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Heavy weight gain and tiredness

Started by fatalerror, July 18, 2014, 09:05:23 AM

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fatalerror

Question for those on testosterone, did you get really sluggish and start putting on a ton of weight (like 50 pounds in 5 months, fat not muscle)? My doc's kept up with my levels and I'm doing fine, but she didn't know what the tiredness and weight gain might be from. I'm not eating more than I used to, and I've changed from eating "typical American" to eating mostly salads, soups, yogurt, nuts, and fruit. I exercise regularly. But I'm extremely tired, and I've been sleeping more (almost 7 hours a night as opposed to 3-4 like I used to) while becoming even more exhausted.

Like I said, my doctor isn't sure what's wrong, just told me to keep eating healthy and exercising...has anybody else had this experience and found a solution?
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MacG

I don't have an answer on T, but those symptoms could also be caused by low thyroid, low iron, or sleep apnea. Among other things.
I imagine your doc did blood work that would check the thyroid and iron, though.

Kreuzfidel

Seconding, Mac - I would ask how much are you eating?  I know that you said you're not eating any MORE than you used to, but you've changed your diet and I want to know what the portion sizes are and how often throughout the day you're eating.
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blink

Going food-by-food from what you listed, some things to consider.
1. Eating "mostly" (listed items)? What else is there, how often, and how much?
2. Salads - what's in those salads? Compare a salad consisting entirely of vegetables, to a salad with things like cheese, croutons, bacon bits, dressing, etc.
3. Soups - again, what's in it? Some soups are much more calorie-dense than others.
4. Yogurt - if we're talking those little pre-flavored yogurt cups, there's usually lots of added sugar in those.
5. Nuts - very calorie-dense, it's easy to eat hundreds of calories of nuts.
6. Fruit - again there's a range of calorie denseness in that food group.

Other questions: What are you drinking?
Can you be more specific about "exercising regularly"? It's possible you're wearing yourself out with, say, tons of cardio, but eating back the calories burned and then some due to being hungrier from all the exercise.
Are you getting enough protein?

The gist here, a lot of people make the mistake of thinking if they eat foods they consider categorically "healthy" then considering portions/calories goes out the window. There might be a medical problem at work here, but generally speaking when people gain weight it's because they're consuming more calories than their body needs, and it's possible to do that eating 100% "healthy" foods.

By the way, 7 hours of sleep a night is not an excessive amount of sleep at all given it's recommended most adults need 7-8 hours per night.
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fatalerror

Thanks for the help guys, here's some of the food info:

I eat small meals about 4-5 times a day. I have one cup of greek nonfat yogurt in the morning, often with some sliced almonds and granola over the top. Between lunch and breakfast I have a half cup or less of almonds. At lunch, the salads usually consist of spinach or lettuce with tomatoes, cranberries, various nuts, and sometimes a bit of chicken or croutons, though I could cut those out if need be, the salads about 8-10 ounces of food total. The soups are vegetable soups with low sodium and not any of the thick chowder types. Second snack is another half cup or less of almonds, dinner is usually the soup or some yogurt with strawberries or blueberries, maybe a banana. I'm always starving and have been eating much less than how much I used to eat, in which I never gained any weight.

When I say "mostly" I admit that I sometimes cheat and eat a bit of fish every few weeks, or have a plate of thai curry with some tofu in it.

I drink mostly water though I do have a cup of coffee once a day, I've been replacing that with green tea with no sugar. I also drink unsweetened red ruby grapefruit juice every couple days or so.

Exercise: I do about 30 minutes on an exercise bike per day (which reads as about 500 calories burned though I don't know that I trust those things), it's not flat out exhausting but it's all I have time for, and I try to alternate lifting weights every other day.

If it helps any, I have also been getting plunging lows in mood swings, tingling in my limbs, major muscle aches and back pain, and my eyes lose focus a lot. I tend to forget what I'm doing or where I am. Thanks again for taking the time to help me out with this!
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Greeneyedrebel

Has your doc checked your thyroid levels???
To be or not to be....that is the question
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fatalerror

She did prior to my first shot I believe, seeing as my dad has thyroid problems, but I've asked her to please send me a new test that includes checking my thyroid just in case - I had to leave a message, so I'm hoping she'll send it along soon.
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FTMKyle

Are you sure you are eating enough? Especially in the morning? That doesn't sound like a whole lot. Try some eggs or something. It might be that you are eating so little that your body thinks it is starving and trying to store the calories you consume. 

