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Started by suzifrommd, July 28, 2014, 10:02:34 AM

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suzifrommd

I have a strong unshakable belief that if I had been born a cisgender woman, my life would have been right in so many of the ways that it was wrong when I presented as a male. I'm not alone in that. I've read many posts here and met people in real life with the same feeling. A trans friend eats herself up over this issue. I thought maybe transition would help, but the notion has persisted into living full-time and even survived my recent SRS.

It's not true.

Yes, I would be spared gender dysphoria (as I would have if I had been born a cis male).

And yes, I would not have gone through a transition.

And yes, I did miss out on large swaths of womanhood by waiting until my 50s to enter it.

But it's a complete fallacy that I would somehow be happier, let alone euphoric, if I'd been born a cis woman. I'd still be suffering from the usual ills that befall females and (and other genders). Self esteem. Conflict between parenthood and work life. Financial and health concerns. Fitting in socially. Etc. There is simply no way to tell whether I would have been happy had I been born a girl named Suzi.

In short, the notion that having been born a cis woman would have given me a better life is a complete fallacy.

An illusion.

I've begun to use this to combat my thoughts of having missed out on growing up and maturing as a female. Yes my life would have been different, and yes I would avoid all the pratfalls of being trans. But happier? Who can say? It helps me to see that this sort of cis-envy is a distraction. Transitioning was an amazing experience, something cis people never feel. I'm euphoric when I see myself as a woman. Cis people NEVER experience gender euphoria.

Do other people agree with this? Is this something trans folk can use to help salve the feelings of jealousy?
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Sephirah

I have thought about this long and hard. And I will state at the outset that this post is only as it affects me personally, and is in no way an attempt to speak for anyone else. But on balance... no, I don't agree. I think my life would have been happier had I been born correctly. For one main reason:

A great many experiences I had, and choices I made, while growing up were directly influenced by my incessant feeling of not being right. And they had long lasting effects throughout my life. Although I made the choices, they did not feel like choices. Or, more specifically... in hindsight they did not feel like choices. They felt like attempts to escape this feeling, and an attempt to escape those who took advantage of me not fitting in with the stereotypical life and lifestyle of someone I was supposed to be but wasn't.

These choices felt like they were made for me, based on a lack of alternatives, or desperation, or sheer misery. And I feel that while my life may not have been tangibly happier in the choices I made were I born correctly... they would have been my choices to make. Free of the relentless feeling of being different, being someone who didn't belong. And in that, I find an intrinsic happiness which comes from the freedom of being able to make one's own choices and know that they are one's own. Of living a real life, not escaping a bleak existence in an attempt to repress something which only brought pain through lack of self-realisation and information. Conformity, for me, was not living. Conformity was the escape of a weak psyche who didn't know better.

I would have been happier knowing the mistakes I made, the times I screwed up, weren't because of a fundamental inability to fit in with my peer group. Of not understanding the nuances in conversation, expectation, romantic protocol, or self-imposed isolation caused by feeling decidedly awkward or uncomfortable. I would have been happier to not have to feel like every encounter was a clandestine operation, with me playing the part of someone I wasn't. Nodding and smiling from behind a mask. Forming friendships with people but never escaping the aching loneliness that comes from knowing that however close you get, they never know the real you.

I may have had a different set of problems had I been born correctly, but they wouldn't have been problems compounded and exacerbated by one rather huge problem. And one which coloured my responses and coping strategies for every other one. One which became not a life, but a life sentence. A prison with no bars.

The thing is, though, I am not sad for missing out on womanhood, in an anatomical sense. I don't lament what I never had, because I cannot know how my life would have been were I born correctly. For all I know, I might have done most of the same things exactly the same way but for different reasons. I take comfort in the belief that I did live my life as a woman, because that's just what I am. What I feel sad for is that no one ever knew it other than me... eventually, all the issues that led to directly and indirectly... and that it's taken so long for me to figure that out. Had I not needed to figure it out at all, my life would have been happier. Because it would have felt more like mine from the start.

Everyone's life is different, however, and I don't think there's a blanket statement which applies to everyone. People find their own answers. The above only applies to me. And I understand what you're getting at, Suzi. Lack of unhappiness isn't the same as happiness. It's easy to say something would have made you happier when the antithesis of that thing made you miserable. But if you never knew that antithesis... how can it? How can you know pleasure without pain?

