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A second 'coming out'

Started by cindy16, January 12, 2015, 12:13:28 PM

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cindy16

For those who may not have read my earlier posts, I started off on this site about 2 weeks back basically asking a lot of questions about whether what I was going through was really gender dysphoria. I have found a lot of help on this site which I am thankful for, from the replies to my posts to exchanging a few PMs to reading what others are going through, whether or not I could relate to all of it. But I often felt that beyond a point, no one can really help me unless I stopped being really secretive about who I am, where I am from etc and learnt to deal with the fear of being found out and accept the reality of what I am going through.

So after clearing up my thinking a bit, I have decided to share the following:

My first tentative sort of 'coming out' was to myself and to people on this site, through a pseudonymous profile. The second 'coming out' that I mentioned in the title is about my location. I am from India. I figured that in a country of over a billion people, there must be thousands who would fit the same basic description as me (approximate age, marital status, a few general details of my childhood etc), so even if someone who knows me comes across these posts, they have no way of knowing for sure who it is, at least until I mention exactly where in India I live or what I do etc. And that I need not share here.

Why was I so scared of even mentioning my country? Because as I have said in earlier posts, this is a place where the only visible TGs are those practically living on the street. It is a highly conservative society where even the courts have recently gone back on their progressive stance and criminalized homosexuality. Although a separate set of rules does allow people to undergo transition and legally change their gender, or even identify as a 'third gender', it initially seemed to me that the only people who could openly do this are the 'visible TGs' who have nothing much to lose anyway, or the occasional celebrity in fashion / entertainment where attitudes are more flexible, or a few cases of children etc where medical intervention was thought to be necessary.

After some searching on these forums, I finally found a few girls from India approximately my age who were undergoing transition while still living with their parents and living seemingly normal lives, so my fear that everyone who even speaks about this here will be on the street the next day was proved wrong. Although my situation is a little more complicated (married, wife knows everything and we want to keep our marriage intact), I figured that this probably means at least some health professionals here would have some experience of properly dealing with gender dysphoria and transition.

The next step was to find a therapist, and to get an external opinion on what exactly is my situation. After a lot of fear and confusion about how general psychiatrists or sexologists (which is all I could find online) would deal with this situation, and sending a few emails which have not been answered so far, I finally found a therapist who at least seemed professional enough to be trusted. I have had two meetings with her so far, and in the second one, I finally gathered the courage to tell her what I am really going through. She is still trying to understand my situation as I am still learning to be open about myself, but at least, she has clearly mentioned that she does not like the term 'disorder' for any such situations, because this is not something to be 'rectified'. Instead, one has to understand, accept and find a way to be comfortable, assuming of course that the feelings are genuine.

So now, I am at a stage where I have 'come out' to my wife and to a therapist, and both have been considerate beyond my expectations so far. It has also helped me accept myself more easily, even in a seemingly small way as changing my gender marker on this site to reflect what my mind tells me is my identity, instead of couching it so far by only referring to my biological gender or trying to tell myself that I am still questioning.

Although there are personal and professional reasons why I cannot really consider transition right now or for the next couple of years, I think it is good in a way, because it gives me time to see how strong and permanent my feelings and beliefs are. It also gives me time to figure out how far I will go down the transition route, if I ever start on it, that is. The dysphoria which until a few days ago was like a loud and constant banging in my head, which I described in earlier posts as a sucker-punch and a sledgehammer etc, is now much more manageable as I come to terms with who I am. In fact, coming to terms with myself has also helped me be more focused in my day-to-day activities, which seems to be a byproduct of not having to shut off parts of my brain any more. And about my cross-dressing etc which sort of led me to all this questioning in the first place, I am now more comfortable with it as just another part of my life, instead of being ashamed or confused or feeling guilty or treating it as an exotic escape etc.

