Most Trans Friendly Countries?

[BlueGemFox]

I havent done too much research, but from what i found srs and infertility is not too necessarily required to change your gender marker on some things. but im doing some more research. But it could be depending on certain things, But i could be wrong.

Edit. You can change your marker without srs on your passport in Australia. But you need a letter saying you are recieving treatment for it from a registered doctor.
(here's a link to the government site) https://www.passports.gov.au/web/sexgenderapplicants.aspx

In The A.C.T There was a new thing that passed March 2014 this year for those hoping to change their gender on birth certificates without srs, again you need a letter or record you're getting medical treatment for it, and you need to have been born in the A.C.T
http://www.ors.act.gov.au/community/births_deaths_and_marriages/changes_of_sex

[Clhoe G]

I havent done too much research, but from what i found srs and infertility is not too necessarily required to change your gender marker on some things. but im doing some more research. But it could be depending on certain things, But i could be wrong.

Edit. You can change your marker without srs on your passport in Australia. But you need a letter saying you are recieving treatment for it from a registered doctor.
(here's a link to the government site) https://www.passports.gov.au/web/sexgenderapplicants.aspx

In The A.C.T There was a new thing that passed March 2014 this year for those hoping to change their gender on birth certificates without srs, again you need a letter or record you're getting medical treatment for it, and you need to have been born in the A.C.T
http://www.ors.act.gov.au/community/births_deaths_and_marriages/changes_of_sex

I know it's crazy isn't it, it just doesn't make sense.
damn stupid phobic politicians shouldn't be there with such a social disorder (well that's what I call such phobias) 
It really rubs me the wrong way, but things should change sooner or later.

Oops now I'm on a rant 

[BlueGemFox]

yeah, though, I dunno how laws are dreamed up. However seeing as that law in the ACT was passed only just several months ago, Im sure it will be paving way for newer laws in favour for trans* in Australia

Hahah I dont blame you for ranting about it

[KattMan]

Im in Uk n its wicked accepting

Give Free Love
Be Peaceful
Stay Outta Other's Business

[BlueGemFox]

Does the UK have more relaxed laws?

Asside from the law side, Ive found Australia seems quite open about it all on a social level, we got our madigras and all that. I just recently found out for cairns folk, thereis this awesome LGBTI (I keep forgetting that acronym) party thats held every few months during the year by a volunteer group. Im thinking of checking it out

[PinkCloud]

Most northern European countries are trans friendly: Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, and such. In South of Europe, I heard that Spain is also a good country to be trans in  regards to medical care. In Eastern Europe, I think things will be more difficult the closer you get to Russia.

Some of them have laws protecting transpeople, and funding surgeries and healthcare for transpeople. In Belgium and Netherlands it is possible to change your gender without a court and without SRS. It is also free to change your name and gender. The trans* healthcare is basically free: SRS is free, hormones are free. But you pay a part of your salary each month to insurance. Not much though, about 50 to 100 euro's a month to be insured for all healthcare.

Of course, haters are everywhere, but the general consensus in Northern Europe seems to be: "Well, if it makes you happy, go for it." 

[Natkat]

Most northern European countries are trans friendly: Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, and

sorry but this is simple not true.
while many south european countrys got there problems alot of north european countrys also got bad conditions. in Denmark for exemple its almost imposible getting permission for homone threatment if you havent already got this permission. You are to optain a certain permission (which can takes years to get) by going into  therapy. if they dont think you are "trans enough" for whatever reason then there are no way you can complain, or seach for second opinion, and you a basically banned from getting threatment anywhere in the country.

I dont get where you got your informations from, but the north are not nessesarry great, again it really depends on where you.
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[Tossu-sama]

Seconding NatKat.

Talking about Europe in general, even when specifically talking about north, south, east or west, is pretty huge generalization. Even if you take neighboring countries, the cultures, laws, customs, etc can be completely different.

