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Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female? 4.0

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JLT1

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM
I've been doing everything I can to pass better-I'm trying to grow my hair out, I've gained a few pounds to widen my figure, but I feel like now I'm looking even more masculine than ever. 

I've sorta come to the conclusion that if I'm never going to pass, perhaps I'm not emotionally prepared to continue living authentically.  I mean, I have no friends, virtually no support, and if I can't pass, things are going to continue to be harder than I want to deal with.  My relationship prospects, my potential for a career, all of it will go out the window if people are able to tell.  I can't deal with our transphobic culture right now, and it's driving me literally insane.  So, I've realized that if I am never going to pass for cis, I'm going to seriously consider going back.  I feel like my face is getting even more masculine as time goes on.  So, please, I beg of you-be honest.  Please, be brutally honest.  The amount of dishonesty I've seen on this thread is troubling; I'm not looking for emotional support.  I'm considering a major life decision, and I need FACTS if I'm going to make it correctly.  I'm wearing light makeup in three of the four pictures; in the fully body one, my hair is wet.  I'm six feet tall, very tall.  Too tall. 

Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.

Hi,

OK............

Being critical:

You have a high forehead and it hurts you in a couple pics.  Work on your hair a little so that one does not see the forehead height.  What you have done with the curls is good just keep it going and bring some of that around a little.

Makeup - find someone who's makeup you like and pattern from them.  After a while, you can start to make it your own...  That will help a lot!

Make your eyebrows a little thicker, especially toward the eye - bring them down to de-emphasize any forehead ridge.  I don't actually think you have a big ridge, but he way you are doing the eye brows makes it look like you do.   

You can help the squareness of the jaw with makeup and possible some mini-lipo.  That's cheap so save a little. 
The neutral stuff:

6' tall...  I'm 6'2" and I get hit on by so many men that are 6'2" or taller that I had to by an engagement ring to wear with my wedding ring to keep some of them from hitting on me.  It's not bad, not bad at all....

The good:

Eyes, nose, lips and figure are stupid good.  Breasts are good for your figure.

Overall, I always thought you were cute.  I liked the hair.  You pass in picture 2 and 4 (starting with the top photo as 1) 1 and 3 show to much forehead. 

Your awfully close to passing all the time.

Hugs,

Jen




To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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JustASeq

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM
I've been doing everything I can to pass better-I'm trying to grow my hair out, I've gained a few pounds to widen my figure, but I feel like now I'm looking even more masculine than ever. 

I've sorta come to the conclusion that if I'm never going to pass, perhaps I'm not emotionally prepared to continue living authentically.  I mean, I have no friends, virtually no support, and if I can't pass, things are going to continue to be harder than I want to deal with.  My relationship prospects, my potential for a career, all of it will go out the window if people are able to tell.  I can't deal with our transphobic culture right now, and it's driving me literally insane.  So, I've realized that if I am never going to pass for cis, I'm going to seriously consider going back.  I feel like my face is getting even more masculine as time goes on.  So, please, I beg of you-be honest.  Please, be brutally honest.  The amount of dishonesty I've seen on this thread is troubling; I'm not looking for emotional support.  I'm considering a major life decision, and I need FACTS if I'm going to make it correctly.  I'm wearing light makeup in three of the four pictures; in the fully body one, my hair is wet.  I'm six feet tall, very tall.  Too tall. 









Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.

You look like a woman, and a really cute one at that  :icon_love:
-Seq
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Bird Goddess

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM
I've been doing everything I can to pass better-I'm trying to grow my hair out, I've gained a few pounds to widen my figure, but I feel like now I'm looking even more masculine than ever. 

I've sorta come to the conclusion that if I'm never going to pass, perhaps I'm not emotionally prepared to continue living authentically.  I mean, I have no friends, virtually no support, and if I can't pass, things are going to continue to be harder than I want to deal with.  My relationship prospects, my potential for a career, all of it will go out the window if people are able to tell.  I can't deal with our transphobic culture right now, and it's driving me literally insane.  So, I've realized that if I am never going to pass for cis, I'm going to seriously consider going back.  I feel like my face is getting even more masculine as time goes on.  So, please, I beg of you-be honest.  Please, be brutally honest.  The amount of dishonesty I've seen on this thread is troubling; I'm not looking for emotional support.  I'm considering a major life decision, and I need FACTS if I'm going to make it correctly.  I'm wearing light makeup in three of the four pictures; in the fully body one, my hair is wet.  I'm six feet tall, very tall.  Too tall. 

