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Started by Alexi, July 24, 2014, 02:38:42 PM

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Satinjoy

Ahhh sweetie you listened to those who have been there done that didn't you?  Good for you!!!!

I just moved up my next therapy appt.

All I can tell you is this - it helped me, and it saved everything.  And the people here have carried me in their arms many times.

Good for you.  Keep digging, as they say racing, you just took the green flag.

Listen to the sages here, listen to all of them, there is wisdom in this place, great wisdom, greater even than dysphoria.

Some day, you too will be able to say "I love you" in the mirror.  It took me years, but it happened nonetheless, and the reason it took so long was because I didn't deal with it when I was young, I needed help and I did not feel worthy.  I was incorrect...

You have been given a gift, little one, inside is a blessing and the sun and stars.... and the gift..... is you

:)
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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ativan

Quote from: Alexi on August 08, 2014, 03:09:42 PM
I didn't speak to for too long or about too much, or in too much detail. They asked me about how I felt about myself and the things I thought about myself. It lasted about an hour before making another appointment, but I was told not to expect too much yet. I felt nervous before I went to it, but I'd feel worried if I didn't feel that!
Ahh,.. the 'honeymoon' phase of therapy...
It does take more than a couple sessions before things really click when they are going to.
If you felt good enough to make another appointment, then I take it is good between you two.
It gets easier each time. It gets better each time.
One hour, which is really 45-50 minutes isn't a lot of time to get to know each other and how it will work between you two.
Which is going to be different for everyone. Putting trust into your conversations makes things much smoother.
Know that you can trust your therapist.
Trust goes a long ways, it's a two way street.
I hope this works to help you, you deserve to be the best you can be.
I've gone through several therapist over the years, I see one each week. I'm losing her, and starting a new one.
It's going to be a nervous thing for me until I get to know her.
At least we are all getting together in a couple weeks, my therapist I have now, and my new one.
A smoother transition that way. kinda cuts the 'honeymoon' period to a minimum.
You hang in there
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Alexi

What else should I be aware of as I begin to transition? Are there things I should or might expect, or is it a different experience for everybody?
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ativan

You should be fully aware of just what you want and expect a transition to be.
This is where a therapist comes into play.
They should be your guide, helping you to find the right path for your journey.
There are other issues that life brings up, they should be able to help you integrate them into what you want.
It is essentially a different experience for everyone, but there are going to be paths most likely that others have used.
But there are many paths, you might use some of them, it depends on you.
This is one time in your life that it is all about you, all of it.
Because you are on your way to being the true you, the individual you are.
It's a tough road for many, the reason vary, there are to many to write about and I don't want to give you any preconceived ideas.
You're on your own in one sense, but in another, there are many people on those same paths and you might find each other.
This forum is one place to find them, a good and safe place for you.
I guess I would imagine that everyone could be seen as on the sides of those paths, cheering you on, yelling out their own advice to you.
But be prepared for things to feel as if they are going wrong, it does happen and we all have had doubts at one time or another.
My advice right now is that you get back out of it what you put into it.
It takes determination, be willing to go for what you think is best for you.
There is going to be times that you will have to step past your comfort zone, but know that it grows with you and is always right there for you to step back into when you need to, when you just want to.
This is your time, your opportunity to be who you really are and not someone elses expectations.
So how hard it is is up to you. How easy it is is up to you.
Stay in touch here and most certainly ask any and all the questions you have.
The better the question, the better the answer.
There is a lot of information here, try the search box in the upper right corner of every page your on.
A lot to take in, so take your time and use it wisely.
There are a lot of people here who can share parts of their experiences, even some to help guide you along.
It makes me happy that you're here, asking questions. It makes a lot of us happy to see you here.
This is one way that it all starts to come together, others have started to find themselves here just like you're doing right now.
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Alexi

I haven't been coping at all well. I've been unable to sleep and am feeling hopeless and deeply miserable. I get frightened about all sorts of things and I'm not sure I'm ever going to "pass" as androgynous. Loneliness is incredibly hard to cope with too.
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Satinjoy

#65
We are happy you are here.  Rest in this.  Passing is just being, not worrying.  Living.  As do you. See your therapist...they can help.  The beginning can be scary but all beginnings are, and then we are free, and we soar.

