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Started by nunon, October 02, 2014, 09:57:32 PM

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nunon

Hi I am new here but have been having some thoughts and so I came here to hopefully get some help sorting out what I'm thinking. This is probably going to be long but please give me any sort of input you can.

First off I'll state the basics. I am 19 years old, female, and kind of want to be a boy but also unsure of my sexuality (that's the problem part).

As a kid I was dressed as a girl and had no problems but as I got older I developed a hate of all "girly" things, especially since it was my mom who chose all my clothes. Around 12 I started only wearing t-shirts and jeans and I would always cut my hair in a super short bob. I never cared for make up and nice clothes and what people thought of me, which I used to think was just my personality. (I'll mention that I do have depression, aspergers, and some other stuff but I'm only going to describe the stuff that relates to gender/sexuality problems and not stuff that was caused by my mental illness) I always felt restricted by the stereotypes for girls but I also had an internal "who cares" attitude. One big blow to my self esteem is that I have had children ask their parents if "that" (me) is a boy when I was clearly wearing girl clothes and had a girl hairstyle. That made me think I wasn't pretty enough to be a girl because my face looks like a boy. Around 15 pixie hairstyles were starting to be popular so I started getting my hair cut in a sort of long pixie style and I decided to embrace having a "boy face" and just make myself look like a boy anyway. Eventually I went back to looking more like a girl (though still with short hair) because I feel like my personality is too shy/feminine to work as appearing as a boy. I can be really sensitive and people generally expect boys to be more tough so that just didn't work. I needed to look like a fragile little girl, appearance match the inside. But this didn't work either. Long hair bothers me, girl clothes make me uncomfortable with their low cut shirts and tight boob hugging shirts and there's no way I could ever put on make up it feels gross. So here I am, an adult with a job who can't go to work wearing baggy clothes so I'm stuck with low cut business type things and hip hugging pants and skirts. I actually like wearing skirts they are comfortable (I don't think I'd mind being a boy who wore skirts?) but the girl side of business apparel and things are not comfortable for me to wear... which leads into the next section.

I have never liked my body. I NEVER wanted to grow boobs, I NEVER wanted to have a period, I NEVER wanted to get fat hips... luckily my boobs are small and my hips aren't that curvy but I'd be much more comfortable without boobs and a more straight boyish figure. As I kid I used to imagine a doctor could magically take all my reproductive organs out of me and I'd be so happy. I also have a double chin even though I'm underweight and I also have this nasty bump of fat that sticks out around my belly button like I'm getting pregnant or something. These 2 things really make me want to kill myself and add to my body problems. No matter my weight I always have the weird bump (no tight shirts or I look nasty) and a double chin. It's really weird because I have this small body and then fat under my chin and a fat stomach which just looks really weird. I've always been self conscious of my boobs even though they are small and they feel in the way and I'm always making sure I'm not showing too much cleavage or that I find a perfect fitting bra and dumb stuff like that. I own a binder and tried it on once and I felt like I could stand up straight and move more comfortably (though since it was a binder it felt tight which was annoying). In a perfect world I'd get the fat off my chin, my boobs gone, my stomach flattened, and my hips rounded out more so they don't go in and then out where my thigh fat starts (so my hips have a sort of weird indent about where the average girl underwear sits on you) and fat from my legs removed so they were less curvy but that's a smaller problem. I will say that I would NEVER EVER want to have a penis, I'm fine with my female genitals (except for the period part) but everything else I'm not so sure about.

This next part is going to sound a little silly but I am being serious so don't think it's a joke. I rarely experience arousal but there have been a few times. Strangely these times have only been when I was reading "fanfiction" of a pairing with two males and art that shows two males. I never really care about stuff that has two females or male/female pairings. I do know that I like the look of "girly" or more feminine men instead of the usual manly man type. I also prefer the look of more "boyish" girls who have straight figures but are still feminine but I don't think I've ever been sexually attracted to any girl. This all ties in with my confusion about my body and what I want to be which is why I'm discussing it. I don't know if I like boys, girls, or both. I don't know if I want to BE a boy, girl, or other. Another silly problem is that I don't really get attracted to real life people, only anime boys that I think are cute? I'm sorry it sounds so weird but I'm being honest and it really confuses me. I'll see people that I think are pretty/good looking in real life but I've never seen someone that made me think "I want to do it with them" which is something that seems to happen often to most people. I don't care if a person identifies/appears as a boy or girl but I do know I'm sexually attracted to male bodies but I'm not closed off to the idea of being with someone who has a female body.