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Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.
Honest reply incoming. Do you have a sideways photo somewhere - and what specific features regarding passing are you unsure about?

It is difficult to tell stuff from pictures of course, but on the 1, 2 and 4 picture I would gender you as a female. On the third one... the hair does not really fit your face and the eyebrows are a bit messy. Perhaps another haircut would help? Get rid of the colours and try something more simple. Keep the curls though! Your body is very slim - especially your shoulders. You are tall, yes, but my sister is taller. It is more about proportions, and proportionally it doesn't look like a masculine body to me.

Your face (I think faces are most important) does not really have masculine features. Nose is pretty slim, eyes are fine... can't spot beardshadow (which would be a HUGE giveaway). No big Adam's apple either. Your browridge seems slightly more pronounced than most born women, but that shouldn't give anything away if everything else is feminine. I mean, basically every face has masculine and feminine characteristics. Have you ever talked to doctors about your passability, and have they said anything about certain (facial) features?
QuoteMy relationship prospects, my potential for a career, all of it will go out the window if people are able to tell.
Are you sure?
~ You can cage a bird, but you cannot make him sing.
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AbbyKat

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM
Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.

Since you are expecting sugar coating, it's hard to tell you my honest opinion without you thinking I'm just being nice.  Honestly, I wouldn't think twice nor would you set off any alarms.  Your hair is really the only thing "off" about you but it's not even a masculine thing, just different.  The only reason I (and probably nearly everybody you come across) would probably ever question your gender is if you asked them to.  You're a cute girl to everybody else, I'd imagine.

Sorry if that's not brutal enough for you but it is honest.  I swear.
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kittenpower

Quote from: Eevee on March 20, 2015, 05:00:21 PM
I decided I wanted to look pretty today. I hope I pass well enough. I've been on HRT for almost 6 months now.


You look great, keep doing what you're doing :)
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assorted_human

Quote from: CB on March 20, 2015, 07:01:40 PM
I am actually a very photo phobic person so will probably regret this!
However, here goes...

These were taken last spring, at just over one year HRT.  Haven't dare be photographed since then but hopefully some more changes




You're looking great at one year. I'd like to see what you look like now 2 years in.

You ladies are beautiful. :)
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Damara

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM
I've been doing everything I can to pass better-I'm trying to grow my hair out, I've gained a few pounds to widen my figure, but I feel like now I'm looking even more masculine than ever. 

I've sorta come to the conclusion that if I'm never going to pass, perhaps I'm not emotionally prepared to continue living authentically.  I mean, I have no friends, virtually no support, and if I can't pass, things are going to continue to be harder than I want to deal with.  My relationship prospects, my potential for a career, all of it will go out the window if people are able to tell.  I can't deal with our transphobic culture right now, and it's driving me literally insane.  So, I've realized that if I am never going to pass for cis, I'm going to seriously consider going back.  I feel like my face is getting even more masculine as time goes on.  So, please, I beg of you-be honest.  Please, be brutally honest.  The amount of dishonesty I've seen on this thread is troubling; I'm not looking for emotional support.  I'm considering a major life decision, and I need FACTS if I'm going to make it correctly.  I'm wearing light makeup in three of the four pictures; in the fully body one, my hair is wet.  I'm six feet tall, very tall.  Too tall. 









Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.

You seem to have a super feminine figure! I am unsure if that is due to clothing illusion but your waist looks small and your hips look to be in a female range of width in proportion to your upper body. your face has no terribly glaringly male traits, chin is slightly wider than what some women would have but overall your features are in, at least to me, a female range of proportion.. oh and your hands look small and delicate.. I think the main attention grab, as others have stated, is your hair, and that can be dealt with as time goes by. :)
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Jessie Ann

Quote from: Eevee on March 20, 2015, 05:00:21 PM
I decided I wanted to look pretty today. I hope I pass well enough. I've been on HRT for almost 6 months now.



You succeed!  You look very pretty.
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TheRealMeMsKylie

I'm hoping this link will work because for some reason I can't post any pics from my phone, you will have to just scroll down a bit to see the two pictures I believe.