But get off the presentational worries dear, that is not helping you, find your truth of who you are, and unconditionally accept them and love them.  Learn to love who you are, and all the rest will follow.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Satinjoy

Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Satinjoy

Editted and reposted 2 posts up from here.  Cell phones change what I say
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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ativan

Quote from: Satinjoy on August 25, 2014, 06:23:07 PM
Find your truth of who you are, and unconditionally accept them and love them.  Learn to love who you are, and all the rest will follow.
Confidence is in knowing your own truths, the ones that make you unique.
That is the one thing that nobody can ever take away from you.
That is the one thing that nobody can ever use against you.
That is the greatest strength of all...
Knowing yourself.
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Satinjoy

Hey Alexi, you ok?  What's going on little one.... sometimes we need to outlast things that feel like they last forever and won't.  Feelings change, they pass.  Believe me.

Dypshoria can hurt but it gets way better after professionally treated, most of us don't hurt much and have joy

You can have joy, even if you don't believe it, its true

You ok?  Do I have to chase you into the forest for the creatures to love you up?

You deserve loving up you know.  We all do.

Hang in there dear little one, I hope you don't mind the little, but I don't think you have the many decades I do behind me in your life experience

Outlast it for a moment, just for this moment, and see the beauty in your eyes, whether you believe it or not, it is there.

Never give up.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Alexi

I don't like the thought of people being worried, but I know I can't stop other people being worried. I've been in a severe depression for a month and it doesn't seem to be loosening its grasp any time soon. It's made worse only by not having anyone to speak to and feeling utter despair. I haven't got the years, or decades, Satinjoy has, so maybe it's not surprising everything is bleak.

I don't live in an area safe enough to live as I'd want, and it makes it so much worse in so many ways. I don't value my life or existence, and I've suffered through so many other things that the pain becomes numbing. I tried to do so much better for so many people, but I'm not worth it and I could help them by instead not being there and by not existing.
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ativan

You're worth it to me...
Your statement of helping people by not existing is so wrong...
It simply isn't true. It really is just the opposite.
What have you been suffering through?
Who and what have you been trying to do so much better about and for?
I refuse to think that your not worth it.
You are not of any help to anyone if you are thinking that your existence isn't worth it me, to others right here.
You are worth far more than you know right now.
Just the fact that I'm commenting to you is reason enough to know you have worth.
PM me if you want to, I'm right here.
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mrs izzy

Quote from: Alexi on August 27, 2014, 06:33:48 PM
I don't like the thought of people being worried, but I know I can't stop other people being worried. I've been in a severe depression for a month and it doesn't seem to be loosening its grasp any time soon. It's made worse only by not having anyone to speak to and feeling utter despair. I haven't got the years, or decades, Satinjoy has, so maybe it's not surprising everything is bleak.

I don't live in an area safe enough to live as I'd want, and it makes it so much worse in so many ways. I don't value my life or existence, and I've suffered through so many other things that the pain becomes numbing. I tried to do so much better for so many people, but I'm not worth it and I could help them by instead not being there and by not existing.

Thing is people we come in contact in a forum becomes family. Family cares for each other without judgement.

I wish you to think of what you need to shake the pain? The darkness?

How about your therapist for help?

For right now forget about labels and think more on as a human what do you see yourself doing 10 years from now.

Trying to say we live life for tomorrow based in happiness. I have always so hated labels and live a life as i choose best on being a human. Not trying to fit a mold. Just being oneself.

Remember family is here and you are a valuable member of our family.

Hugs
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Satinjoy

Hey there little one.

People don't nickname like that if they don't care, not a nice nickname like that one, like its my own kid.

