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What is it to be Transsexual or What does a dog cost?

Started by Elizabeth, July 13, 2007, 10:20:37 PM

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Elizabeth

I have been a part of numerous threads here and in other places regarding just what exactly a transsexual is. There always seems to be several minds about this. Many people hate this word or label and refuse to acknowledge it. Instead they claim to be the gender opposite of what their body is. Others claim they merely have a birth defect that needs to be corrected. And still others wear the brand of transsexual as a badge of honor.

All three of these points of view have one thing in common. They are all held by people suffering from the same exact thing, although many will argue this is not the case. I personally fail to see this distinction. I am not stupid, I have been around for a while. I understand what it means when someone says "I am not transsexual, I am a woman/man. It's an acknowledgment of how they feel about themselves. Only problem is, if one is born with the body of a male, how does one know what a woman feels like? Or is one is born female, how do they know what a man feels like?

Indeed, when asked what defines a woman or a man, it's almost impossible to nail down, because any trait one might mention, can be attributed to both natal males and females. Other than our sexual organs, there is no definitive way to say who is what gender. For this reason, transsexuality itself is self diagnosed. No one can say with any degree of certainty, who is or who is not transsexual.

So? Why are some so offended by the word transsexual? Why do some refuse to acknowledge they were born with the wrong body? Why are some so adamant that they are women/men and not their birth gender with the wrong brain? To me, it's "a rose by any other name". Who cares what we call it? There is this condition where people feel the wrong gender. What should be call it?

There are people who think dogs are human. They talk to them and believe they understand. They feed them great, provide for them just as if it were a child. In fact, dog owners live longer than non dog owners. For many, the loss of a dog can be just as traumatic if not worse than the loss of a family member. But not everyone holds this belief.

Others look at the same animal and see just a stupid mutt. And if someone ran over one of your children, you could sue them for emotional pain and suffering and loss of consortium. But if someone runs over your dog, it's just property. You are entitled to recover only the cost of the dog. How is it that we can see the same animal so differently? Some seeing it as a priceless friend and valued family member, others as just a replaceable piece of property.

I am not looking to get into an argument here. I think everyone on this forum knows how I feel. I am looking to gain some insight. I want to know why this word transsexual is so offensive? I want to know what is gained personally, emotionally or any other way, by proclaiming one to be their target gender, rather than just accept what I consider the "truth" about our dilemma, that is being born with the wrong body? If I were to change my view and starting today, proclaim I am not a transsexual, I am a woman, what would I gain?

I already feel I am a woman, at least on the inside. I thought we all did. I thought that was what it means to be transsexual and the reason we are all here. If I say I am a woman with the wrong body, how am I different than a person that says they are a transsexual and are a woman with the wrong body? I really don't get this. I really don't understand the difference or what is gained.

I am looking for some answers. Because I don't want this to turn into a debate, I will not comment further, unless someone just wants to ask me something. Please just make your case and let's not get angry. I am interested in all points of view.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Kat

I think people have problems with the term transsexual because they do not like to be labeled.  I could be wrong, but I'd imagine some don't want the label because it makes them feel "not normal", and therefore unlike everyone else.

My 2 cents
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Fae

Quote from: Elizabeth on July 13, 2007, 10:20:37 PM
Only problem is, if one is born with the body of a male, how does one know what a woman feels like? Or is one is born female, how do they know what a man feels like?

I don't know what it feels like to be a "man" or a "woman" as I see these are society's words.  Labels arn't everything - I'm not too big on labels anyway.  I know what it feels like to be me, and even though my body was born male, my internal wiring is female.  How do I know this?  It's not something that I can easily explain, it's just something I can tell you and you can take it or leave it  :)

Quote from: Elizabeth on July 13, 2007, 10:20:37 PMI want to know why this word transsexual is so offensive? I want to know what is gained personally, emotionally or any other way, by proclaiming one to be their target gender, rather than just accept what I consider the "truth" about our dilemma, that is being born with the wrong body? If I were to change my view and starting today, proclaim I am not a transsexual, I am a woman, what would I gain?

I already feel I am a woman, at least on the inside. I thought we all did. I thought that was what it means to be transsexual and the reason we are all here. If I say I am a woman with the wrong body, how am I different than a person that says they are a transsexual and are a woman with the wrong body? I really don't get this. I really don't understand the difference or what is gained.

All of us are free to define ourselves as we see fit.  There is no universal truth in our community, nor should there be.  As I said before in previous threads, I personally use the term transgendered to define myself because the word transsexual is not necessarily offensive to me, but society has made it offensive by attaching a negative stereotype to it through the media, so I don't use it.  Silence of the Lambs?  The Rocky Horror Picture Show?  Need I go on?

