Transwomen with Beards

[Melissa]

At this point, I don't understand why anybody who has transitioned even cares if some person wants to have a beard and call herself TS, especially you melissa90299.  My understanding, from what you have said in the past, is that you pass just fine and are only seen as a GG.  If that's so, what does it really matter to you whether somebody with a beard identifies as TS?  Unless you are still going around telling people you are TS and don't want to be associated with that person, it really shouldn't make a difference one way or another.  I haven't been visiting this thread much myself because I really don't care what somebody with a beard wants to do and either way, this person really has little effect on my life.

I can understand somebody who has yet to transition having a concern that when they come out, seeing a person like this may lead people to the incorrect assumption that TS's go around with beards.  However, if anybody makes that assumption about TS, it will only make it that much easier for you to pass.

Sometimes in the city I work in I see this one man who wears skirts all the time.  I say man because I have no idea what he identifies as since I haven't talked to him, but he appears male.  He makes absolutely no effort to look female (although he doesn't have a beard), but I've never see anybody bug him or anything.  My guess is that he is dysphoric, but homeless, so he has no money to transition and does what he can to ease the discomfort.  As far as I'm concerned, I don't care what anybody wants to look like as long as they are happy living that way.

[Sophia]

Sophia, which religious faith does this fictitious person you created adhere to?

None obviously, since they aren't real. The point remains that such a scenario is possible.

Or is this like the Church of We Are Women Even Though We Present Ourselves as Men Congegation of the Anointed.

Sarcasm is cute but kinda pointless. If you can't dispute the possibility of this happening, just admit so and we'll move on.

You can dance on the head of the pin and peddle all the pyscho-babble you want

I certainly can. And so far I've made my case and you've yet to break it.

but anyone who thinks she is a woman and wears a beard because of a religious conviction needs her head examined.

Whether its illogical, crazy or silly is completely irrelevant. It is still possible and perhaps even probable that it could occur. While I personally agree that retaining a beard when you're a woman is a foolish and perhaps even stupid thing to do there are reasons for doing so that do not negate that person's womanhood.

Since them being illogical, stupid or even crazy wasn't what we were discussing I'm assuming that you and me have come to an agreement that a woman can have justification for having a beard and still be a woman (no matter how crazy she might seem for it.)

Are we ready to move on from this tangent now? How we would react to that person, how we would treat them, and why is what we should be discussing.

Posted on: August 07, 2007, 07:11:14 PM

I can understand somebody who has yet to transition having a concern that when they come out, seeing a person like this may lead people to the incorrect assumption that TS's go around with beards.

Even in that case its really not a big deal. The people that do assume that will ask why I'm not walking around in a beard when I'm dressed as a woman and then I have an opportunity to dispel the assumption they made.

[Melissa]

Even in that case its really not a big deal. The people that do assume that will ask why I'm not walking around in a beard when I'm dressed as a woman and then I have an opportunity to dispel the assumption they made.

Exactly!

[Rachael]

this woman is a transwoman right? so id probably treat them like a woman, and carefully enquire as to its existance. and possibly tell them that thier nuts...
R

[tinkerbell]

Melissa90299, so this person is real, correct?  has she mentioned why she has a full beard?  I mean, can't she afford electrolysis?  is she trying to make a point?  does she just want to be a "woman" with a beard or what?  what is her deal IOW?  Did you have a chance to talk to her?

tink

[Rachael]

if she cant afford electrolysis, she could shave... its not impossible...

R

[melissa90299]

Melissa90299, so this person is real, correct?  has she mentioned why she has a full beard?  I mean, can't she afford electrolysis?  is she trying to make a point?  does she just want to be a "woman" with a beard or what?  what is her deal IOW?  Did you have a chance to talk to her?

tink

I can't say much due to privacy concerns, I have seen this person but have not talked to her and found out from my girlfriends that she "thinks she is a woman."  No one accepts it, they simply think she is a nut. And the women in my circles are very compassionate normally. Everyone just thinks she is a guy who is invading, or trying to invade the inner circle. I was told that when she first started coming around five years ago, there was a great deal more compassion and tolerance. Five years later, she is still presenting as a guy while claiming to be a woman.

People refuse to refer to this person as anything as a guy and refer to this person as he. We can rant and rave all we want but the fact is that the only place people are going to accept a bearded woman is in the circus or at a drag king show.