In that, my answer is very biased, and very subjective. Because it's incredibly hard to imagine not knowing that antithesis when it's impacted on so much of your life. Maybe by happier I just mean ignorance, in my case, is bliss.
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Wynternight

Speaking solely for myself I find your argument invalid. Yes, I would have a whole different set of problems but I would not have a life where every facet is defined by overwhelming GID.

I'll trade a normal life of woes and issues as a woman vs. this vale of tears as a transsexual. any damn day.
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Hikari

I would have a better life for sure...but, I don't know anyone who would claim to have euphoria having been born cisgender... I mean cisgender people are not euphoric in everyday life either lol.

It would be however, selling the issue of GID very short to not pay attention to the fact that the tendrils of dysphoria stretch deep into all aspects of ones life. Without that, I probably would have never been depressed at all outside of specific short term circumstances (like death in the family, breakups, etc). I am not at all depressed on HRT, if my life had been like this, since the start it would have been amazingly better. I would have still struggled, I would have still been poor, but it would have been better. Not Euphoric, not some fairy tale, but not some dysphoria fueled spiral of self loathing.
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: suzifrommd on July 28, 2014, 10:02:34 AM
But it's a complete fallacy that I would somehow be happier, let alone euphoric, if I'd been born a cis woman. I'd still be suffering from the usual ills that befall females and (and other genders). Self esteem. Conflict between parenthood and work life. Financial and health concerns. Fitting in socially. Etc. There is simply no way to tell whether I would have been happy had I been born a girl named Suzi.

I agree. I still would have been forced to deal with the same medical issues (that had nothing to do with being trans) and I still would have been an outcast once I moved and changed schools mid way through grade school. BUT the few good things (I'm not going to say being in the right body because....I mean, come on....DUH!) would have been: I would have taken better care of myself, exercising with my mom in the morning and all that. I wouldn't have given up on outdoor activities like walking around the neighborhood or riding my bike since I would not need to worry about running into the local idiots and having to fight anywhere from three to seven on one. There were only three other girls in the housing addition that we lived in. One was a real mellow church going chick that never bothered anybody. The other two were a couple of bitches that would try to start stuff. But I know that I could have stomped both of them into the dirt if they tried anything. Especially once my mother showed me a few fighting moves.
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ErinWDK

I am not too sure my life would have been just a lot better if I were born cis-female.  My psyche has a male part that has been battered, buffeted, and thoroughly crushed by early life experiences.  My psyche also has a female part that went through the same and only came out standing because she was so much stronger.  The two have co-existed for over sixty years with the female part only visible to those who knew what to look for.  Maybe if I was cis-female and only had the female part of my psyche I might have avoided the damage - and avoided decades of depression.  That is a maybe, not for sure by any means.  It would not lead to "euphoria" as if I were cis-female I would know no difference.

I am sort of an odd one out here, as I am a really convoluted mess, so my findings relate to me only.


Erin
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Jess42

Quote from: ErinWDK on July 28, 2014, 02:42:48 PM
I am not too sure my life would have been just a lot better if I were born cis-female.  My psyche has a male part that has been battered, buffeted, and thoroughly crushed by early life experiences.  My psyche also has a female part that went through the same and only came out standing because she was so much stronger.  The two have co-existed for over sixty years with the female part only visible to those who knew what to look for.  Maybe if I was cis-female and only had the female part of my psyche I might have avoided the damage - and avoided decades of depression.  That is a maybe, not for sure by any means.  It would not lead to "euphoria" as if I were cis-female I would know no difference.

I am sort of an odd one out here, as I am a really convoluted mess, so my findings relate to me only.


Erin

Wow, Erin. I just don't know what to say. But yeah, you are right. Still though I would rather have been female with minor male aspects to my psyche.

Life sux period. Some people are born rich and priveledged and end up being greedy selfish people that only have friends beccause of what they can do for them. Some people are born and are genetically disposed to being fat, this causes them great suffering through life. Some people are born gentically too skinny in which no matter how much they eat they never gain an ounce and usually causes health problems down the road.

Not to mention other birth defects like downs syndrome, missing limbs, really underdeveloped brains and the list of things could go on and on.