I don't really know where I'll go from here. Maybe I might just get over all this a few months from now, and look back at these posts and shrug them off. Or maybe these will be the start of a long journey. Whatever it may be, I think after many days, I can sleep well once more, just being a little more comfortable with myself.
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adrian

Cindy, congratulations on taking these courageous steps! I came across this news item about a transgender news anchor in India a while ago -- maybe her story can hold some inspiration and hope for you: http://m.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29357630 .
A big hug!
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Foxglove

Cindy, congratulations!  It sounds to me like you're going about things very sensibly, and I'm sure you'll be much, much happier in the future.  It's nice to hear a story like this from India.  It shows that we are gaining ground in many parts of the world these days.
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Jason C

Hey Cindy, congrats on taking such a big step, and I'm so glad your wife and therapist have responded better than you expected. I can't imagine how scary it must feel/have felt, but it's great that you're becoming more comfortable with yourself. A lot of people want to start transitioning as soon as possible after they realise that they're trans, but it's not always wise, because sometimes we do need to take things a bit slower and figure ourselves and our decisions out more. I hope your journey is one that brings you peace and happiness :)
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cindy16

Thank you all for the compliments. Well, I do not really look at these as big or courageous steps.. I did what I had to just to maintain my sanity, which after all these years of normalcy (no anger, depression, anxiety problems ever) was suddenly threatening to go off the edge.

@ adrian, I have read of such instances before, and while I support their cause and also LGBT rights in general, I could not personally relate to it or find any answers there. If anything, such examples probably complicated things in my mind all along rather than providing any inspiration. I'll try to explain why.

As I said, India does have visible transgenders, and has had them for centuries if not more, but they have always lived, as the article says, "on the fringes of society, often in poverty, ostracised because of their gender" and "make a living by singing and dancing or by begging and prostitution". For children in poor families with little or no education, and with absolute certainty about their gender identity since childhood, running away from home and joining these communities could be an option better than the life they leave behind, but not for anyone else.
For example, for someone like me who only begins to figure it out as an adult, has always seemed to be male hetero but would now like to identify as mtf lesbian, and would like to maintain their existing career etc, this is completely unthinkable. It's perhaps even worse for FtMs, because they do not have any such communities to escape to and no choice but to be completely invisible to save themselves from the wrath of patriarchy.

For all these reasons, I could never really even face up to my issues until I figured out that people like Lynn Conway exist, and then I found this site with real people and real stories I could relate to.
I am well aware that this world I see online is very different from the world around me, so that is a factor too in taking things slow. The world around me somehow finds it easier to give some rights to a visible TG minority which lives outside the mainstream, than to acknowledge that the same issues of gender identity and sexuality could be tearing apart the minds of some people in their own homes and offices. It is a schizophrenic sort of existence, as if the world around you is progressing and regressing at the same time.
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cindy16

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Foxglove

Quote from: cindy16 on January 12, 2015, 11:50:23 PM

As I said, India does have visible transgenders, and has had them for centuries if not more, but they have always lived, as the article says, "on the fringes of society, often in poverty, ostracised because of their gender" and "make a living by singing and dancing or by begging and prostitution". . .

Cindy, I don't know if you're aware of it (and if you don't you may be gratified to learn) but Indian transgender people (hijras?) do get a fair bit of press here in the West, at least in transgender circles.  There's no doubt that I personally would have heard more about India's transpeople than those of any other country outside the West.  It's one reason I'd like to visit India: to meet some of my sisters.  Some may disagree with me, but I have the impression that transpeople are more visible in India than in any other country in the world.  And yet their struggles are as great as anybody's.  It is an international campaign.  We all have to work together to gain our rights.
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adrian

Hi Cindy,

Yeah, I understand that you have mixed feelings about the example I linked.

While I live in a fairly liberal European country, there's still a big difference in how "normal" lgbti* people will be treated in everyday life and the kind of (better) treatment more public figures receive.
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cindy16

@ Adrian: exactly! it's the same thing here as well.

@ Foxglove: I was not sure how much press they get in the West, but I got some sense of it when I was trying to search for others from India on this site. Most of the search results were simply referring to news stories such as this one or about the Indian Supreme Court's judgement on 'third gender' last year and other such issues, and I had to scroll down many many such posts before finding the 1-2 girls I mentioned.
So yes, they are visible, but that visibility is also probably a constant reminder to everyone what happens to you if you step outside the boundaries of biological gender. Now, numbering in the millions and mobilizing themselves as a force at least in some parts of the country, they have got some legal recognition, but they still have a long way to go. And for those living 'normal' but closeted lives, it's an even longer path.

