Quote from: Hikari on June 17, 2014, 04:26:13 AM
To your question based only on what you said here, I would say probably it is falling apart. I don't know anything beyond what you written here however.
From the way you put it though it sounds as if you are nervous and dealing with a lot and that your response to this is to pull away, be quiet and not engage with anyone. This is probably very frustrating for your partner since she doesn't feel your inner turmoil it might be difficult for her to reall sympathize with your actions. From her point of view she might just think you are stonewalling and denying her a good time with her friends.
Clearly, the best thing to do is to try and keep the communication going. Rather than going away until your partner notices and comes to support you perhaps it would be better to engage in dialog and tell her exactly how and why you need support. My natural tendency is to back away from situations that make me feel uncomfortable and not to speak directly to what I want or need out of a situation but, in my expierence doing that didn't accomplish anything positive.
Lots of what seems to really keep a relationship going is shared expierence and the associations that a person makes with another, it isn't good if she associates you with not having fun, walking on eggshells or being unsocialable. Keeping that in mind if you can reinforce the positive things about the time you spend together it will only improve her feelings on the situation.
I really hope you can keep your marriage, it can be really nice to have a loving partner especially which such difficulties and frustrations that transition brings.
I know its definitely heading downhill... She told me that she feels better this morning...
All of her family and friends know I'm trans, which makes me nervous about my presentation and how I act, so I pull away from social situations. No matter what I'm wearing. She says she doesn't understand me, and why I can't just go for it. She doesn't understand why my fear paralyzes me so much. It was worse this time maybe due to hormone rollercoaster or dysphoria... Ive never refused to go in before, and she didn't know what to do.
I feel like our communication is suffering more because whenever I talk to her about my issues, she feels helpless and just tries to poke holes in the logic of my emotions instead of supporting me. I feel like I'm overwhelming her and talking with her just leads to arguing and her feeling guilty etc.
I really don't feel capable of having fun or being sociable right now at all. She said I should just stay home.
I really hope things don't get worse, because I know I won't make it without her.
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 17, 2014, 04:33:18 AM
If I was to be totally blunt, that would be my response too. However, I do understand where you are coming from - I know how conflicted one can feel around these feelings. On one hand you just want to be a woman, on the other you're only prepared to dip the toe in for fear of repercussion and/or other people's reactions to you. I was like that during my first attempt at transition and believe me I tried the patience of my best friends beyond reasonable human endurance. It's a wonder any of them still speak to me (in fact many didn't for quite a few years). I guess what I'm trying to say is that even people who love you will have their limits, people generally prefer to socialise with people who are open and friendly and who are sure of themselves - an impossibly hard place to be in when the dysphoria tsunami hits.
My question to you would be, what hurts least... going out as "fully male" or as "partial female" along with the self-consciousness it apparently elicits? It sounds both are painful but that you're not in a place to go confidently as fully female. Maybe andro rather than partial female would be better for you during this point in your transition. You need to figure out what causes you the least distress in social circumstances, this will allow you to be that fun self you mentioned.
As for whether you are driving your wife away, I couldn't say but it sure sounds like she's unhappy.
I think I'm most comfortable dressing partially feminine/andro. But I have dressed andro around her family and she says that I still make people uncomfortable and they talk to her about it. Of course then I can get out of the car, but I still keep to myself. I just don't feel capable of normal social interaction right now at all. I feel socially crippled.
With everyone knowing I'm trans, I would feel extremely uncomfortable presenting male. On top of it just feeling wrong. I feel like it would trigger my dysphoria more. My wife uses female pronouns with me at all times...
So I feel like I can't feel comfortable as male, andro or female right now. I'm just uncomfortable. If I perceived my own body as female and others did the same, I would feel fine. Its kind of hard to explain. I'm scared of people seeing me as trans or male. I don't feel confident in myself at all.
Quote from: luna nyan on June 17, 2014, 05:20:15 AM
Debussy,
I feel sorry that both your wife and you are feeling so upset.
First of all, you tried cutting yourself - that would have scared her, even though it was with a Chapstick. Call your therapist and tell them what's happened and they will fit you in earlier. Attempted self harm isn't good, and I'm worried for you.
With such big changes happening, the awkwardness is understandable - your wife and you have to spend some time listening to each other, and then talk.
"I feel.... When..." Is often helpful dialogue, if there are no accusations flying.
I just applied for medicaid in this new state so I have to wait until I get my papers in the mail to see someone.
I normally didn't accused her before in conversation, and we didn't argue... but I feel so quick to anger now. heh. I feel more impulsive with my speech when I get emotional that I don't always say the best things... I know she's getting fed up with me always saying the same things. like, "yea you've told me that before. I guessed you were feeling that way."
Quote from: Cynthia Michelle on June 17, 2014, 06:14:29 AM
Hugs, sorry you and your partner are experiancing this.
Is there a way you can see your therapist sooner? Is there a group in your area you can attend?