Even though I would rather have been born cisfemale I still have two legs I gotta' shave. Two small boobs that were a birth defect, Thank you nature? A cups and just enough for a handful. I have ten fingers and ten toes that I can put pretty colors on. Hair nearly nipple length now. So even though it sux that I was not born cisfemale like I really really really wish I could have been, at least I got two legs to shave and two underarms to shave and two arms to trim the hair on and a mind and brain that functions enough to decide what I want to do if I choose to go farther down the trans road.

Sorry suzi, for some reason I am in a "cup half full" mood right now. Tomorrow I may post in your thread and be ready to give up 'cause I spilled what was in the cup somehow. ???

But seriously I don't think anyone's life is perfect, if it seems to be it is definatley a dellusion.
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Stochastic

I completely understand if that is how individuals feel. I also never thought about how CIS have their own challenges and how many struggle with acceptance whether it is body image, money, etc. For those of us here that find acceptance, we may have have an advantage over CIS still struggling.

I may be the odd one here, but I would not change one thing in my life so far. I have a career that allowed me to travel to unique places in the US. I have found my soulmate and have two loving children (when they behave :angel:). I really do like to pay bills because it reminds me of the modern conveniences that I can afford.

I am thankful that I can now manage my dysphoria day by day. My transition is a very slow but forward moving process. If I was born female, I may have gone down a path that is different from my present day reality. As painful as dysphoria was, and still is, it is not nearly as bad as the thought of living a life that is different from what I have now. And yes, I love being comforted by the thoughts of my true gender - Julia
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Felix

I was not aware that any trangender people believed that being cisgender is a euphoric state. If anyone got down that path in their minds it might be because they've been worn down by the suffering dysphoria causes, and any experience outside of that probably looks like ecstacy.

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suzifrommd

Quote from: Felix on July 31, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
I was not aware that any trangender people believed that being cisgender is a euphoric state. If anyone got down that path in their minds it might be because they've been worn down by the suffering dysphoria causes, and any experience outside of that probably looks like ecstacy.

No, not really like that. I for one, for whatever reason, have never really suffered because of my gender, but I still have this notion that if I'd been a cisgirl, I would have been so much happier.

I've heard other people talk about how much they wish they'd been born as a cis member of their gender. Maybe there aren't that many and I just notice them because I have the same wish, but it seems like I hear that a lot.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Felix

You are definitely right that a lot of us, maybe most of us, wish we had been born cisgender. I wish I had been born cismale, but many people would be happy with any kind of cis. That desire is real.

I do think that I would personally have been happier if I had been a "normal" guy than I am as a transguy, but only because it would be less complicated. I've never believed I would have been inherently a better or more okay person.

I also work to keep in mind that if I had been cis, I would have taken that for granted. I would not have been able to appreciate it as being what I see now as an outsider.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Felix on August 02, 2014, 12:02:47 AM
I do think that I would personally have been happier if I had been a "normal" guy than I am as a transguy, but only because it would be less complicated.

It probably would have.

But I think there's more to it than that.

Because I notice you don't feel the same way if you had been a cis girl. And I certainly don't wish I could have been born a cis guy (nor, I would imagine, do most trans women). But you and I would not have had gender issues under those circumstances.

So I think there's more to it than just not wanting to deal with gender issues.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Carrie Liz

This is one of the things that I'll always thank Nero for... he showed me that had I been born cis, my life wouldn't have been all sunshine and roses.

In fact, when I really think about it, I probably wouldn't even like my cis-female self.

The reason I say this, is because I have a BIG problem with self-assertion. I stifle myself for the sake of not offending others, I start liking things just because other people like them, and I put a BIG stake in wanting everyone to like me and accept me. Plug this into female socialization, which is nothing but a giant unending stream of people telling you how you need to act in order to be desirable, and it becomes a pretty big problem. The only reason why I had to break out of this attitude and learn to define myself on my own terms was because I'm trans... because at some point, in order to be happy, I had no choice but to go against the crowd. As a cis-girl, though? Nope. I probably would have been one of those wannabe girls who acts fakely super-feminine just to get others to like me, I probably would have had a VERY hard time saying "no" to guys, and in all honesty, I probably would have ended up married young, having kids, with my entire life still revolving around how other people see me and how I can appease others.