[tinkerbell]

Melissa90299, so this person is real, correct?  has she mentioned why she has a full beard?  I mean, can't she afford electrolysis?  is she trying to make a point?  does she just want to be a "woman" with a beard or what?  what is her deal IOW?  Did you have a chance to talk to her?

tink

I can't say much due to privacy concerns, I have seen this person but have not talked to her and found out from my girlfriends that she "thinks she is a woman."  No one accepts it, they simply think she is a nut. And the women in my circles are very compassionate normally. Everyone just thinks she is a guy who is invading, or trying to invade the inner circle. I was told that when she first started coming around five years ago, there was a great deal more compassion and tolerance. Five years later, she is still presenting as a guy while claiming to be a woman.

People refuse to refer to this person as anything as a guy and refer to this person as he. We can rant and rave all we want but the fact is that the only place people are going to accept a bearded woman is in the circus or at a drag king show.

I see.  Interesting!  thanks for explaining hon.

tink

[Sophia]

We can rant and rave all we want but the fact is that the only place people are going to accept a bearded woman is in the circus or at a drag king show.

True enough. Social acceptance for a bearded lady is just something I don't expect to see happening anytime soon.

[Suzie]

If you met a person who had a mustache and a goatee and ID'd herself as a transwoman, how would you react? And I am not referring to someone who is PRE-transition,this is someone who is supposedly presenting as female.

If she is trans, she is a lazy (or broke) trans.  But, I would definitely question her intentions, without a doubt.  I mean, broke or not, you can afford a f* razor, give me a break.

I can't stand my facial hair and I am a fanatic about getting it removed, so this is very different from my experience. 

[AmyDanielleTG]

Sometimes in the city I work in I see this one man who wears skirts all the time.  I say man because I have no idea what he identifies as since I haven't talked to him, but he appears male.  He makes absolutely no effort to look female (although he doesn't have a beard), but I've never see anybody bug him or anything.  My guess is that he is dysphoric, but homeless, so he has no money to transition and does what he can to ease the discomfort.  As far as I'm concerned, I don't care what anybody wants to look like as long as they are happy living that way.

There are quite a few men who are pushing for the adoption of skirts and such to be acceptable options for men. 

I have actually done this myself and it is true.  Nobody really bugs you.  And in ways it does ease the discomfort but at times it amplifies it as well.  Just knowing that you are seen as a guy to everyone is not all that comforting.  Remember, it isn't just the clothes that tell us who we are.  I wear girls clothes whenever I can.  Why?  Because thats what girls wear.  Its not my fault I was born with a male body.

So this person you have seen could be very well be a normal guy who just happens to like skirts.  They exist and I tried to be one myself.   It really doesn't help the dysphoria though.  If you are a girl and you look like a guy, there will be a problem sooner or later.  This person could also be dysphoric as well.  Like me.  The only time I don't wear a skirt is while at work.  I have no plans on transitioning anytime at the moment so I guess, I fit the dysphoric version of the person you have seen.

Oh, and I do shave legs, pits, upper chest area, and face.

Amy

[Rachael]

we arnt sayings they look like a guy, they could be 100% passable, but grew a beard for some reason. = wtf country...

R

[candifla]

I don't think it's fair for us to call that bearded woman weird, nutty, disturbed, etc. because she refuses to relinquish her beard.

We are called weird, nutty and disturbed because we refuse to accept our genetic gender.

I myself would feel uncomfortable around that bearded lady, but I have no grounds to say she's a loopy because she has a different way of expressing her gender/identity. Probably ordinary people are as repulsed by us as we may be of the bearded lady.

I thought this forum and the people here would be the last place I'd find such attitudes.

"why don't she shave?", well, I ask, "why don't you come to terms and accept your penis?"

[melissa90299]

I don't think it's fair for us to call that bearded woman weird, nutty, disturbed, etc. because she refuses to relinquish her beard.

We are called weird, nutty and disturbed because we refuse to accept our genetic gender.

I myself would feel uncomfortable around that bearded lady, but I have no grounds to say she's a loopy because she has a different way of expressing her gender/identity. Probably ordinary people are as repulsed by us as we may be of the bearded lady.

I thought this forum and the people here would be the last place I'd find such attitudes.

"why don't she shave?", well, I ask, "why don't you come to terms and accept your penis?"

I don't think anyone here called her weird, nutty or disturbed, the genetic women in my circles think she is nutty and, perhaps, disturbed. They think she is a guy in every way. She acts, looks and, in every way, presents as a guy. People don't get it and resent her trying to enter women only spaces.

