounding cream and love it. I have heard of people taking T having trouble sleeping. I think if you don't have a lto of time to mess around with it, you should go back to IM. Otherwise you could have T levels done and see what's going on. I think melatonin works with some guys. I am much more peppy on T, but that's just T in general I think. I don't sleep as long.

--Jay

I get what you say Jay, it also crossed my mind but at the end it didn't really matter, no matter what I tried, I couldn't sleep more than 5 hours a day.
Actually I was very confused and didn't know what to think. After a few days of applying the gel, my facial hair started to fill in where it wasn't full enough, so I thought I absorb more T or better. But when I only applied the half of it, sleeping was even more harder and I felt worse in every aspect. I don't know.
Yes, I switched from IM. It's fine by me if I don't need that much sleep as before but I struggled hours before falling asleep, so gel is definitely not for me. But I saw some of your videos on youtube, and man, your transformation is awesome!
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aleon515

If you are tired after 5 hours, you should get more. So I agree with you. I had insomnia beforehand. But I don't need quite as much, but you would know, I'd think if it were enough. Maybe you just absorb it a bit too well, I have no idea. Never heard of this problem, but you know it's possible. We're all different. Maybe may even be sensitive what's used to apply it (rubbing alcohol, I think).
Thanks buddy. Thinking it's been good with me.

--Jay

Quote from: Jared on June 18, 2014, 02:24:34 PM
I get what you say Jay, it also crossed my mind but at the end it didn't really matter, no matter what I tried, I couldn't sleep more than 5 hours a day.
Actually I was very confused and didn't know what to think. After a few days of applying the gel, my facial hair started to fill in where it wasn't full enough, so I thought I absorb more T or better. But when I only applied the half of it, sleeping was even more harder and I felt worse in every aspect. I don't know.
Yes, I switched from IM. It's fine by me if I don't need that much sleep as before but I struggled hours before falling asleep, so gel is definitely not for me. But I saw some of your videos on youtube, and man, your transformation is awesome!
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Ephemeral

Idk the problem what problem you have with sleep, but the good thing with gel is that you can take it whenever you want during the day as long you are somewhat good at applying it the same time, so you can try applying it during other times if mornings don't work for you.
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AnneB

Quote from: aleon515 on June 18, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
I'm sorry, Paula, but I would not go by what a MTF says on this. Why? Because you are a woman and no woman wants male hormones. I would HATE to take estrogen! It won't fit and will make you feel less like yourself.

I also doubt IM T is safer than gel. T has cardiovascular risks, we are all told this. Ambulance ->-bleeped-<- ads. There are many valuable meds are chased by insurance companies. I know of the drug Depakote which treats seizures nothing else works for. They are (or were) running ads for that.

--Jay

Jay, I think I'm missing what you mean..  you did get that I was on the AG trying to still fit the part, to raise my T, fit the part?  idk, maybe if i had used another type instead of the AG? is that what you meant?  I'm confused (it's ok, happens easily)
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Ephemeral

Quote from: Paula Christine on June 23, 2014, 12:01:39 PM
Jay, I think I'm missing what you mean..  you did get that I was on the AG trying to still fit the part, to raise my T, fit the part?  idk, maybe if i had used another type instead of the AG? is that what you meant?  I'm confused (it's ok, happens easily)

I think what Jay is saying that we still have different bodies with different needs. It won't be the same unless the OP has had oopho. Anyway, I would try to suggest taking it at different times instead of mornings and get your blood checked. Contact your doc about it and tell them that gel doesn't work. I am on gel and it works fine for me but as Jay said, we got different bodies with different needs.

I also doubt that gel is any worse than other forms of testosterone sans pills. Any kind of additional hormones or medication is essentially negative to the body, but as long as you lead a somewhat normal and healthy lifestyle the health risks are essentially minimal and no worse than just your natural testosterone production imo. I mean, the reason why cardiovascular disease is more common in biological men is just because of testosterone alone being a risk factor, so you won't get away from that.
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Jared

Quote from: Ephemeral on June 23, 2014, 08:23:34 AM
Idk the problem what problem you have with sleep, but the good thing with gel is that you can take it whenever you want during the day as long you are somewhat good at applying it the same time, so you can try applying it during other times if mornings don't work for you.

I tried to apply it different times, no change. I find this sleeping problem weird, I expected the opposite because it's the same amount every day. But thanks for the suggestions. I'm getting back to my doc in august and he'll do bloodwork.
I don't know enough about the risk factors of gel or injections to say anything that makes sense. I mean I knew what I was going to take with HRT, but have not much idea about the risks of different brands.
I think even the thought makes you feel bad that you're using the 'wrong' hormones. I understand you tried to fit in Paula. When I didn't actually know I'm trans many docs wanted me to take E, because my T levels were high and I got hairier than the average female. The idea of shorter and not that intense periods were tempting but I didn't want to take it anyway.
Oh and I haven't had oopho yet.
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aleon515

Quote from: Paula Christine on June 23, 2014, 12:01:39 PM
Jay, I think I'm missing what you mean..  you did get that I was on the AG trying to still fit the part, to raise my T, fit the part?  idk, maybe if i had used another type instead of the AG? is that what you meant?  I'm confused (it's ok, happens easily)

What I meant wouldn't matter if you were trying to fit the part or not. AFAIK, many trans people try taking cross hormones with all kinds of intentions.  But it doesn't matter why trans people take it, it turns out they feel more in line with their brain and so on to take cross hormones. It doesn't matter what you like like or whatever you're still you and still a gal. As far as I'm concerned it's almost diagnostic. I know many trans guys who have taken estrogen for various reasons, not even known they were trans, and felt awful. They start taking T and they are calmer and happier. Does that answer your question, though it's a bit off the OP?

--Jay
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AnneB

Oh, yeah, totally get it now.. carry on..  :)
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