I came from central ny, in the cow country, and I know what its like.  My dad is alcoholic and yelled all the time at mom before he passed out every night.  I know the name calling, I was born androgyn, and nobody could figure out my gender when I was in my teens.  The boys were rather cruel.  Actually very cruel, but I learned to face them down, make them feel like ->-bleeped-<- because I would not believe they were right.  Something inside knew they were wrong.  But I believed some of that, and I had to unlearn it.

Right after graduation I got into a community theater and found out that what had been bad, was valued.  My first show I landed the lead, Christ in Godspell.  Nobody cared about gender, they just had fun, and were accepting.  I did a hundred shows in a row and wound up making the Broadway union, and working off broadway in NY.

But I had to get to that place...

You should have seen the face of those bas...rds when I rode by them in a fiat spyder with the top down and a blond next to me that looked like a star, breathtaking.  This me, the one nobody would date.  (not the blond, I was the guy back then.)  If I hadn't been a drunk, I would have married her.  Their mouths fell open as they had to injest their big feet when I drove by.

Years later I crawled out of a condemned apartment in Harlem - me the kid from cow country, one of about 5 people defying the race barrier to be there - and with the shakes of withdrawl I went for a free coffee in AA and got sober.  Unloveable.  They loved me up instead, and stayed with me until I could learn to love myself enough to give me a chance.  A smelly drunk from a condemned hotel appt building in a nightmare neighborhood in NYC.

Little one, I have cars, a house, a motorcycle, I race professionally, I am a Broadway level actor, I help people and help save lives in AA, and reach out to my loved ones here, in this family.  And I just blew anonymity now, that was too many hints.  My body is female, my wife is stacked and very beautiful, and I have it all.  But I was willing to trade all I had to be TS. 

You could not have told me I was worth anything when I was young, when I believed the bully's, when I bought in on their bull->-bleeped-<-.  Nor could I have understood I would be able to leave that small town, and eventually head for greenwich village, to be a star.  Never in my wildest dreams would I have said I would become part of the union of the stars, and rub elbows with them at the broadway auditions.  All I could see was myself, and I believed the line of crap from the bullies, who know jack->-bleeped-<- about life, and will never overcome or help anyone but their own selfish, stupid selves.

So, you say you are worthless.  You helped me this morning by remembering who I am, who I was, who You are, and who you could be.  Maybe not a star, but you can be a star in here.  You have over 1300 reads on this thread.... how many people are looking to help?  1300 is a lot of reads, you are the most important person on the forum right now.  I never had 1300 reads.  Don't be scared, its mostly the same 25 people reading it and following it, because THEY CARE.  The NB's are a small group, but very tight, and fiercely protective of each other.

You need a good therapist, you will eventually get the environment change, and you will discover you are not only loveable, but important, another survivor that is trans, courageous, vibrant and alive, caring for others.  That is your destiny my child, that is your promise, fix your eyes on that, and let us love you until you can love yourself.  Outlast the temporary feelings, I know they don't feel temporary, you are young, but they are, they will pass, all you have to do is get through right now.  Not tomorrow, just now.  And give yourself a big hug from Satinjoy, another one that cares.

If I could crawl out of that hotel and live, surely you can get through today my dear.  I am no different from you at the core, whatever your gender may be.  We are trans, we are strong, we are valuable, and we love each other and stick together.