Breakfast should be your biggest and most important meal. Followed by lunch. Dinner should be kept small.

Your symptoms might also be from lack of calorie intake. Talk to your doctor and ask her to help you with a proper diet.
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MacG

I suggest tracking your meals for a few days to see where you're at calorie-wise.
Also, seems like a lot of nuts. Not sure. I would guess getting your protein from more varied sources would fe good.

Are you often too cold or too hot? Are your skin or eyes particularly dry? Heart palpitations?

Your diet might not be getting you enough vitamin B12.
Vitamin D is another very common deficiency.

Kreuzfidel

Quote from: Samantha007 on July 23, 2014, 02:40:00 AM
How is eating less  supposed to explain why you put on weight?

Because, opposite to popular belief, eating less doesn't always = losing weight.  In fact, it can have the opposite effect when your body goes into starvation mode - holding onto every iota of fat because it believes it isn't getting what it needs from food intake.

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blink

Quote from: fatalerror on July 22, 2014, 03:06:33 PM
Thanks for the help guys, here's some of the food info:

I eat small meals about 4-5 times a day. I have one cup of greek nonfat yogurt in the morning, often with some sliced almonds and granola over the top. Between lunch and breakfast I have a half cup or less of almonds. At lunch, the salads usually consist of spinach or lettuce with tomatoes, cranberries, various nuts, and sometimes a bit of chicken or croutons, though I could cut those out if need be, the salads about 8-10 ounces of food total. The soups are vegetable soups with low sodium and not any of the thick chowder types. Second snack is another half cup or less of almonds, dinner is usually the soup or some yogurt with strawberries or blueberries, maybe a banana. I'm always starving and have been eating much less than how much I used to eat, in which I never gained any weight.
Forget how much the food weighs. 28.4g of almonds is 163 calories.  36g of lettuce is 5 calories.

According to Google half a cup of almonds is 46 grams, and 264 calories. (By the way, invest in a digital food scale and get in a habit of measuring out by weight, it's more accurate and very easy/convenient when you get used to it). So you have a half cup here, half cup there, unspecified amounts on yogurt and salad. That could be upwards of 600 calories a day from nuts. You're still hungry because stomachs don't care about calories. Calories are the most important part of weight management, feeling full makes the process less miserable, so calorie-dense foods like nuts won't necessarily be your friend.

Smaller meals also might not be your friend. Why not try 2-3 larger meals focusing on bulkier/less calorie-dense foods instead? Aside from the granola, I'm not seeing any mention of grains here and because they swell with liquid they can be very filling. For example a hot bowl of rice with a crapload of vegetables, and a big glass of water or other calorie-free beverage of choice (say plain coffee or tea). Or a more precise example:  Put a bowl on food scale. 40g of plain oats (150 calories), 1/2 cup 2% milk (65 calories), 37g fresh or frozen blueberries (21.25 calories), microwave.  236.25 calories - that's less than half a cup of almonds in calories, but instead of a few nuts you have a delicious hot bowl of cereal. Or double all those (80g oats, 1 cup 2% milk, 74g blueberries), 472.5 calories and it's a big, delicious hot bowl of cereal. You could add in some eggwhites with loads of spices, have quite a satisfying meal and still end up under 600 calories (maybe you can guess what I have for breakfast fairly often).

To put that in perspective you need at least a rough idea of your caloric needs (there's calculators online for this). But just for example let's say you need 1800 calories to maintain your current weight, any less than that creating a caloric deficit (thus weight loss over time). 1800/3 = 600 so a breakfast of under 500 calories would be very reasonable if eating 3 meals a day.

Have you had your vitamin levels checked out to make sure there's not a deficiency present? Speaking of grains, a lot of breakfast cereals are vitamin-enriched. Not ideal but handy.

