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Am I being selfish?

Started by ChiGirl, January 06, 2015, 03:26:04 PM

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ChiGirl

That's the million-dollar question. 

(Long post warning!  If you don't need or want any back-story, just go to the last paragraph.)

My wife and I have been together for 15+ years.  The last 5 have been pretty rocky.  Even if I don't transition, I don't know if I can last in this marriage.  Not that she hasn't been a good person, but it's getting for either of us to tolerate each other.  We fight more than we talk.  There is no trust.  She says I'm keeping something from her, but she thinks it's along the lines of an affair, or worse in her mind, I'm spending time with my father. 

The big difference between us, I feel, is that I have been open to getting outside help.  She doesn't believe in therapy, and when I've pushed her to look to her church, she says she's tried, but somehow, I messed it up.  It's always my fault.  Her friends aren't around because of me.  Her problems are because of me.

And I won't deny some of them are.  The last few years, I've been thrashing in my sleep.  I've done sleep studies, been treated for sleep apnea, and have gone on medication for restless leg syndrome (on top of my anti-depressants).  I would actually hurt her in my sleep!  I became an abusive husband in my sleep!  She refused to either of us sleep in another room.   We're in twin beds now, but she says I keep her up with my sleep talking. 

So she's got physical pain and restless nights because of me.  Her parents are sick and will probably be gone soon, but they've been sick since before we got married and they've hung on this long.  So I need to be there to support her.  She gets mad at for going to work when she's not feeling well or she's worried about her parents, which is multiple times a week.  She doesn't work outside the home and she doesn't drive because of old injuries.  I see her turning into her mother and not being able to take care of herself.  That scares me.  And all this time, I'm struggling with gender dysphoria.

Now, I've accepted myself and want to at least explore the idea of transition.  I don't think I can do it with her.  That's partly me and partly because I don't think she will accept it.  But I'm supposed to stay with her and care for her and put her on a pedestal (her words), but I can't do it AND take care of myself.  Am I being selfish?

(Sorry for the long rant.  This is just a small portion of our back-story.  I could give you details that would make your head spin!)
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Ms Grace

I saw a very publicly out trans woman speak early last year - she said that her transition was a selfish act. I was a bit surprised initially but in many ways it made sense. Who are we transitioning for? If it's for anyone but ourselves then we're doing it for the wrong person. So if one accepts that it is a selfish act the real question is - is that a bad thing? And I think if the toss of the coin comes down between living a lie, being utterly miserable, hiding inside a bottle (or other addiction or distraction)...or living as ourselves, then I think the answer is very clearly that no, being selfish is not a bad thing. If it's our survival over other people's comfort, expectations and demands then absolutely being "selfish" is the only realistic course. As long as we acknowledge that some people will be selfish towards us (anger, denial, rejection, ultimatums, emotional extortion, etc) then we're all on the same page!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
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mrs izzy

Yes we are selfish to stop our pain and be happy.

Sorry world if that is un-acceptable.

Mrs. Izzy
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Jill F

If self-preservation is a selfish act, then I am guilty as charged.

Not telling my wife for 20 years that I suspected my core is indeed female = selfish.  I didn't want to lose her.
Self-medding with alcohol and drugs for years to cope = selfish.  I hated being miserable.
Deciding I don't really want to die just yet = selfish.  Wait, or is that selfless?  I didn't want people to have to grieve over me, you know.
Taking estrogen to resolve the underlying problem = selfish or selfless?  My wife and family saw me do a 180.  As a bonus, I'm much more pleasant to be around now that my head is screwed on right. 
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BunnyBee

Transition is inherently a selfish act.  So is eating.
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Ms Grace

Quote from: mrs izzy on January 06, 2015, 03:45:01 PM
Yes we are selfish to stop our pain and be happy.

Sorry world if that is un-acceptable.

Nicely said, Izzy.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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ImagineKate

Selfishness is a virtue in this case, but I can't help but have a conscience. I just wish that those opposing and road blocking me would have one too and let me live.
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suzifrommd

It's not selfish to want to be yourself. I believe no one has the right to ask someone to pretend to be something they're not. It's soul-destroying.

As far as your wife: You need to decide whether she's the one for you. If not, you need to let her go and find someone who will totally want her. This is true whether or not you transition.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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my mother's other daughter

"Selfishness is not living your life as you wish.  It is asking others to live theirs as you wish."  Oscar Wilde


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ChiGirl

Thank you, everyone.  Suzi, your comment really made me think.  I don't know if I want to live with her emotional abuse anymore.  She won't go to couples therapy.   I will lose her and custody will not be easy, but I'm financially okay and I have the support of my dad behind me.  I think I'll have my brother's support. 

