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is the curved forehead thing a lie?

Started by Ataraxia, August 03, 2014, 08:50:43 AM

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Ataraxia

I have heard and read in a few places that having a curved forehead is a masculine trait and having a vertical one is a feminine trait, which is something that has always worried me because when I look at mine from the side, it looks a little curved. But after looking at a lot of women and men--both in the real world and on television and etc.--I think that might actually be a lie. When I look at women with curved foreheads, it doesn't make me think they look masculine, and when I see men with vertical forehead, it doesn't seem to do a thing towards making them look feminine. In fact, some of the prettiest women I've seen had curved foreheads, and some of the most masculine men I've seen had vertical foreheads. If I really had to guess, it would seem that it's the actually other way around, but overall, it doesn't do much to affect my perception of someone as masculine or feminine. So is there any truth to this, that a curved forehead is a masculine trait?
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Myarkstir

The actual thing most mtf girls here look at is the brow bossing, the area immediatly above the eyes. This is much  more prominent in male bone structure. You can see the difference from the before and after pictures in the various ffs threads here.

Some only have to have the bone area a shaved, while others need full on reconstruction. Meaning rermoving the bone, reconstructing it and placing it back.
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Ataraxia

Oh yea, I know about that, but I've also heard that in addition to that, having a sloped forehead is also a masculine trait.
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Myarkstir

Nah really only the eye area. If you had an extremely diagonal forehead maybe but it would then still fall into bone reconstrution as it would be needed for the smooth eyebrows anyway.

Dr chett's website has some good before\after pics to help you here think.
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Auroramarianna

I kindof have it too. It makes me so sad. The brow bone makes the eyes lool more deep set, giving a more masculine look. :c
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ClaudiaLove

  There are many features that make one perceive a face masculine or feminine , yet usually the perception is unconsciously . We can understand some ( especially us , as transgenders , focusing on what we need to change ) , yet we don't get such an accurate assessment of what is male or female . We just see an image and from instinct and acquired information a ' sentence ' is given , masculine , feminine or sometimes an mixed face .
  Initially I thought that the mathematical approach , with angles and proportion that describe the ideal face or body is exaggerated and an anthropic and superficial attempt to describe the complexity of Nature . Yet I noticed that they were true  and basically the     
  Nature really is somehow mathematically . Scientists / plastic surgeons only found the ' secret combinations ' .
  For example in foreheads , yes , usually vertical is considered feminine , and also it is important the angle the forehead makes with the nose .
  It varies a lot though , for example based on ethnicity / race , we are a lot different and the standards are different too . It is difficult for an unspecialized person to make a correct instinctual judgement on another person's facial features , if their races are different  .
  There are also purposes and explanations of why we  perceive and appreciate gender specific features . For example a strong and thick male skull is required for shock resistance and the bross helps with fierce appearance . A male with a ' caveman ' appearance is considered attractive by most women , unconsciously , because he possessed the proof that he is a good exemplar of his sex/gender . It  is natural selection , we feel it like an instinct and usually we are now aware why a person looks attractive to us . Same with the hair ( having a 10 inch long hair means that most likely you were healthy the last two years , as hair is really sensitive to disease , so because you were healthy you are an attractive mate ) , digit ratio , and basically all secondary characteristics .
Also , most of the time , we focus on beauty , and beauty , although related somehow with the features' gender , it is not decisive . We always hear about many of the most appreciated women models , having masculine features .
Many biologic rules have been broken by our natural selection , for example many of us want a male partner without excessive body hair , or find attractive the faces with a mix of gender specific features , instead of the classic , strict , binary ones .


To be honest I don't know if I was at least a little coherent there , It is some kind of rant because I am so disgusted of my masculine look and features , mixed with some brain fog - I really don't feel that good now  .


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Lady_Oracle

I was honestly freaking out about this a few months ago but realized I don't have any brow bossing, but my forehead isn't flat it's curved. If it was making me look unpassable I'd be saving up for ffs but it's not an issue at all. I've seen women with the same type of brows so its whatever to me to now. My only issue with my face is my nose but then again it's not something that is making passing a problem, so I'm in no rush to get surgery. My natural feminine facial features compensate for the other features that are considered masculine.
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Ataraxia

So basically, it sounds like the vertical forehead thing is a lie. I've seen sooo many completely masculine looking guys with vertical foreheads, regardless of ethnicity. I'm pretty confident that there's no truth.to this, and thank goodness, the last thing I need is something else to stress about :)
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Joanna Dark

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but it is true. Now to what degree any one male or female falls into said features is something else. But inb general it is true. that it is why many trans women need brow bossing surgery. Nothing can be done about the slope. One word: Bangs. Problem solved. Learn to contour with makeup. Not all MAAB people have sloped heads and bossing. I don't. And I'm sure there are FAAB peeps with bossing and sloped foreheads. Here are some skull shots to show the distinction. It's actually how they identify if a decompaossed body is male or female. I'm sure I have it to some degree but it's unnoticeable cause i'm tiny or something. Don't know. Or cause of the IS.



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Ataraxia

Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 03, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but it is true. Now to what degree any one male or female falls into said features is something else. But inb general it is true. that it is why many trans women need brow bossing surgery. Nothing can be done about the slope. One word: Bangs. Problem solved. Learn to contour with makeup. Not all MAAB people have sloped heads and bossing. I don't. And I'm sure there are FAAB peeps with bossing and sloped foreheads. Here are some skull shots to show the distinction. It's actually how they identify if a decompaossed body is male or female. I'm sure I have it to some degree but it's unnoticeable cause i'm tiny or something. Don't know. Or cause of the IS.





I guess there might be a little bit of truth to it, but it just doesn't seem consistent enough to be an actual gender marker. I've just never looked at a woman with a curved forehead and said "what a masculine forehead she has". Same for men with straight foreheads. I guess if there is a difference it's too subtle to notice.

I know the bone under the eyebrow is masculine, but fortunately I don't have that to any noticeable extent :)
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Allyda

I have more of a vertical or straight forehead however to some degree I believe we all have some traits of the other even if very minor. But I've seen some extremely beautiful women though that have a slightly curved forehead. I think race plays a part in this as well as genetics.

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Ataraxia

Thats definitely true but what I was bringing up in this thread is whether or not it's even a masculine trait at all. My conclsuion so far is that it isnt.

I should also clarify that I'm not even sure if I have it. Sometimes I feel like I do and sometimes I don't, but my mind has a tendency to exaggerate things for the worst when I'm feeling down on myself. So it could just be my imagination, but who knows...
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Auroramarianna

Quote from: riversong on August 04, 2014, 12:06:55 AM
Thats definitely true but what I was bringing up in this thread is whether or not it's even a masculine trait at all. My conclsuion so far is that it isnt.

I should also clarify that I'm not even sure if I have it. Sometimes I feel like I do and sometimes I don't, but my mind has a tendency to exaggerate things for the worst when I'm feeling down on myself. So it could just be my imagination, but who knows...

You might have it, or you may not. But it doesn't really matter. "Passing" is more about the whole package than a specific feature. You can have a strong bow bossing and still pass, if the other features compensate for it. I myself kinda have a slopped forehead, though it also has due to with fat. I think HRT and its fat redistribution can slightly change the prominience of brow ridge. But don't worry :) I'm sure you're also exaggerating because you feel insecure as most of us do.

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