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Started by Atypical, October 09, 2014, 08:18:10 PM

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Atypical

This might be kind of controversial/a big can o' worms to open, so forgive me if it's a bad topic. But I've been really perplexed for some time now when it comes to sexuality. Not my own or anything like that, but what -defines- it. I've seen two sides of the war. On one end, you've got transmen (or all sorts of people, really) who feel sexuality is about the sex you're attracted to. So, if a bio male is gay, then he prefers penis and transmen are sorta out of that possibility. On the other side there are people who think sexuality is about what gender you're attracted to, so a gay male would prefer someone who identifies as male regardless their anatomy.

I can see points to both sides but it's a lot to wrap my mind around and I'd like other opinions. Personally, I tell anyone who I might even potentially date that I don't have the junk they might be expecting... otherwise it just feels kind of wrong. But I've known guys who haven't and surprised their partners, sometimes with it not going too well.
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h3llsb3lls

I am ftm. My husband now identifies as a bi man in a homosexual relationship. I am pansexual.
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Pikachu

This sort of gets into the reason I started identifying as asexual after my last relationship ended. She had all these fetishes and physical preferences and it seemed like everything revolved around sexual interest in some way, and I was ALWAYS stressed over, "Will she still want to be with me if I refuse to do this?" "Will she still want to be with me if I change this about my appearance?" "What if she doesn't like this part of my body?" Because it felt like the love she had for me stemmed from her lust, not the other way around, as it should have.

I never, EVER want to be in a relationship where I feel my genitals are vital to its survival.
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Contravene

Even if someone considers sexuality to be defined by the physical sexual characteristics they prefer it doesn't necessarily mean they only like the sexual organs. They might like other things like secondary sexual characteristics. So, to use your example, gay men could be sexually attracted to more or other things about the male body than just the penis.
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Atypical

It can get a bit frustrating at times, people have such differing views. In my neighborhood there's a really popular gay bar and it's a common theme that transmen are sorta viewed as 'traps'. Seems in a lot of gay communities, your genitals can be a serious deal-breaker. And I don't at all blame people who have that kind of preference. Doing so is no better than telling a homosexual they can choose their sexuality, IMO. Like what really narrow-minded parents tell a gay son to just get with a more masculine female or something, when what's below the belt does matter to him.

I dunno. Either way it seems someone is going to be hurt/upset/offended.

Edit: It'd definitely be nice if more people care less though, for sure. I'm always nervous about the idea of not letting someone know ahead of time when it comes to potential relationships, I've heard people can react in ways that are dangerous.
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trinityvause

I'm sexually attracted to males... emotionally attracted to females... it's complicated.
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NathanielM

To me sexuality is about traits I'm attracted too. Maybe also simply because gender doesn't come into play there. I do think sexuality as in gay/lesbian/bi/pan/... is mainly decided by the gender you're attracted too. The thing is in the current society, man often means penis and women means vagina. Which I think is a first reason why it often seems defined by sex, our society doesn't make the difference often enough. Also secondary to the gender your attracted to, you als have expectation surrounding how the sex should go which are again influenced by the previous thing.
To be fair, and this is completely nonscientific me-thinking stuff, I think it sounds like ALL cis gay men want a penis but I think that that would be different if our society didn't make such a big deal about genitals. Sure, some maybe even most guys would still feel that way (and that's fine) but those who didn't would be more open about it because now they often get questioned and invalidated when they decide it's about gender and not genitals.
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Ayden

I'm a gay ftm and my husband is a gay man. I've talked to several gay (bio) men and I get mixed results. There are certainly people who prefer a certain genital configuration. I've met lesbians who are in long term relationships with pre-op and non-op trans women, I've talked to gay men in relationships with pre-op and non-op (bottom and top surgery) trans men. I've talked to people in both groups who are attracted to trans people and can't get over the genital stuff. I've meet hetro couples and people who are both ways.

It's confusing. I agree. For my relationship I can say this: my husband is gay. He is attracted to men, he prefers men and their biology and he loves me. I lack the genitals in the conventional sense. We've talked about it extensively because I didnt want him to be unfulfilled or repulsed by my physical reality. He views me as male. After top surgery the main characteristic is gone. He was attracted to me before because who I am, but the breasts got in the way for both of us. He dealt with them because it was a small thing compared to the whole. Now that they are gone, I've noticed that he can barely not express interest.

I asked him about this because I was worried that it would be that way with bottom surgery and here is what he said: "I'm more attracted to you now because I can see you as being happy. You're a man and you're happy. That confidence as a man is what always attracted me to you, even when you lived as a woman. But now you're so confident it's irresistible."

I define sexuality like I do gender. It's fluid and confusing. Are bigendered folk less because one day they feel like one gender and then next the other? (I'm not trying to insult the non-binary here, I just don't how else to explain it.) I have a gay male partner who looks at me and sees a man. I don't have "a dick" in the traditional sense, but he looks at my genitalia and sees a penis. One of my dearest friends is a lesbian and she's in a fairly new relationship with a trans woman who is pre-op and will be for the foreseeable future. Stephie said she sees her girlfriend naked and she sees a beautiful woman with nice breasts and a vagina.

I know it's not a clear answer, and I guess that's my point. There isn't one. Sexuality is confusing and at some points odd and make no sense to those outside the relationship. What I can say is that no two relationships are the same. Mine and my husbands relationship isn't the same as my parents relationship, my best friends relationships, my brothers polyamorous relationships. At the end of the day, does it matter how someone else lives happily?

Your sexuality will be different from every other humans. Your relationships will be different.

I wish I could explain it better, but hopefully that made some sense.

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Nygeel

Yeah, gay dudes are attracted to trans men. In my neck of the woods many in the bear community have been sexual with trans men.
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