Therefore, I am a transgendered woman whose gender was improperly labeled at birth - because I was not asked.  Now that I am no longer a screaming toddler, I can define myself, and by transitioning I can correct the mistake that was made at birth.
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Shana A

I don't like the term transsexual, my reasoning is because it describes who I am as a pathology. Similarly to gay people not wanting to be called homosexual. What we now call transgender has existed throughout history, we were considered to have special gifts. I don't need to hide my past from anyone, but prefer different terminology. The word transsexual is outdated, I don't mind using transgender.

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Buffy

Transsexual described what I did, it no way describes what I am... thats just Happy and at Peace.

Buffy
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Jonie


This is how I look at it , say there are three guy's and one of them is talking about all the reasons he loves having a penis and as he lists all his reasons one by one the other guys are nodding and saying sure, yes, I get it, I understand. They all come to a meeting of the minds on the subject of why having a penis is so wonderful, not just on an intellectual lever but on a deeper gut level. The MTF is the on whose lying so they won't be outed because she just can't understand what they are talking about past an intellectual level. The design of her brain does not allow her to understand on a gut level why having a penis is so appealing and if she tried for a million years to understand this on a gut level she would be just wasting her time. As for understanding why having a vagina is such a good thing, on a gut level, for her is a piece of cake. This is can also be true for others aspect of male and female characteristics but maybe not to such a degree.

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Rashelle

If I didn't consider myself a woman I would of never gotten rid of the offending appendages by having SRS.
Rashelle
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rhonda13000

The term doesn't bother me at all; I have used it in reference to myself, often.

It is a descriptive adjective for a known medical condition, nothing more.
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Nero

How did I miss this gem?
I'm with Fae and Zythyra - I always find myself using 'transgender'. I don't know why but it comes out more easily for me than saying 'transsexual'. I actually stutter to get the word out when I say 'transsexual'.

I too don't get why some people (particularly those who have some bizarre need to insist they are IS, when they're not and proclaim that every part of theirs was always their target gender save the genitals),
don't want to admit they were born in the opposite gender body.

One mtf calls herself a woman.
Another calls herself a transsexual woman.
I really don't see the big difference there.

Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Francis

I do not like titles either.

I am woman, hear me roar,
with feelings too strong to ignore,
and I know too much to go back to pretend!

If Helen Reddy sang it for us.

Francis
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Fae

Quote from: Nero on August 03, 2007, 12:07:58 PM
How did I miss this gem?
I'm with Fae and Zythyra - I always find myself using 'transgender'. I don't know why but it comes out more easily for me than saying 'transsexual'. I actually stutter to get the word out when I say 'transsexual'.

I too don't get why some people (particularly those who have some bizarre need to insist they are IS, when they're not and proclaim that every part of theirs was always their target gender save the genitals),
don't want to admit they were born in the opposite gender body.

One mtf calls herself a woman.
Another calls herself a transsexual woman.
I really don't see the big difference there.



A woman is a woman is a woman, no matter how you say it.  I call myself a woman.  I call myself transgendered.  It's really not something that I dwell on a lot - it's just another part of who I am.

Quote from: Francis on August 03, 2007, 01:37:34 PM
I am woman, hear me roar,
with feelings too strong to ignore,
and I know too much to go back to pretend!

Agreed!!  ;D ;D

~Fae
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Dennis

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on August 03, 2007, 02:48:21 PM
oh, and "loss of consortium" is limited to husbands/wives because it means loss of sexual gratification from one's spouse.  if someone runs over one of your kids, you do *NOT* want to ask for that relief in court!   :laugh:

ashley
who misses her dog very much

Hehe, I missed that on the first reading. Could result in criminal charges if you claim that ;)

Dennis
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Elizabeth

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on August 03, 2007, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: Elizabeth on July 13, 2007, 10:20:37 PM

Others look at the same animal and see just a stupid mutt. And if someone ran over one of your children, you could sue them for emotional pain and suffering and loss of consortium. But if someone runs over your dog, it's just property. You are entitled to recover only the cost of the dog. How is it that we can see the same animal so differently? Some seeing it as a priceless friend and valued family member, others as just a replaceable piece of property.



actually in some recent case law (i want to say texas) a person successfully sued for emotional distress when her dog was run over in front of her.  appeals court upheld it for the same reasons you state.

oh, and "loss of consortium" is limited to husbands/wives because it means loss of sexual gratification from one's spouse.  if someone runs over one of your kids, you do *NOT* want to ask for that relief in court!   :laugh:

ashley
who misses her dog very much

Main Entry: con·sor·tium
Pronunciation: k&n-'sor-sh(E-)&m, -'sor-tE-&m
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural con·sor·tia /-'sor-sh(E-)&, -'sor-tE-& /; also -sortiums
Etymology: Latin, fellowship, from consort-, consors
1 : an agreement, combination, or group (as of companies) formed to undertake an enterprise beyond the resources of any one member
2 : ASSOCIATION, SOCIETY
3 : the legal right of one spouse to the company, affection, and assistance of and to sexual relations with the other

I had always thought it meant the love and affection of someone. I didn't realize it only applied to sexual matters. My bad.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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