Somebody mentioned "starvation mode", this is a very informative page on that subject: http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/

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Amadeus

Just throwing this out, but I had similar symptoms about four years ago when I became very ill with GodKnowsWhat [my physician did test after test and couldn't figure it out, although we did find out that my body was already pumping out a lot of testosterone on its own.]  I was exhausted all the time.  Despite the fact that I could barely eat, I wasn't losing weight.  I began taking a multivitamin - Geritol, to be exact - and within a week I felt loads better.  Two weeks in and I almost felt like my old self.  A bottle of a hundred tablets costs around $7-10 at most stores.  Take it with a meal so it will absorb better.  Your urine will look fluorescent, but trust me, it isn't.  It's just the excess B vitamins.
 
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fatalerror

Dude thank you guys a ton for all this advice. I talked to a few coworkers who recommended foods like nuts in place of meats and yogurt and granola for energy in the morning. Read the article about starvation mode and downloaded a calorie counter app to find out how much to intake if I want to lose weight fast. Going to put that to good use starting today and see just how much I'm really taking in. I gotta keep up with vitamins more too, I temd to neglect them. Thanks again, will see what results I get from it.
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blink

Glad you read the article, that guy's stuff is very informative. Don't get in a rush/go overboard, remember whatever you do has to be sustainable. No point doing extreme things to lose weight fast and then gaining it back. Find something that works for you and keep at it, you'll get there.
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Tysilio

Quote from: fatalerrorI talked to a few coworkers who recommended foods like nuts in place of meats and yogurt and granola for energy in the morning.
Coworkers aren't necessarily the best source of information on health-related stuff.  ;) Nuts are "healthy" in that they don't contain saturated fats, but overall, they're fat-intensive -- not what you need for weight loss. And granola is loaded with fat and sugar. It doesn't matter whether it's high fructose corn syrup, honey, or evaporated cane juice (the current euphemism for cane sugar); it's all sugar, and not nutritious -- just empty calories. (One way manufacturers trick people about sugar content is to use several different sweeteners, so that each one is lower on the list of ingredients.   >:()  There's nothing wrong with meat, in moderation and chosen carefully -- skinless chicken breasts, fish, and low-fat cuts of beef and pork are all excellent sources of protein. They have the added benefit of ensuring that you're getting enough iron and all the amino acids your body needs -- while it's possible to do this on a vegetarian diet, it takes some effort and knowledge.

Quote from: blinkDon't get in a rush/go overboard, remember whatever you do has to be sustainable. No point doing extreme things to lose weight fast and then gaining it back.

This, in spades. In the long term, "dieting" is counter-productive, IMHO. For most people, counting calories isn't something they're going to sustain over a lifetime. Drastically restricting what one eats, with the idea that it's only for a limited time, usually just leads to "cheating," and almost guarantees regaining the weight once a person resumes their "normal" diet; and as others have noted, in the long run major calorie restriction lowers the metabolic rate and makes the body want to store fat.

Mo' bettah to think of it as just eating a healthy diet: lots of whole grains, fruits, vegetables,  and legumes (beans, lentils, etc. contain almost no fat, are loaded with complex carbs and fiber, and are very filling), moderate intake of non- or low-fat dairy products, small portions of low fat meats now and then, and avoiding processed foods. A diet like this is sustainable over a lifetime and also has major health benefits, not the least of which is that it's easier to lose weight on a low-fat diet.

It does help a lot to learn to cook -- even if your time is limited, you can make a big batch of something like vegetarian chili or grilled chicken breasts once or twice a week, and have healthy "fast food" on hand when you want it.
Never bring an umbrella to a coyote fight.
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Amadeus

Quote from: Tysilio on July 30, 2014, 10:54:33 AM
Coworkers aren't necessarily the best source of information on health-related stuff.  ;)
Well, unless your co-workers are nutritionists...heh heh...but yeah, I agree.  Co-workers aren't always reliable sources when it comes to dietary stuff.  And really, you have to sometimes experiment to find out what works best for you.  Everybody's body is different.
QuoteIt does help a lot to learn to cook -- even if your time is limited, you can make a big batch of something like vegetarian chili or grilled chicken breasts once or twice a week, and have healthy "fast food" on hand when you want it.
This a thousand times!  When you cook your own food, you know exactly what's going into the dishes you create.  It will be fresher, taste better, and you'll have a sense of pride knowing that you crafted a meal yourself.  Also, I highly advise watching any and all cooking shows made by Alton Brown.  He not only shows you how to cook, but he explains the science - and sometimes the history - of the foods and dishes he's preparing.  I learned so much from watching Good Eats, and now I'm subscribed to his youtube channel.
 