[Natkat]

I know I ask a lot on here, but the more I analyze American thinking, the more I realize why so many countries hate us (aside our evil imperialistic styles. No that's not sarcasm). I once read a comment on a post about European perceptions of Americans and someone commented about some people's blatant inability to discuss anything without being downright idiotic or condescending. Nonetheless, I'm here to ask: Is anyone aware of the most trans friendly countries out there? Moreso in terms of laws to protect transgender people, people open to the idea of one being transgender, etc? I know all countries have their homophobic, transphobic, racist people, but I'd like to see some other opinions. I am only fluent in English with minimal ability to speak Spanish so..that limits me. Thanks.

i'm not sure why you are starting up the topic saying european hates amaricans, is it a question or a statement? it just seams abit odd way of starting out, but I will answer anyway.
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I dont think theres any clear answer what country is the best. you can downloade things from like TGEU who covers europa, and look up other continents as well. however these are only plain numbers, They give you an idea but not a full picture of the country and in some ways they could even misguide you.

exemple if a country say "its legal getting threatment" but if theres no decribtion or details about it it could mean that you are forced into sterilization for doing it.
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from my own experience and people I talk with I prefern "san-francisco" (I could also writte USA, but I think thats abit wide) Germany(berlin specific), Agentina, But these are only from what I heard of friends being there, I havent visited these area myself.

I find it difficult to say exactly what is a good place or not cause it depends on many thing such as culture and which part of the country you are as well as your position. so you cant compare it 100% and it also depends on other fact beside being trans.

So my answer might be abit wierd, but in short terms I think you should try find a few countrys who looks interesting, read something about there culture (traveling guides are a fine way to get a easy outlook) and then get in future contact with someone of the locals transpeople living there they are really the once who can give you the best informations on what its like to be trans in the country/area you are looking for. ask them of the conditions in general and for people in your situation. so if you are "pre-T ask them about how its like being pre-T there, if you are non-binary ask them about that. etc.

if this is not for a vacation but you want to live there remember to include other facts which seams important to you, exemple how easy it is to get a job/study in the country, how important it is to learn the languarge, and such things.

[PinkCloud]

You are to optain a certain permission (which can takes years to get) by going into  therapy.

Doesn't that seem to be in accordance with the Standards of Care? I had to wait 2 years before I got hormones. It is not like they give it to you when you simply ask, therapy and RLE is a requirement if they follow the Standards of Care, (at least the last time I looked) but with these requirements comes a diagnosis, and with a diagnosis all healthcare concerned must be paid by medical/national insurance.

What about Denmark?
http://www.scottishtrans.org/denmark-leads-europe-on-gender-recognition/

Seems Denmark is pretty progressive, just like most European a countries.

[Tossu-sama]

There can be problems with the therapy phase of the process. In Finland, there's been quite many FTMs who have received suspension from the therapy lately, ranging anywhere from six months to couple years, sometimes only because they can't get along with the staff doing the therapy stuff. And it's not like we can just find a new doctor or whatever, there are only two units in the whole country who are allowed to deal with gender identity things.

[Natkat]

Doesn't that seem to be in accordance with the Standards of Care? I had to wait 2 years before I got hormones. It is not like they give it to you when you simply ask, therapy and RLE is a requirement if they follow the Standards of Care, (at least the last time I looked) but with these requirements comes a diagnosis, and with a diagnosis all healthcare concerned must be paid by medical/national insurance.

What about Denmark?
http://www.scottishtrans.org/denmark-leads-europe-on-gender-recognition/

Seems Denmark is pretty progressive, just like most European a countries.

Did you even read what I wrotte?!

I find it very difficult to take your post seriously when you say people are "simple asking" I actually find it kinda rude to make that implyment like people are being impatient and ungratefull.
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first as mention you have to go into obsevation which is a long time, I feel your 2 years been too long even when I know some wait longer for these permissions.
I dont belive it says you have to wait so long in Standard of care as far anywhere I remember, since theres also exemples of countrys which have less of a obsevation period.

I dont think you understood the part that if people are being rejejcted then theres NO WAY to get any help.
this means alot of people go to the black market or are forced to imigrate from the country if they want any help, it also means alot of people feel forced to lie or do things they dont want to in the procces to impress the doctors and optain the permission.

about your artical
First of all. yes its true denmark made the new law which made it much more easy to change your gender legally. it put them off the old sterilization law which had been so far forcing people to not being able of getting children. its a good thing this law. However what the artical dosen't mention is the goverment around the same period are to make rules which will make the procces on getting treatment much more difficult for transgenders in the future.