So... I think that's everything. If you read through all that thank you so much and please tell me what you think or give any advice you have. I have no idea what I am or what I want to be and I hope you all can help me. Do I want to be a boy or a girl? Do I want to date guys, girls, both or am I asexual perhaps? I've looked up definitions of stuff and everything but I just don't know so I need to ask people what they think.
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patrick1967

Hun I wish I could tell you there are easy answers or tell you who you are but I can't. You have many factors going on in your post n hard to address. Who you are or aren't attracted to has nothing to do with your gender. Appearance can be an indication but not necessarily.  So how you dress etc doesn't mean you are trans or cis or purple. Only you can decide who you are.

As go FF it actually helped me figure myself out. One of my fav stories was a gay FTM story n I kept going back to it. Kept seeing more of me in it. My being attracted to men has little to do w me being one. It just means I'm gay not str8. Tho I will say as a gay man in a female body it was easier to fake my way through life.
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Abby Claire

They say that if you have to ask if you're transgender then there is a good chance you are. People who don't have gender issues don't normally ask these questions. Sexuality does not have to do with your gender identity. Also, just because you don't want a bottom surgery doesn't mean you're not transgender. Whether this all means you need to transition is really up to you. If the idea of top surgery and testosterone sounds right for you then it may be the route to take. These early stages are usually the toughest to figure out. A gender therapist would be able to help you sort this all out. At the end of the day, you're going to have to answer all your questions.

Sorry I can't help as much. I'm on the other side of the fence with these gender issues.
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nunon

Thank you for the replies so far, the thing with my sexuality is that I fear that maybe I'm confusing liking how something looks with wanting to look that way if that makes sense.

I over think things often so hearing people's input really helps me come back to reality.
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Taka

Quote from: nunon on October 02, 2014, 10:48:15 PM
Thank you for the replies so far, the thing with my sexuality is that I fear that maybe I'm confusing liking how something looks with wanting to look that way if that makes sense.
that might be. i've done that before, had a good laugh when i finally realized what i'd been doing.

there is a thing called demi-sexual. mean that sexual attraction grows from a strong emotional bond.
maybe the strong emotions, and your ability to identify some way or other, makes it easier to feel arousal when reading boy on boy fanfics?
maybe... or it might just be that the female body is completely uninteresting to you while you are hating your own female body.

there is something called agender, and a neuter body type.
if you don't want to be girl, and neither really want to be a boy, maybe this is it?
almost completely genderless. think about it a little.

oh, and visit the unicorn forest (non-binary section).
we have an interesting variety of genders there. as many different as the number of people.
the question isn't whether you want to be a boy or a girl. the question is only what you want to be.
so what if that isn't male of female, nature has already shown us so many other options.
and surgeries can be done without fully transitioning to the opposite sex (depending on country, unfortunately).

don't make any rash decision, only start out when you know yourself.

i am neither man nor woman, at the same time as i am both. oddities exist, and i find them just a little bit cooler than the norm.
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EchelonHunt

Nunon,

I had struggled with my identity during my adolescence because puberty thrust me into the world of womanhood/motherhood where I had no say in the matter. I was born premature and had androgenisation condition where my genitals were more masculine than feminine - this prompted me to grow up believing I was a boy. I thought I could pee standing up like my father but that failed miserably. I convinced myself that puberty would fix my body to be correctly male... boy, was I wrong!

I didn't want breasts - thankfully, my breasts were very small until my late adolescence... I was convinced I would be flat-chested for the rest of my life but nope, puberty just wanted to give me false hope. Periods were horrible, especially since I was not interested in having sex or having babies so it kind of felt like the whole process of periods was pointless. Add onto that, I experienced violent mood swings that took a lot out of me emotionally and physically every month when the period was due to hit. To this day, I still do not know if this behavior was a result of crippling dysphoria or because my mind and body may not have been able to handle the spike of hormones due to having lower levels of T than a biological girl should have or maybe something else entirely.