Anyways this is me, no hormones yet but I'm 3 laser hair removals in which is working quite well so far. Going to be starting HRT in May, which I'm beyond excited for, to really get to start my journey.

Let me know what you all think [emoji4]

http://therealmemskylie.tumblr.com/post/114188077777/tried-on-a-new-dress-tonight-feeling-good
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Jessie Ann

Quote from: TheRealMeMsKylie on March 21, 2015, 07:55:54 AM
Anyways this is me, no hormones yet but I'm 3 laser hair removals in which is working quite well so far. Going to be starting HRT in May, which I'm beyond excited for, to really get to start my journey.

Let me know what you all think [emoji4]


Very nice.  Its good that you are going after the hair removal early.   I believe that HRT will suit you well.

Good Luck and enjoy the ride.
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JLT1

Quote from: TheRealMeMsKylie on March 21, 2015, 07:55:54 AM
I'm hoping this link will work because for some reason I can't post any pics from my phone, you will have to just scroll down a bit to see the two pictures I believe.

Anyways this is me, no hormones yet but I'm 3 laser hair removals in which is working quite well so far. Going to be starting HRT in May, which I'm beyond excited for, to really get to start my journey.

Let me know what you all think [emoji4]

http://therealmemskylie.tumblr.com/post/114188077777/tried-on-a-new-dress-tonight-feeling-good


OMG...Your beautiful.

Hugs

Jen
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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ChiGirl

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ImagineKate

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM


Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.

Generally I think you look good.

Your body is your biggest asset.

Things working against you seem to be your chin and possibly your hairline.

Obviously I don't think you should detransition, but I would strongly consider finding some means to get FFS if your face bothers you that much. At least some "light" FFS. Right now it would pass with me and many other people but I know you will probably never be satisfied with it.

The hairstyle can also make a big difference. I see you with that same hairstyle a lot. Have you gone to a hair stylist or even asked friends for help?
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ImagineKate

Quote from: TheRealMeMsKylie on March 21, 2015, 07:55:54 AM
I'm hoping this link will work because for some reason I can't post any pics from my phone, you will have to just scroll down a bit to see the two pictures I believe.

Anyways this is me, no hormones yet but I'm 3 laser hair removals in which is working quite well so far. Going to be starting HRT in May, which I'm beyond excited for, to really get to start my journey.

Let me know what you all think [emoji4]

http://therealmemskylie.tumblr.com/post/114188077777/tried-on-a-new-dress-tonight-feeling-good

Looking good!
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Jessie Ann

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM
I've been doing everything I can to pass better-I'm trying to grow my hair out, I've gained a few pounds to widen my figure, but I feel like now I'm looking even more masculine than ever. 

I've sorta come to the conclusion that if I'm never going to pass, perhaps I'm not emotionally prepared to continue living authentically.  I mean, I have no friends, virtually no support, and if I can't pass, things are going to continue to be harder than I want to deal with.  My relationship prospects, my potential for a career, all of it will go out the window if people are able to tell.  I can't deal with our transphobic culture right now, and it's driving me literally insane.  So, I've realized that if I am never going to pass for cis, I'm going to seriously consider going back.  I feel like my face is getting even more masculine as time goes on.  So, please, I beg of you-be honest.  Please, be brutally honest.  The amount of dishonesty I've seen on this thread is troubling; I'm not looking for emotional support.  I'm considering a major life decision, and I need FACTS if I'm going to make it correctly.  I'm wearing light makeup in three of the four pictures; in the fully body one, my hair is wet.  I'm six feet tall, very tall.  Too tall. 









Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.

I have to admit that I am having a hard time in trying to figure out how to respond.  It's not just because of this post but on the totality of what you have been posting recently.  You say that you need facts and not emotional support.  However, it's clear you need both.  What I see when I look at your pictures is a lot of insecurity and unhappiness.  I am fairly new to the transition world but not so to life and I can tell you that in most interactions with the world, self confidence is key to success. In my world, I am a trial lawyer, if you can't display confidence you are dead meat.  Man or woman it doesn't matter, if you don't appear confident to the world you will not get the response you are looking for. 