The next question, do we divorce without transition being the reason or do I come out and go from there? 

Thanks for your words of support. 
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awilliams1701

It sounds like she's the one that's selfish. You make it sound like no matter what you do, she's going to be mad at you.
Ashley
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suzifrommd

Quote from: ChiGirl on January 07, 2015, 03:55:09 PM
The next question, do we divorce without transition being the reason or do I come out and go from there? 

I wouldn't come out until I was ready. Emotional abuse is certainly reason enough to divorce someone.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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michelle82

i went through the same thing with my ex as well. Accused of being selfish etc. I actually let it get the better of me, and it put me into denial and ultimately stalled my transition plans for a few years. I was moving fast though without any regard for anything. So this probably explained the accusations and backlashes. My advice would be move SLOW, if you want any hope to make the relationship last. It may not make any difference, but if you want to start experimenting with the idea, its better to move super slow, as to ease your spouse into the idea.

Any major project or task that requires a lot of personal focus and energy directed towards one's self could be considered selfish if it takes away time from others  or other things (getting a college degree, having a demanding career, etc). I think these are just coping mechanisms for our spouses and manipulative ways of convincing us to not to go down a certain road. But it's very understandable, because it's probably scary for a someone to suddenly learn that their spouse wants to become another gender/person.

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ChiGirl

Things took a turn for the worse tonight.  My wife and I have been fighting all weekend.  Tonight she said she wants a legal separation.  I simply said okay.  Then she gets mad at me for not agreeing to do it years ago.  THEN, she's mad because she can't believe I want to walk away from her.  She tells me she's going to drag me through he'll and I'm not getting out of this marriage this easily. 

Now my daughter is crying because she heard the word divorce so my wife is telling her it's not going to happen, it's "death til we part."

I'm crying and dying inside here.     I can't live like this anymore.  I see my therapist on Tuesday, but I'm so scared. 
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IAmDariaQuinn

This word "selfish" being attached to being transgender.  It bothers me.  It's like telling me that I'm being selfish for wanting to take that next breath of air to live.  It's like being told that my life and my identity are not my own, that they belong to everyone else, and my only purpose here alive in this world is to serve your needs, desires, and expectations.  I'm just a slave, a slave to this pre-appointed gender role based on anatomy, a slave to rules meant to put us into little boxes so we can all be sorted, separated, mixed and matched.  It's like, when I hear this word in connection to being transgender, it's like someone is telling me that I'm just someone else's doll, to be dressed and stripped and posed and moved at the whim of someone else, that I have no free will, and I have no say in my ow direction. 

If I'm not allowed to be selfish about my own body, my own identity... what should I be selfish about?  Do I simply give up breathing so others can have the air?  Do I stop eating and drinking so others can eat and drink?  Am I even allowed to die?  Or am I stuck, like the Third Law of Robotics? 

I don't have an answer for you, ChiGirl.  I can only hope that you won't allow guilt to enslave you.  No one has the right to do that to you, and I can only hope you won't allow you to do that to yourself.  We can all gather here and tell you that you're doing nothing wrong, that you have no reason to feel shame or guilt, but it won't mean anything unless you believe that yourself.  It make take a long time to get there, but I hope you do.  I hope you know that you answer to no one but yourself when it comes to your own identity, because no one else has to live as you.  You do, and I bet you, all those people who'll try to shame you and guilt trip you couldn't survive a day in your skin. 

You have no idea how strong you are.  I only hope I can be just as strong one day.

ChiGirl

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suzifrommd

Quote from: ChiGirl on January 11, 2015, 09:56:56 PM
I'm crying and dying inside here.     I can't live like this anymore.  I see my therapist on Tuesday, but I'm so scared.

Hugs, dear. We both know you have a long road ahead. I've been there (and gotten through it, though the divorce isn't final yet). If you're like me, you'll find strength you never knew you had.

We'll be there for you. Please keep posting.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Mariah

Is it a selfish act, I suppose so. I was once told you need to take care of yourself before you can take care of someone else. My not dealing with my being trans before nearly killed me as a result of putting others needs before mine. So in order to be there for others we have to do something that some may consider a selfish act, but we have to do it for not just our own well being but for those around us even if they don't understand.
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Curious

The only selfish act would be someone trying to stop you.
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Freyja

i dont know what the hell these guys above are talking about but no, you are not selfish.

is it better for both of you staying unhappy, or for you to be happy, and who knows shes a grown woman maybe she needs change too
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