--Satinjoy



Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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ativan

Depression isn't something that is easily beat.
I know this is true, I'm clinically depressed.
Not sad, not having a hard time, there isn't anything that has caused it, it just is.
It's a common misconception that you can just 'fix' it.
You don't 'just' anything about it.
It's not a simple mood, mood swing, it isn't even something emotional.
Those are all the results or symptoms of clinical depression.
Fixing them isn't going to fix depression, it only fixes what you think is a fix for it.
Here's a short article from HufPo, a very condescended version of it...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/depression-frustrations_n_5692649.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Here's the link to WikiWhatever for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder

Depression is a very tricky thing to learn to deal with, but it can be done.
Most often, the advice of others does nothing, but every once in a while, that advice might trigger something else that can either make it worse or better, you just never know, because it is never the same from one person to the next, or even from one hour to the next.
Those of you who think you are clinically depressed, probably aren't.
It takes a lot to actually be diagnosed with it, most people confuse it with extreme sadness, even a short term sadness.
It's not sadness, that's something entirely different. Sadness is only one symptom of it.
There's also some very different levels of depression, just like there is for being simply sad.
It manifests itself in ways that you might not even recognize as depression, it is that tricky to nail it down.
This is one big reason you don't just take a whatever antidepressant and call it a day.
Most of the time, those will help relieve some of the symptoms, maybe enough for talk therapy to help.
Most of the time, it never goes away, you learn different coping mechanisms to deal with it.
If you're lucky enough, you learn enough that people will stop the 'get over it' advice that is so often given.
Most often, simple advice is like telling someone their broken leg is just something to get over and you should just walk it off.
Dysphoria? Just walk it off, just get over it... It sounds the same to a depressed person.
While that works pretty much for someone who is sad, even profoundly sad, it doesn't work for depression, real depression.
While I applaud the efforts and the kindness of others to help, and it does in the short term sometimes, it will never stop it.
I have my own set of coping mechanisms that work for me, they won't all work for anyone else.
Some might, that's how I learned about them.
For someone who is depressed, they have to find the ones that will work for them.
Dysphoria has a lot of the same elements in it as does depression, and the symptoms overlap somewhat.
But they are two different things and the symptoms need to be addressed separately, even when they appear to be the same.

There used to be a time, for a long time in fact, that I would simply walk away from anyone trying to give me advice for it.
Not because I was being an ass about it, and I was called that because of it, but because it actually caused me physical pain to hear it.
Another symptom that most people don't associate with major or clinical depression.
It really is there, I take meds for depression, I take meds for the physical symptoms as well.
I also use a share of my therapist weekly time to talk about it every fricken week. Every week.
For five years I have been on a steady diet of meds and talk therapy, and I'm also on a steady diet of HRT, which does help me, maybe not the next person though...

Even reading the two articles above will only give you a glimmer of what it feels like, and a lot of you should know this is true.
Reading an article or wikiwhatever isn't going to make anyone understand dysphoria, unless they can actually relate to it because they experience it.

It's a very real, very hard thing to deal with. I use dysphoria as an example, because a lot of us can relate to that.
But not everyone can. I hear the same things that people give as advice for that that isn't helping as well.
It took meds or HRT and talk therapy to be able to face it and then start the process to recover enough to face the world again.
HRT takes care of a lot of dysphoria right away, but not all of it, there are always lingering traces, there are for most of us.
Depression is even worse in how debilitating it can be, there isn't a cure...
Only keeping it under control. I can after years of trying different meds and therapy. I keep it at arms length from me most days.
Most days... Some days I don't even have to think about it, I'm lucky that way.
A lot of people secretly keep it hidden away, because the advice that doesn't help, it hurts that people could think you can wish it away with some magical advice from some swami guru's book of knowledge.
Doesn't work that way.
It can help, but know that it probably won't, just makes it worse.

So I applaud peoples efforts, but know that simple advice rarely does any kind of long term help with it.
The best advice is to calmly let a person know you realize that something might be wrong.
Seeking professional help is always good advice, because far to many people think they can beat it because of all the 'good' advice they hear.
I took a lot of that to heart and it is all good advice, I use a lot of it, but not for depression, sadness maybe, just maybe.
But most of it is just generally good advice for life in general and it is appreciated and I did learn a lot from it.
But know that it never ever did anything to stop the real thing that was wrong, real depression, major or clinical.