Denmark is a good country in many ways, but for being trans is a pretty bad place if you want to have a easy time and theres alot of erasure of these problems specially in the english media.
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[ThatAussieDude]

Seems I've had an extremely rough run with my treatment and general respect from other people, where I live. I am the last person to say that living here in Australia is easy and one of the better places to live, because it isn't for me at all. Mind you, I have other reasons why it is more difficult and less accommodating, like I was in foster care for example, so when I tried to start T before 18 they said no because I was in care, and now I had a heap of other documents to correct my name and marker on that most don't,  i.e court files and papers, for my guardianship order. The fact that I am on one of those seems to mean its OK to treat me like even more garbage, and being trans only adds more to that garbage. Unfortunately, the court and various other authorities involved with me believe that being trans decreases my decision making capacity and being trans was the main reason I got put on the order in the first place. I had a very hard time getting Centrelink to understand surgery isn't a requirement to correct pension cards etc, with them, anymore, even though I had the letter from my doctor, my previously changed birth certificate (which is how I chose to change my name instead of getting a name change certificate) and a specific letter of support from my gender psych at the time, they just blantantly refused to listen for months. I spent about 3 hours in Medicare doing that with them, apparently it took that long to check that the requirements had been changed on the computer, and my doctor wouldn't tell the receptionist where she works to correct my details on their computer system for months either. I had my pension stopped for a couple months cause Centrelink said I was committing identity fraud.  Once it was all corrected it was OK and well, aside from the fact that my doctor has no clue what she is doing and I have been to 4 other GPs and they simply said no, I would ask for you to do the entire gender dysphoria assessment with a psych again because I have no proof that you're actually trans. I had to do several years of therapy before treatment was even mentioned to me, because I came out really young and my mental health team said they didn't want to until I was 16. I had ongoing mental health issues as a result of being in care and having an abusive upbringing, which lead to more extensive and prolonged therapy before my regular psych referred me to the sexual health clinic, where I had to have 2 physicals and do 4 talking sessions with the psychologist there, before she referred me to an actual gender psych. I did 7 sessions with him, which were absolutely traumatising because of his obsession with biology, before he referred me to the local endo for assessment and wrote my supporting letter for T. I saw the endo 4 times for bloodwork and discussion about how he treats trans folk, but he was honestly more interested in stating he thinks being trans isn't an actual medical condition, that and his ridiculous bill lead me to finding a GP. When I found mine, she didn't want me to start for a while, and when she did start me it was a ridiculously low dose because she was concerned that T would make my mental illnesses worse. She screwed around with me for months before starting me on a negotiated standard treatment, then when that produced a T level she didn't like, she switched me, stating the drop would be easier to handle, and I've had hormonal problems ever since and haven't really gained anything from the T she switched me to. Then there is the whole situation I have with the local police abusing me because all of my ID except my birth certificate, which is my only primary ID, says male or has an M on it, so they also accuse me of identity fraud. I have written a formal complaint to the headquarters, and its been months and I have heard nothing from them. Plus the mental health system has been disregarding my mental illnesses, saying all the issues I have been dealing with are just severe dysphoria, when in fact fact they have absolutely nothing to do with my dysphoria. That and no one understands why T hasn't improved  my dysphoria at all, and being rejected by several surgeons that I spent my childhood saving money for to have surgery. This is the last place I personally want to live, and if I could move I would. Sorry about my rant

[Bran]

I honestly don't know as much about this as I should, and I'm enjoying reading the replies.  There's a lot that goes into how trans-friendly a place is, though.  Laws are one thing, and the only part that is likely to be pretty constant for the whole country.  The skill/knowledge of therapists and medical providers are another aspect, and the social environment is probably the most important for day-to-day life.  For bigger countries, those last two are going to vary *hugely* depending on where you are.  Some places in the US, there are no good medical or psych providers, and you can get killed just for being out.  Other places, the system is good and the culture accepting.  I understand Australia and Canada are the same way.  (For ThatAussieDude-- isn't Queensland one of the less awesome places to be in Australia? Like I said, I'm not 100% up on all of this).  But I'm lucky-- New York State is one of the better places in the US to be trans. 

[ThatAussieDude]

I don't know anyone here in Queensland that doesn't have problems, so yeah it is one of the less great

[BlueGemFox]

Im in queensland and so far ive had very friendly doctors and my boss is fantastic about it. im really sorry to hear about all that though

[ThatAussieDude]

Eh. Such is my luck and I just have to deal with it. What part of Queensland, may I ask?

[BlueGemFox]

I live up north, Not too far from Cairns actually, im currently looking for support groups in the area and others with similar experiences but theres not too much on the net

[ThatAussieDude]

My guess is you have heard about the gender clinic in Cairns and Dr. Darren Russell? I live down on the Gold Coast, by the way, if you want feel free to PM me for advice

[BlueGemFox]

No I haven't yet actually, but i found the sexual health clinic. I have been chatting with my doctor and shes going to help me get into contact with support groups , and thanks for the offer!