The one thing you need to work on more than anything is attitude and confidence. If you are looking for perfection, good luck honey cause you are never going to find it and you will never be happy. I see a reoccurring theme in your posts that you feel that you don't now and never will pass for CIS and if you can't your a failure. Now I don't know if you will or not in the future but if you use that as your standard now it's no wonder you feel bad. I know that you have been on HRT for a couple of years now but how confident are you that your Endo has got your regime down correctly?  You also appear have some other psychological issues, as a lot of us do, that may need attention that can help to make you feel better and allow you to develop friendships and build a better support system.

No one knows what the future holds.  For years I was afraid to address my issues so I operated on auto pilot and repressed my true self and was, what I thought to be, the model husband, father and employee.  I couldn't get out of my terrible marriage because it would devastate the kids and I would be financially ruined for life.  I couldn't adress my gender issues because it was sick and dirty to want to be who I felt I was.  It got so bad that I would pray at night to have a heart attack and die so that I would not have to face my reality. 

8 years ago God answered my prayer.  I was driving home from work  at 70 mph when I started having chest pains.  I believed I was having a heart attack and my system reacted by slowing down my heart and droping my blood pressure to almost zero.  When that happens, blood is no longer able to get to your brain and witin seconds you pass out.  Not a good thing to do at 70 mph on a Southern California freeway towards the end of rush hour.  When I woke up I was in a wrecked car that was a total loss.  No one else was hit as I played pinball with the various center dividers and walls of the freeway.  I wasn't killed and I wasn't having a heart attack.  But God was telling me something. 

Now 8 years later I am divorced, my kids are thriving and happy for the most part, and I have never been this financially sound.  I am telling you this because what we frequently tell ourselves is just plain wrong.  How do you know if you won't be able to afford FSS in the future?  The correct answer is you don't know.  There may be changes in insurance coveraage so that it is manditatory as part of the transition process that these proceedures be covered.  You many find you develop a talent that is in high demand and will bring you great wealth.  You may find a lotto ticket on the ground that is worth enough to cover the cost.  In short, you need to worry less about what the future holds and concentrate on living now.

You are very pretty and I would so kill to be able to have your body shape.  I am 6'2" and currently weigh 215.  There is now way I am going to look CIS.  So I have to be realistic and know that I can do what I can and let the rest happen.  Even though I have no idea what I will look like in 2 mos, 6 mos, 1 year, 3 years or 6 years I can't let those doubts control who I am right now.  You shouldn't let your doubts control you.

I have spent the last couple of weeks speaking to friends, family and people at work letting them know about my transition status.  The reactions have been all over the board from you need to seek christian counseling to end this problem to I always knew there was something special about you.  In the end, no one other than me gets to define who I am. 

So hang in there girl!!  You are beautiful and if you can just let yourself believe in yourself you will be able to let the world see that beauty.

As to physical changes, add some color and definition to your eye area.  I know you believe that less is more but sometimes adding a little drama can spice up your appearence.  Smile, smile, smile.  What you perceve as clocking may be nothing more than why is that beautiful tall girl so sad and dour looking?

Hugs girl.  You seem like you really need them.
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ChiGirl

#1135
Bought some new clothes and some new makeup.  Having a little fun, but the makeup didn't turn out so good, but I like the clothes. 


I know I don't pass, but anyone think I have any potential?  I'm also worried that I might need FFS.  What do you think about this profile?  The hairline definitely needs to be fixed, but do I do FFS first or go for the hairline fix? 

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Jasriella

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
I've been on hrt for two years :(

And ffs.  ->-bleeped-<-.  I'm never going to see that much money in my life.
There are grants and programs you can get on as well as take out a loan. Actually if you make good on the loan for FFS then getting that bigger loan for SRS should be easier.

It's like buying a car, or in our case getting a $20,000+ oil change, tires swapped, new interior, and new paint job with a spoiler and side skirts.
"Bravery is the capacity to perform properly when scared half to death.



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kittenpower

I think that this thread is too subjective and doesn't have much real world value.  We're basing our opinions on 2 demensional photos that may or may have not been retouched or filtered, and the posters are showing the best pictures of their lot; they may have taken more than 10 pictures and posted the one(s) with the perfect angle and perfect lighting conditions (over exposed pictures hide flaws, as do black and white photos).  The only way to know if you pass or not is to go out in public, and interact with people.  If someone posts that they are not passing in public, then that is the way that it is, and no amount of support and encouragement to the contrary is going to change their real life experience.  Maybe posting videos would offer a more objective platform to determine if someone passes or not. 
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ImagineKate

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
I've been on hrt for two years :(

And ffs.  ->-bleeped-<-.  I'm never going to see that much money in my life.