I struggled with my identity as a girl. I rejected traditionally feminine activities and rejected being a stereotypical girl by society's standards... I feared that if I enjoyed doing those things, that it would reinforce the fact that, yes, I am a girl. I did not want that at all. I would get very angry if people showed interest in dating me as a girl or if they expected me to act a certain way. I wanted to be myself, not a walking example of what other people expected me to be.

I experienced "crushes" on both guys and girls. I later learned that it was not crushes as I did not develop romantic feelings for them or feel the need to climb into bed with them... I realized their traits is what I desired to have... long hair, pretty features, being gentle and being confident, a person that everyone can feel they can talk to. I was never interested in love or sex. Even after trying sex and attempting relationships with others, it hasn't really changed anything. I still identify as asexual and not interested in the least in romance. I still daydream though...I occasionally have daydreams of falling for someone for the first time and the hopeless romantic in me still enjoys the occasional romance movie. It's a fantasy and I'll be surprised if it does become a reality because so far, I haven't had any feelings that come anywhere close to what romantic feelings are defined to be.

Fanfiction and comics about boys love, I can relate to this. I have experienced arousal to these subjects, it was intense to the point that I had convinced myself that I may be a gay FTM. I later learned that... no, fantasy is much different from reality. In my fantasies, I may be fluid in sexuality but in reality, it doesn't translate over to real life. I still am asexual in real life. It's the same with having kinks, I have many fantasies involved with said kinks but translating them over to a real person to share those kinks with in real life, it doesn't arouse me at all. I've thought for a very long time that I must be broken but I've learned that I'm not. It's just how I function as a human being, having a healthy libido, just no sexual attraction to others.

I had mistakenly thought that since I did not desire my female parts and wanted them removed, that I must be a male. After four years on Testosterone, I experienced dysphoria for passing as a male. I realized that when I desired to remove my female genitals, it meant that I desired to be sexless - a body with neither male or female secondary sexual characteristics. I identify as genderless or agender and desire a close as possible sexless body through transitioning. I am going the FTM transition route but I am finding that it is possible to tailor the surgeries to meet my desired outcome.

My situation is a result of being stuck in a binary thinking (that only male & female exists) and taking the male identity, actually convincing myself that it is who I am because let's face it, I believed being anything other than a woman would be better than suffering misery for the rest of my life. It was a life or death situation at that moment in my life. The male identity has helped pave the way for me to realize my identity as a genderless person so I believe if I hadn't latched onto the male identity and began transitioning, I probably would have never come to realize that I am genderless/sexless.

You are not alone. It is important to get a clear grasp on your identity before making any potentially life-changing decisions. I highly recommend seeing a gender therapist if you are not already, they can be extremely helpful in clearing up confusion and helping you get to the core of your identity. Keep an open mind and don't feel the need to grab any labels. If you find one label isn't working for you, don't feel ashamed to change it, don't feel like you have to stick to it in fear of being labelled indecisive. I was going to continue being FTM but thankfully, I decided to remain truthful to myself and have never been happier since. I'm neither male nor female but I am genderless with a fluid gender expression between masculine, feminine and more consistently, androgynous. 

I echo Taka's response about visiting the Unicorn Forest. :)
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adrian



Quote from: nunon on October 02, 2014, 10:48:15 PM
Thank you for the replies so far, the thing with my sexuality is that I fear that maybe I'm confusing liking how something looks with wanting to look that way if that makes sense.

I over think things often so hearing people's input really helps me come back to reality.

Hi there nunon, I experience both. I can't always tell these feelings apart, but it has become a lot clearer to me now that I have acknowledged that I'm not just "a little gender non-conforming", but ftm. I think it may become clearer to you as you become better "acquainted" with who you are and where you are headed in your journey.

Try not to overthink the sexuality bit!
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V M

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Alice Rogers

Quote from: nunon on October 02, 2014, 09:57:32 PM
First off I'll state the basics. I am 19 years old, female, and kind of want to be a boy but also unsure of my sexuality (that's the problem part).


I can simplify this one for you right off the bat, your gender and your sexual preference have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. Don't let anyone tell you different!
"I would rather be ashes than dust!
I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot.
I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
The function of man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them.
I shall use my time." Jack London
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