Anyway, I am not really feeling very good today. Having some trust issues with the people around me. That's a reminder of the many ups and downs to come...
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Ciara

Congratulations Cindy.
I know that you have been in a very difficult place but you are coming to term with it very well. You are very fortunate that your wife is accepting.
We are all on journeys to different destinations. I hope you arrive to yours soon and that you enjoy every step along the way.
Ciara.
I don't have a gender issue.
I love being a girl.



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cindy16

Thanks Ciara.

@ Foxglove: One thing I forgot to add - if you are planning to visit India, sure it's a great place, and meeting TGs here will probably give you a unique perspective which most visitors and even most Indians may not have. Do be careful of your safety though, which of course depends on what you present as and how well you pass. Feel free to PM me if you want any inputs.
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Foxglove

Quote from: cindy16 on January 13, 2015, 09:22:48 PM
@ Foxglove: One thing I forgot to add - if you are planning to visit India, sure it's a great place, and meeting TGs here will probably give you a unique perspective which most visitors and even most Indians may not have. Do be careful of your safety though, which of course depends on what you present as and how well you pass. Feel free to PM me if you want any inputs.

A cousin and a friend of mine have visited India in recent times, which makes me all the more eager to go.  Alas!  Money problems as usual.  Nothing new there.  Maybe some day.

And I have heard about safety issues in India.  But you have those everywhere.  You have to be smart wherever you are.
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cindy16

Thought I should update this with what's happened in the last week.
So the first thing was another longish conversation with my wife, our first one about this since I came out to her two weeks ago. We had been talking off and on about it, but she believed this was just a phase for me and it would pass. But now, I guess we both realize that my dysphoria is for real, and it's not going to go away.
The good thing is that she accepts it as long as it is just at the mental/emotional level, but she's still a bit scared by me even considering any physical changes, even if that's in the distant and uncertain future. She is open though to talking about them in factual / medical terms as long as it doesn't seem like I am going to do any of it right away (HRT / surgery etc).
She also knows about this site and that I post here without going into too many personally identifiable details, and for the first time she was a bit keen to know what goes on here. Not considering joining as an SO, but just hearing it from me.

I am not sure if this means she'll eventually come around to accepting it fully, or if there is a point beyond which she could snap. But I see no point in forcing the issue as I am uncertain myself about if / when I'll ever transition, and the uncertainty is not just for personal but even professional reasons. So the message is still 'time will tell'.

I also met my therapist again today, our third meeting in less than two weeks, but by the end of it, we decided we no longer need to meet so frequently. My initial fear and confusion has dissipated, and we were able to have a much more frank and open discussion because of that. The good thing is, even though she is a general therapist, not one specializing in gender issues, she is totally clear on what gender dysphoria is, including the fact that it was redefined in DSM-5 last year, and open to talking constructively about it. I'll still meet her off and on, but as of now, things seem to be settling into a comfortable mode to allow me to 'wait and watch'.
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cindy16

Yet another update.

I met my therapist again a couple of days back, sooner than I thought I would need to. We had a shorter conversation than before but I told her that dealing with my dysphoria is now not looking as simple as it was before. She tried giving some suggestions but then also asked me if she can share my case details (excluding personal specifics) with someone she knows who specializes in gender issues. I agreed, as I was anyway beginning to realize that as a general therapist, she can only help me up to a certain point.

This was followed by another series of long conversations with my wife. On one hand, she has become more open and accepting about it, to the extent that she offered to buy me a dress when we were out shopping. I refused because I already have some, and I cannot wear any of them in public yet.
On the other hand, about me considering any actual physical / medical changes, she was very very opposed to it. She brought up its possible effect on our future kids, our parents, our careers etc, precisely the concerns that I share too, but as I tried to explain how each of these could be managed, she simply said she is still opposed to it. We eventually left the conversation in a sort of limbo.

She does realize though that for me, the choice at some point may be between a short, unhappy, unhealthy life as male vs a longer, happier, healthier life as female. We want to be with each other no matter what, and are very much on 'normal' talking terms about everything else, so hopefully things should get better.
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