Oh stop it. Only if you don't want to. I came to this country with a few hundred in my pocket and now I make a decent living, have an education and I really don't want for anything and I can afford FFS and all the surgery I ever need. You know how I did this? I went and took life by the arm and twisted it to my liking. I grinned and bore it for many years. You can too.
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SwedenMtf

Quote from: Jessie Ann on March 21, 2015, 10:46:54 AM
I have to admit that I am having a hard time in trying to figure out how to respond.  It's not just because of this post but on the totality of what you have been posting recently.  You say that you need facts and not emotional support.  However, it's clear you need both.  What I see when I look at your pictures is a lot of insecurity and unhappiness.  I am fairly new to the transition world but not so to life and I can tell you that in most interactions with the world, self confidence is key to success. In my world, I am a trial lawyer, if you can't display confidence you are dead meat.  Man or woman it doesn't matter, if you don't appear confident to the world you will not get the response you are looking for. 

The one thing you need to work on more than anything is attitude and confidence. If you are looking for perfection, good luck honey cause you are never going to find it and you will never be happy. I see a reoccurring theme in your posts that you feel that you don't now and never will pass for CIS and if you can't your a failure. Now I don't know if you will or not in the future but if you use that as your standard now it's no wonder you feel bad. I know that you have been on HRT for a couple of years now but how confident are you that your Endo has got your regime down correctly?  You also appear have some other psychological issues, as a lot of us do, that may need attention that can help to make you feel better and allow you to develop friendships and build a better support system.

No one knows what the future holds.  For years I was afraid to address my issues so I operated on auto pilot and repressed my true self and was, what I thought to be, the model husband, father and employee.  I couldn't get out of my terrible marriage because it would devastate the kids and I would be financially ruined for life.  I couldn't adress my gender issues because it was sick and dirty to want to be who I felt I was.  It got so bad that I would pray at night to have a heart attack and die so that I would not have to face my reality. 

8 years ago God answered my prayer.  I was driving home from work  at 70 mph when I started having chest pains.  I believed I was having a heart attack and my system reacted by slowing down my heart and droping my blood pressure to almost zero.  When that happens, blood is no longer able to get to your brain and witin seconds you pass out.  Not a good thing to do at 70 mph on a Southern California freeway towards the end of rush hour.  When I woke up I was in a wrecked car that was a total loss.  No one else was hit as I played pinball with the various center dividers and walls of the freeway.  I wasn't killed and I wasn't having a heart attack.  But God was telling me something. 

Now 8 years later I am divorced, my kids are thriving and happy for the most part, and I have never been this financially sound.  I am telling you this because what we frequently tell ourselves is just plain wrong.  How do you know if you won't be able to afford FSS in the future?  The correct answer is you don't know.  There may be changes in insurance coveraage so that it is manditatory as part of the transition process that these proceedures be covered.  You many find you develop a talent that is in high demand and will bring you great wealth.  You may find a lotto ticket on the ground that is worth enough to cover the cost.  In short, you need to worry less about what the future holds and concentrate on living now.

You are very pretty and I would so kill to be able to have your body shape.  I am 6'2" and currently weigh 215.  There is now way I am going to look CIS.  So I have to be realistic and know that I can do what I can and let the rest happen.  Even though I have no idea what I will look like in 2 mos, 6 mos, 1 year, 3 years or 6 years I can't let those doubts control who I am right now.  You shouldn't let your doubts control you.

I have spent the last couple of weeks speaking to friends, family and people at work letting them know about my transition status.  The reactions have been all over the board from you need to seek christian counseling to end this problem to I always knew there was something special about you.  In the end, no one other than me gets to define who I am. 

So hang in there girl!!  You are beautiful and if you can just let yourself believe in yourself you will be able to let the world see that beauty.

As to physical changes, add some color and definition to your eye area.  I know you believe that less is more but sometimes adding a little drama can spice up your appearence.  Smile, smile, smile.  What you perceve as clocking may be nothing more than why is that beautiful tall girl so sad and dour looking?

Hugs girl.  You seem like you really need them.

This is the best thing I've read on this forum. Inspiring.