Most people who are suffering from true depression have know idea the extent it has taken over their lives.
They want to believe that almost anything will help, wanting to avoid the stigma towards antidepressants and therapy.
Because of the stigma that society places on you.
You hear it all the time, the whispers, 'they're depressed...'
You rarely hear that about lesser things like broken bones and other things that can and do heal in time.
Mental disorders are like a voodoo curse.
You have one and people treat you like they will catch it, or worse yet just turn their back on you because they can't fix it for you.
Of course they can't, it doesn't work that way.
The very best thing you can do is to acknowledge it and accept it.
I have to, I have no other choice.
It's either accept it for what it is or off myself.
Tried that, it didn't work out so well...
(*Yah, I know, it triggers me too.)

I can't let it go, but you can, it's mine, not yours.
But the one small thing that is so huge that you can do is to not stop your love, not to withhold it from someone who is depressed.
It's the very best thing you can do.
It's a sign that you have that kind of respect for what I or anyone else is going through.
We do that here with a lot of gender related problems and depression is a very real problem for a lot of us here, it comes with the territory it seems.
I see the love we have in comments around here all the time, we are good at it.
Really good.
Just thought you might like to know what you're up against when you know someone is depressed.
Just being there is the best thing you can do.
Let the people who are depressed know you won't give up on them.
I won't.
I can't.
I have no choice in this, I have to.
If I do give up, I give up on myself, the worst thing that I could do to me, a person who is clinically depressed.
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Satinjoy

Makes worried I'll do more harm than good.

But I know we all care deeply about Alexi, and Ativan too.

I had to put two of my kids into the mental hospital for anxiety and depression when the family was being stalked by the sex predator.

It hurt to do that, but it was the best thing I could have done for them at the time.

They are much better now than before.  They had been in a scary place, a dangerous place.  They wanted out.

They are beautiful children, people talk about it a lot, sweet young adults now.

But I can't imagine how clinical depression goes, and my heart goes out to both of you.  I just hope I don't ever trigger anyone in a bad way.  I don't know if I did that or not.  The heart was right though. 

I just want to offer my hope, love, and support.

I have to get one of the kids back to a psychiatrist again, for anxiety.  Now.  It comes and goes for her.  Its a pain in the butt.  Anxiety and depression.  She's been off meds, now she needs some again.

But the love of our family for each other has seen us through for a long time. 

This place, right here, right now,  is a family.

We love you.  We love both of you, Ativan, and Alexi, you are our family here.

If it makes the tinyest difference, I hope that helps.   We truly care, and a lot.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Alexi

I'm going to need some time to digest the most recent replies, I hope nobody minds. I stared into a mirror earlier and imagined myself as I want to be, but it seems further away, further adrift than ever. It's finding the easiest place to begin that's most difficult, nevermind trying to find my actual self.

I'm meeting my therapist again, but I've not told them about my thoughts and my MD prefers that I continue with therapy and won't prescribe antidepressants. Depression isn't anything unfamiliar, I've suffered bouts of it for a long time, and been diagnosed, but it's controlling it that's the hardest, especially without people for physical support.
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ativan

Talk therapy is better than meds.
Let your therapist know, they need to know what is going on in your life.
They are your guide, the person who can help the most.
Meds take the edge off, not all that much more.
Sometimes they are needed, but your therapist can help get more to the heart of it.
I'm here, as are others.
You're not alone in this. Take the time you need.
It's nice to see you back again today.
I will see my new therapist today, this afternoon.
It's going to be like starting over again, but I have a good base under me now, so it should go pretty smoothly.
I've met her, I think she'll work out just fine.
I'll be in and out all day, gone for a few hours this afternoon, so PM if you'd like, I'm here.
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mrs izzy

Quote from: Alexi on August 28, 2014, 11:16:22 AM
I've suffered bouts of it for a long time, and been diagnosed, but it's controlling it that's the hardest, especially without people for physical support.

We are here anytime for your support.

Hugs
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Alexi

#79
I can't do it. I really can't do it. I hope I didn't worry anybody, I had an anxiety attack because of a trigger.
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