So as much as I hate to say this, I wouldn't like the life of my cis counterpart. She would have been like Bianca Stratford from "10 Things I Hate About You"... fake. Just being what everyone else wanted me to be. Being trans forced me to grow up, and forced me to learn to make my own self-worth and forge my own identity. So as much as I hate it, and wish I could just be completely female, I don't think I'd trade it for my hypothetical life as a cis-woman. If I was going to be cis, it would have to be with all of my present memories and life experiences intact.
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Carrie Liz on August 02, 2014, 11:33:20 AM
The reason I say this, is because I have a BIG problem with self-assertion. I stifle myself for the sake of not offending others, I start liking things just because other people like them, and I put a BIG stake in wanting everyone to like me and accept me. Plug this into female socialization, which is nothing but a giant unending stream of people telling you how you need to act in order to be desirable, and it becomes a pretty big problem. The only reason why I had to break out of this attitude and learn to define myself on my own terms was because I'm trans... because at some point, in order to be happy, I had no choice but to go against the crowd. As a cis-girl, though? Nope. I probably would have been one of those wannabe girls who acts fakely super-feminine just to get others to like me, I probably would have had a VERY hard time saying "no" to guys, and in all honesty, I probably would have ended up married young, having kids, with my entire life still revolving around how other people see me and how I can appease others.

I'm the opposite. I would have been even more assertive and not gave a damn about being popular (since no one liked me anyway, what would I stand to lose?).  Especially since I know for an absolute fact that I still would have been a metalhead and that would have most definitely been something that made me stand out. I MAY have been a girly girl, or I may have been a tomboy. That one I can't say for sure.
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Felix

Quote from: suzifrommd on August 02, 2014, 08:42:55 AM
It probably would have.

But I think there's more to it than that.

Because I notice you don't feel the same way if you had been a cis girl. And I certainly don't wish I could have been born a cis guy (nor, I would imagine, do most trans women). But you and I would not have had gender issues under those circumstances.

So I think there's more to it than just not wanting to deal with gender issues.
For sure.

I am glad you are calling attention to the upsides of all this.
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janetcgtv

The Euphoria comes from finally being able to be self.

When you are living by being a woman you are.
One of the new realities will suddenly be faced by you.
One of things you will notice will be that you are being paid 60% of what you used to earn doing your present job.

If a woman or a man would have the same job, the woman gets 60% of what the man gets
Women have to work harder in the job as women do not get the same respect as men get even if the woman has an IQ double the man and/or as more knowledge about the job.

That there is no need to have any euphoria , if born a cis woman as you would already be there.
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Wynternight

Quote from: janetcgtv on August 03, 2014, 04:24:39 PM
The Euphoria comes from finally being able to be self.

When you are living by being a woman you are.
One of the new realities will suddenly be faced by you.
One of things you will notice will be that you are being paid 60% of what you used to earn doing your present job.

If a woman or a man would have the same job, the woman gets 60% of what the man gets
Women have to work harder in the job as women do not get the same respect as men get even if the woman has an IQ double the man and/or as more knowledge about the job.

That there is no need to have any euphoria , if born a cis woman as you would already be there.


I suppose I'm lucky to work in a female dominated field (nursing) as I won't have to worry (in all likelihood) about taking a pay cut to my male colleagues. I do find, however, that even more experienced nurses come to me when they need aid or info so that may end once I fully transition.
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on August 02, 2014, 11:57:38 AM
I'm the opposite. I would have been even more assertive and not gave a damn about being popular (since no one liked me anyway, what would I stand to lose?).  Especially since I know for an absolute fact that I still would have been a metalhead and that would have most definitely been something that made me stand out. I MAY have been a girly girl, or I may have been a tomboy. That one I can't say for sure.
I definitely would have been more assertive as I'm pretty sure my diffidence is due to feeling fake and unworthy as a man.

I fully intend to be a better woman than I've been a man. That alone will bring me satisfaction if not euphoria.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

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Wynternight

Quote from: Dee Walker on August 04, 2014, 01:24:15 PM
I definitely would have been more assertive as I'm pretty sure my diffidence is due to feeling fake and unworthy as a man.

I fully intend to be a better woman than I've been a man. That alone will bring me satisfaction if not euphoria.

Bolded and quoted for great truth!!
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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janetcgtv

Wynternight:

I don't think the women at your job would lose respect for you , as women are more accepting.

The drop in pay happened to a TS in a male dominated field,Computer Programming. This was on TV about a story of what happens to someone who transitioned on the job.
The good thing about it was that she was able to retain her job.
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