Posted on: August 07, 2007, 09:56:22 PM

Sometimes in the city I work in I see this one man who wears skirts all the time.  I say man because I have no idea what he identifies as since I haven't talked to him, but he appears male.  He makes absolutely no effort to look female (although he doesn't have a beard), but I've never see anybody bug him or anything.  My guess is that he is dysphoric, but homeless, so he has no money to transition and does what he can to ease the discomfort.  As far as I'm concerned, I don't care what anybody wants to look like as long as they are happy living that way.

There are quite a few men who are pushing for the adoption of skirts and such to be acceptable options for men. 

I have actually done this myself and it is true.  Nobody really bugs you.  And in ways it does ease the discomfort but at times it amplifies it as well.  Just knowing that you are seen as a guy to everyone is not all that comforting.  Remember, it isn't just the clothes that tell us who we are.  I wear girls clothes whenever I can.  Why?  Because thats what girls wear.  Its not my fault I was born with a male body.

So this person you have seen could be very well be a normal guy who just happens to like skirts. 

This person does not wear skirts nor does she act outwardly as a woman in any manner.

[Jennifer01]

Hi,
    I have been lurking and reading topics. This caught my eye. Many years ago I knew a REAL person like the topic description. Without knowing the person, many conclusions could be drawn, seeing someone like this. Everyones conclusion so far could be, or maybe correct. One thing is what is the persons "core identity" ?.

The person could be TS or TV\CD or GAY or ?
The person may have emotional issues, which may be compounded with other issues.

I myself, seeing someone like this would come to many conclusions. The real issue is, are they really happy ?. If so, then thats what matters  .

                                                  Jennifer

Cute BBS tagline from long ago.

POWMIA...Post-Op Woman Missing Internal Anatomy.

[Blanche]

I agree.. its a lad lying to be a transwoman. but then again, few biological women get a stray chin hair now and then, too.  But they are the ones who do not include hygiene or personal appearance on their things to do list...unfortunately we are the ones who must suffer the consequences.

[Berliegh]

What's a transwomen?

[Sophia]

What's a transwomen?

A girl transformer. Usually transforms into a Hybrid Volkswagon Beetle. Because girls don't need SUV's to compensate for tiny penises.

ROBOTS IN DISGUISE!

[AmyDanielleTG]

I don't think it's fair for us to call that bearded woman weird, nutty, disturbed, etc. because she refuses to relinquish her beard.

We are called weird, nutty and disturbed because we refuse to accept our genetic gender.

I myself would feel uncomfortable around that bearded lady, but I have no grounds to say she's a loopy because she has a different way of expressing her gender/identity. Probably ordinary people are as repulsed by us as we may be of the bearded lady.

I thought this forum and the people here would be the last place I'd find such attitudes.

"why don't she shave?", well, I ask, "why don't you come to terms and accept your penis?"

I don't think anyone here called her weird, nutty or disturbed, the genetic women in my circles think she is nutty and, perhaps, disturbed. They think she is a guy in every way. She acts, looks and, in every way, presents as a guy. People don't get it and resent her trying to enter women only spaces.

Posted on: August 07, 2007, 09:56:22 PM

Sometimes in the city I work in I see this one man who wears skirts all the time.  I say man because I have no idea what he identifies as since I haven't talked to him, but he appears male.  He makes absolutely no effort to look female (although he doesn't have a beard), but I've never see anybody bug him or anything.  My guess is that he is dysphoric, but homeless, so he has no money to transition and does what he can to ease the discomfort.  As far as I'm concerned, I don't care what anybody wants to look like as long as they are happy living that way.

There are quite a few men who are pushing for the adoption of skirts and such to be acceptable options for men. 

I have actually done this myself and it is true.  Nobody really bugs you.  And in ways it does ease the discomfort but at times it amplifies it as well.  Just knowing that you are seen as a guy to everyone is not all that comforting.  Remember, it isn't just the clothes that tell us who we are.  I wear girls clothes whenever I can.  Why?  Because thats what girls wear.  Its not my fault I was born with a male body.

So this person you have seen could be very well be a normal guy who just happens to like skirts. 

This person does not wear skirts nor does she act outwardly as a woman in any manner.

I was referring to the person Melissa was describing and not the person in the original post of this thread.

Amy

[Rachael]

so this person presents male, yet wants to be in female only spaces? sorry, no can do. thats just wrong.

R