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In which Southeast Asian countries can I as a foreigner get prescribed on MTF HRT?

Started by sqrkbkwmqko, December 08, 2014, 11:17:31 AM

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sqrkbkwmqko

I live there myself but just in case I can't get prescribed in any of the local clinics it'd be helpful to know early where near me I could find a suitable endocrinologist. Preferably the nearest :p
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AnonyMs

I take it you don't live in Thailand then, as I understand its available without prescription - like asprin. Given that it should be pretty easy find a doctor who'll supervise it.
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sqrkbkwmqko

Quote from: AnonyMs on December 08, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
I take it you don't live in Thailand then, as I understand its available without prescription - like asprin. Given that it should be pretty easy find a doctor who'll supervise it.
Yeah, I don't live in Thailand. Actually I'd like to make it as least likely as possible for people to figure out that I'm taking feminizing steps, so preferably not in Thailand. >:-)
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warlockmaker

Hi, I live in Asia and have a home in Phuket and Bangkok. The easiest way to get a perscription is in Thailand, no questions asked and its quite common. I actually, have a doctor at Bangkok Hospital that I go to for constant checkups. I work in another major city in Asia and I am very much in the closet but I can now order the HRT drugs on the internet and they have my perscription on file so I can order from anywhere. No one will know.




When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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sqrkbkwmqko

Quote from: warlockmaker on December 08, 2014, 08:21:47 PM
Hi, I live in Asia and have a home in Phuket and Bangkok. The easiest way to get a perscription is in Thailand, no questions asked and its quite common. I actually, have a doctor at Bangkok Hospital that I go to for constant checkups. I work in another major city in Asia and I am very much in the closet but I can now order the HRT drugs on the internet and they have my perscription on file so I can order from anywhere. No one will know.
Wait...
'no questions asked' - Does this mean that I can get prescribed without getting 'diagnosed' with gender dysphoria first and the letter from my therapist? But again, it's Thailand... I'm concerned because of the fact that Thailand is kind of associated with gender allignment and I very rarely go for vacation outside my country. I think that'll make it slightly more obvious.
By the way, hi!
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Cindy

It is one of the interesting quandaries, girls in Thailand can get HRT at the local pharmacy, indeed you can get just about any drug as many are compounding chemists. But ANZPATH is getting an increase in the number of Thai transgender requesting therapy as it is not commonly available in Thailand.

Seems the grass is brown on both sides of the fence!
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warlockmaker

Cindy has a point, the girls self prescribe and some are emotionally unstable because of this. They earn very little money compared to the West and cannot afford full medical care but they have a large TF population and they have their own mentors for this. So many are forced into the sex industry to pay for their needs.

Thailand is one of the medical nations that peoplr from all over the world go for check ups and surgery. The cost and care makes them a good choice. Thus its NOT only for TG so there would be NO suspicions. I'm not sure of the rules in referring doctors in this Forum, it may be best to contact me via my e mail and I can give you a name of a doctor in Bangkok Hospital that you can consult.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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AnonyMs

Quote from: sqrkbkwmqko on December 08, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
Wait...
'no questions asked' - Does this mean that I can get prescribed without getting 'diagnosed' with gender dysphoria first and the letter from my therapist? But again, it's Thailand... I'm concerned because of the fact that Thailand is kind of associated with gender allignment and I very rarely go for vacation outside my country. I think that'll make it slightly more obvious.
By the way, hi!
I don't think anyone is likely to associate you going to Thailand with being transgender, not unless its obvious already. Thailand's associated with a lot of things, and I think it should be pretty easy to misdirect people towards one of the others. If you pick something like a "girlfiriend" (or boyfriend) and pretend you don't want to talk about it, that's probably way more believable. There's so many things, you just need to find the right one for your case.

Quote from: warlockmaker on December 09, 2014, 01:37:18 AM
Cindy has a point, the girls self prescribe and some are emotionally unstable because of this. They earn very little money compared to the West and cannot afford full medical care but they have a large TF population and they have their own mentors for this. So many are forced into the sex industry to pay for their needs.
I get the impression they are forced into the sex industry is because there's a huge amount of discrimination in Thailand. Apparently its very difficult to get a decent job outside the sex industry. If I recall correctly, not only is there no legal protection, but its impossible to change legally change your gender - and that's on your ID which you need to get a job. Its like all the good and bad things are swapped around from where I live (Australia).
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Cindy

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sqrkbkwmqko

Wait, am I understanding correctly, that... I don't need a therapist's letter to get legally prescribed hormones in Thailand?
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sqrkbkwmqko

Quote from: Hanazono on December 09, 2014, 02:39:13 AM
Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia it's OTC so help yourself if you're self medicating, see a doc to monitor you.
Singapore you'll need a GP.
Brunei... not sure. Maybe the state health service will cover it.
Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar - unknown
By OTC, you mean they sell them like cosmetics? Where do I find them in Malaysia? I was thinking of having online therapy sessions at first for the letter. Seems like I don't need to, huh?
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sqrkbkwmqko

Quote from: Hanazono on December 09, 2014, 08:16:41 AM
but please be monitored by a doctor.
Of course! :)
I can't seem to PM you. Hmm. Or I'm not sure how to. Is PM = email?

Edit: okay, I just misunderstood about the PM just now lol.
I can't PM you.
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AnonyMs

You can't PM until you have 15 posts - won't be long at this rate though.