You are dealing with a lot of issues at the same time and they are overwhelming you.
If you read back over what you wrote point by point, what can you do to feel better with each point. Doing something with one point at a time or address one point per day and rotate.
I too have an issue with young girls and young trans* and regreat. One thing is I envision myself at 5, 6 or 7. I as an adulut hold the childs hand and we together get through the issue. We talk to each other (in my mind) and I help her to feel loved and able to get past the pain. If I buy something fem I am holding the childs hand and saying see you can be yourself or something to the effect.
I hope this helps, hugs.
I can go to an LGBT youth group tomorrow, I'm scared to talk to a group though. We'll see how it goes.
That is a good exercise. One thing I really need to work on is acceptance.
Quote from: Jess42 on June 17, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from you,
"Later I went Inside to find my partner but I was told she was smoking pot in one of the rooms upstairs with her friend. I've told her that makes me uncomfortable, so that kind of upset
Me."
Debussy, relationships are give and take. That little part bothers me while I don't condone drug use, it is her perogative. So don't let that upset you. Sort of like your transition being your perogative. It really doesn't seem like she is ashamed or embarrassed of you too much to not take you around her friends. I mean she actually came outside and checked on you at one point. Sounds like her friends were accepting of you too. And yeah I know how social anxiety can be.
In any relationship the two parties need to keep the lines of commmunication open. You should have been honest when you got into the car and she asked what was wrong instead of exhibiting self destructive behavior. This is never a good way to convey how you are feeling and probably made your partner feel helpless. And then it came to a boiling point when you got home and the lid blew off.
You mentioned going to other functions? Hon, if you can't handle being around people at the time and associate, you may need to just let her go on her own until you are in a better place in which you can socially function with other people.
Yes your transition is probably extremely hard on her and yeah the person she knew probably doesn't seem like the same person, but she is still with you, so that is something. Whether your marriage is falling apart, I can't say. I will say that both of you are going through issues that affect both of you differently, so definately try to keep the lines of communication open and try to see things from each other's perspective. Couple's counseling may do you some good too.
That part is more of a trigger, less of an actual bias on my part. Early in our relationship, we had a threesome friendship where her and our friend got along really well. They would leave me in the car for hours and smoke pot in his house. I didn't know if they were doing anything or what they were doing. Then when we were all around eachother she wouldn't make eye contact with me or say anything to me for the whole day while we hung out. I would try to make conversation, but she would just shut me out for some reason. She would focus all her energy on him and it made me really sad.
I've told her that it triggers me and it would make me more comfortable if she just brought some home and we did it together, but I think she was just tired of me at the time. I do need to get over the bad association, its not making her feel very good.
I've been very good at communicating my feelings up until lately, where she's showed increased amounts of disinterest in what I'm going through, like its just old news. She says that she feels like she doesn't know how to help me and she no longer has the energy. So I kind of just have stopped communicating because I feel like there's no point, it just makes her feel worse too.
Quote from: Aisla on June 17, 2014, 09:25:58 AM
Agree with Jess on this. Sorry for writing in point form but I think in an overly structured manner.
First you need to continue to work on yourself. All of your fears are normal and a good therapist will coach and help you find your way forward. Second when you are unhappy it does tend to impact how you view others and how they view you. Couples counselling will help you both. Third your wife does sound very supportive as do her friends. Perhaps the social anxiety or discomfort that you are feeling may be hiding this from you. Fourth if you are uncomfortable with your current presentation why not take smaller steps, perhaps a more androgyne appearance where you are not as conscious of individual elements not being perfect. You may also find a support group which includes folk with similar issues and at a similar stage very helpful as you move forward.
Relationships are tricky. Showing your love. Communicating fully and in a timely and authentic manner will help. Sharing your fears and your positive feelings and appreciation to/with her may also help.
You are probably a lot stronger and better loved than you fear. I wish you well on your journey together.
Aisla
I'm working on myself every day, and pushing my comfort zones farther and farther. A month ago I wouldn't even walk around the block without a piece of male clothing on, now I'm going to dinner and going all over D.C. in my female clothes. I still haven't gotten comfortable with social interactions though, I can barely order myself food. I'm working on it though and I'm sure I'll be able to order myself food in feminine presentation soon

She is definitely supportive, to a certain point. Her limits are being reached sooner and sooner as of late. I definitely agree that my being uncomfortable makes people uncomfortable- I'm really working on it and I'm in a really difficult transitional period.
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Thank you everyone so much for your responses. My partner and I are on better terms this morning and communicating better... We'll see how things progress... Although I am starting to feel very guilty that my issues are doing this. Actually, I feel horrible about myself. I don't want to have the weight of other people weighing down on me when I'm going through something as hard as this. I feel like I'm the one who needs support, but here everyone is saying I make them uncomfortable as if I'm doing something to them. sheesh. This is why I just don't want to leave the house.