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FriendsCallMeChris

I'm new to the forum and looking around. I saw that you drink grapefruit juice fairly often.  I understand that grapefruit juice increases estrogen and can mess with metabolism.  Here's the generic wikipedia link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit_juice  There are a lot more scientific links that talk about this, too.
Chris
Chris
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blink

Have to disagree that low-fat is necessarily better for weight loss. Many studies don't support that idea.

http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

"Healthy" fats like those from dairy, fish, olives, and nuts help provide satiety (although as I mentioned earlier, it's hard to feel full on just nuts). In theory, if people switch to low-fat versions of everything - provided there's no added sugar or other crap - they reduce overall caloric intake. In practice, when people eat low-fat versions of things they tend to eat more of it, and eat more overall.

Absolutely agree that it's better to focus on eating a well balanced diet than count calories (although it can be useful initially to learn portion sizes). Cutting out processed food instantly ditches added sugar and questionable filler ingredients. Eating processed, pre-packaged foods is expensive too.  On that note, for folks that like yogurt, look for an Indian or "Indo-Pak" grocery store in your area. I get 5lbs of plain yogurt there for a price that would buy a few tiny, bunch-of-sugar-added yogurt cups elsewhere. Stir in some frozen or fresh berries, tasty, cheaper, less sugar, no filler ingredients.

Learning to cook is a great idea. Doesn't have to be complicated, if you learn to spice things it's easy to throw a few things together and get something delicious. Bonus, some studies suggest certain spices help weight management/fat loss, like ginger, garlic, and hot peppers. I buy fresh ginger, peel it, and freeze it. Easy to grate some into food. Fresh garlic is easy to include in food if you can find containers of peeled cloves, keep in the fridge, wash one and mince with a fork. If you can't find pre-peeled cloves, peel a bunch ahead of time yourself and refrigerate.

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Tysilio

QuoteHave to disagree that low-fat is necessarily better for weight loss. Many studies don't support that idea.

http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

"Healthy" fats like those from dairy, fish, olives, and nuts help provide satiety (although as I mentioned earlier, it's hard to feel full on just nuts). In theory, if people switch to low-fat versions of everything - provided there's no added sugar or other crap - they reduce overall caloric intake. In practice, when people eat low-fat versions of things they tend to eat more of it, and eat more overall.

Yes, "low-fat" versions of things are mostly a bad idea -- and they usually taste like crap. I like non-fat yogurt fine, and I can tolerate 2% milk... otherwise, no. But fats = 9 calories/gram, carbs and proteins = 4 calories/gram. So it makes sense to do things like remove the skin from chicken, eat lower-fat alternatives (breasts instead of thighs, for instance), and use lemon juice or a little olive oil and vinegar on salad instead of store-bought dressing. It's a way to reduce caloric intake without depriving oneself of things one likes. And foods that are high in fiber -- whole grains, most fruits and vegetables, beans and lentils -- also provide satiety, especially if one waits 10-15 minutes before going back for more: your brain takes a while to decide that you're full. Do that, and cut portion sizes a bit, and you're ahead of the game right there.

Never bring an umbrella to a coyote fight.
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Amadeus

Quote from: blink on August 03, 2014, 10:40:37 AMBonus, some studies suggest certain spices help weight management/fat loss, like ginger, garlic, and hot peppers.
Links or it didn't happen.   :laugh:

But seriously, I wish this worked for me.  I consume so much garlic, ginger, peppers of all sorts just about every day, and yet I'm still fifteen stone.
 
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