I've found nothing works quite the way you think it does. You can go outside the mainstream path, and not just in Thailand, but you better be ready to have all sorts of problems if you do. I speak from experience here. Try and go as close to the usual path as you can, it will make your life a lot easier. You'd want a really good reason not to.

Obviously I don't know you or your situation, but you don't sound well prepared for what you're doing. I'd suggest you be very careful. I won't say don't do it, since I pretty much did it myself, but perhaps I can make a couple of suggestions that might help. Get a doctor to supervise, and get a therapist (or psychiatrist who does therapy).

You get the doctor so you don't accidentally kill yourself, but also because they can maximize the effects of the hormones without being dangerous. You might also be able to get hormone implants from a doctor and if you need to travel for hormones, or hide what you're doing, that's probably the best way to go. You won't be able to get that without a doctor, since its a minor surgery to put them in (its a scary thought).

The therapist can help you with any issues you might have, and the ones that possibly are coming if you get found out or your feelings get stronger. Think of them both as insurance against bad things that could easily happen.

It sounds like WarlockMaker has a good doctor, and you should be able to find more. You could try asking the doctor if he knows a local therapist.

If you get the doctor and therapist now you'll also find the next steps a lot easier if you need to - its a lot harder to get SRS without letters than hormones.
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ImagineKate

Quote from: sqrkbkwmqko on December 09, 2014, 07:59:01 AM
Wait, am I understanding correctly, that... I don't need a therapist's letter to get legally prescribed hormones in Thailand?

Honey you don't even need that in many places in the USA...  You're still medically monitored though and having a therapist is helpful for issues other than writing a recommendation letter.
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warlockmaker


I get the impression they are forced into the sex industry is because there's a huge amount of discrimination in Thailand. Apparently its very difficult to get a decent job outside the sex industry. If I recall correctly, not only is there no legal protection, but its impossible to change legally change your gender - and that's on your ID which you need to get a job. Its like all the good and bad things are swapped around from where I live (Australia).

Its difficult for a non Asian to understand . We are not Christians but buddhist and we look at gender as part of our cycle of rebirth until we attain enlightment. Being Tg is part of our spiritual growth because in a prior life we have offended or committed an act that needs us to live thru this process to learn and evolve Thus, the society has a culture of "live and let live". There arre a percentage that have gone to the sex industry but in any visit to Thailand we can clock the TG working in Hair Salons, stores and in offices, manufacturing and all walks of life. Its a real misconception about Thai TGs are all in the sex industry
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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AnonyMs

Quote from: warlockmaker on December 09, 2014, 08:34:44 PM
There arre a percentage that have gone to the sex industry but in any visit to Thailand we can clock the TG working in Hair Salons, stores and in offices, manufacturing and all walks of life. Its a real misconception about Thai TGs are all in the sex industry
That's very interesting. Do you see TG in professional jobs - doctors, engineers, lawyers, and so on? Politicians?

What about the discrimination side of things, ID and so on? Is that true?
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warlockmaker

The Thais are mostly slim and quite feminine so they can intergrate without any disclosure. If you have been to the nightlife areas in Bangkok or Phuket you will be amazed at how difficult it is to clock some of the girls. We used to joke (when a male) that if they are too good looking then they must be TGs. Thus the ones with money from a professional job, can afford the best doctors  - you cannot tell they are TG, they are females thru and thru. I wrote when I first on the forum that I dated a post op, sher was just a wonderful person and she has married a Thai banker a couple of years ago also I go out en femme in Bangkok and I feel so comforatable.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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warlockmaker

Most couples never marry and the men are such playboys and therefore there are so many single mothers. Marriage is just irrelevant and such a Christain thing, its hard for a Christian culture to understand this concept. Women in Thailand cannot hold title to land if they marry a foreigner. Thus marriage in Thailand is kinda moot. You cannot use western standard to define their culture. Suffice to say being TG in Thailand is just wonderful and no one cares.....
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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AnonyMs

Quote from: warlockmaker on December 11, 2014, 04:20:57 AM
Women in Thailand cannot hold title to land if they marry a foreigner. Thus marriage in Thailand is kinda moot.
I just looked that up. According to this website neither male or female spouses could hold land, but the policy was changes a few years ago.

http://www.bsalaw.co.th/en/property/faq.html

I'm struggling to understand the apparent contrast between the Thai peoples acceptance of transgender and their legal system. I'm sure it all makes sense from the inside, but not from my (western) point of view. I don't truly understand America either for that matter.

I hope to go to Thailand one day. I love my food, and as far as I'm concerned they have the best food in the world.
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warlockmaker

Quote from: Hanazono on December 11, 2014, 04:37:51 AM
You are not Thai (you wrote of airfares to Thailand)
and I am not Thai
would our perceptions be colored by our respective country's culture?

Perchance being TG in Thailand isn't as "great" as any other country ?

I live in Asia and I am 3/4 chinese. I have Thai relatives and have lived in Thailand as well as being a major real estate developer in Phuket. I spend 3 months a year there today. There are always points of discontent in every society, life is not an eternal bliss. The city where I live has laws that prorect TG discrimination and the have full rights to marriage, there is no restriction, unfortunately due to our family fame I cannot come out here, so Thailand is my choice. I'm drifting off the subject but if you need and assistance in Thailand please let me know by e mail.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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