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Started by cheeseiron, January 16, 2015, 07:18:53 PM

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cheeseiron

.:{ I am going to be getting therapy soon so making that suggestion is good but would be somewhat redundant }:.

.:',' I am currently 18 years old, going on 19 ',':.

I could delve into many details but I will try to remain brief.

I always felt out of place and diss-associative my whole life. I just thought I was ->-bleeped-<-ing wierd. (I even used to tell my parents that I had a robot family who made me. I was a "vanilla" Boy, always did what authority said and was practically an angel child. I constantly obeyed even if I felt opposition to the rules was more appropriate. I loved all sorts of movies, but I recall really liking disney movies, specifically Princesses and the times I remember most were times with my mom and how much I loved spending time with her (I had many friends and role models that were girls and few that were boys) (I also adore the times with my dad just as much, but I had little relation in many areas of interest that he tried exposing me to such as baseball, general sports, etc.)

I became more educated on gay people and had interest in it but was not into male-male sex. (but still found myself attracted to men)

I found out about transgenders and gender identity disorder at age 16 and immediately identified with it and wanted to become a girl physically.

I sort-of came out to parents but got totally shut down out of lacking confidence in myself. (also I thought TG meant you had to be gay, which was something I was unsure of)

I tried my best to "man up". I became very muscular, active and "Manly". Constant desire to prove myself masculine made my life very hectic. I almost died several times doing dangerous parkour jumps. (exhibiting a lot of OCD traits at this time: counting stair steps, always skipping a certain number of stairs, routine daily physical challenges [performed whether or not I really felt like it and sometimes causing injury], intense superstition, repeated tasks upon entering or leaving rooms, little or no focus on anything other than "manly" activities, the list goes on...] I would watch high intensity and action packed movies and try to "become" the manly characters in these films to reinforce a sense of masculinity. (fun fact: I got sizable muscle build-up in my pectoral area (muscle boobs) and I loved these and it felt so right, physically)

The few relationships that I have had were highly volatile, and I would get a feeling with these girls that I didn't have any interest in intimacy and especially not sex as I cannot see myself in the male role of hetero sex (but I do see myself in the female one at times) I almost would exist vicariously through my girlfriends, which ultimately was a turn off for them and I usually ended up dumped or friendzoned. (BTW fun fact all of my GF's considered themselves to be bi or lesbian in some way.)

After two and a half years of drowning myself in testosterone, I see myself as female again, but much stronger. After I have vivid inclination for very potentially deadly and suicidal actions I realize something must change. I meditated in a very peaceful spot for a while that day and the answer came to me like a golden arrow of truth, I suddenly felt "found". For about 2 monthes I regularly experiment with makeup and some of my mom's clothing and it feels so right.

I suddenly feel like I have a sense of self. I finally come clean to my parents once more, and as I accept myself as female I feel less anxious and need not to do anything to prove myself as this. The only anxiety I feel now is the realization that this road might lead to a great divide between my friends and family, and that, if I transition, the sooner I begin and sort of medical transition, the better chances of passing and being more aesthetically attractive I have. Also the discomfort with male features that I have (leg, arm, and body hair, male genitals, lack thereof breasts) causes me distress on a daily basis, and sometimes I will stare at my reflection for a long time trying to convince myself that I am just a man and I am confused but I can't. The only solace comes from realization that I am in fact a female born in what appears to be a male's body.

My parents (I am so blessed I have parents that are loving enough not to overreact to something like this) have suggested that perhaps it is OCD (specifically Pure obsessional OCD). They cite evidence from my childhood of periods of obsession over some facet of my life, weather it be a media character, a video game, etc. and I must admit I did have some obsessions like that but not something like this. Also, I have a feeling it is somewhat normal for kids to have obsessions at some point or another.

The jyst of it is as follows:
-Late(r) blooming TG feelings (likely attributed to limited media access as a child, eg: no private internet for me until about 7th grade)
-Little to no apprehension to the thought of transitioning medically (other than social stigma but that is understandable)
-Excitement, eureka, and feeling of relation to transgender perspectives, feelings, struggles
-Difficulty seeing future success as a man; TBH If I am in the mindset of "being male" I feel like I want to destroy everything and get really angry at the world; I think the only way I could be male is if I moved to some remote place and lived like as a monk or something.
- Exuberance and excitement for a future as female; I see myself going places a female, having success in my career as a female; etc...

My question is, is this some form of OCD (Pure-O OCD, TOCD, HOCD, etc.) or is this genuine Gender Dysphoria (Once refered to as Gender Identity Disorder)

My personal theory is that I infact am trans, but I sort of gave myself OCD (or OCD type symptoms) in my frantic efforts to dismiss the notion that I am female internally.

Thank you

PS: So much for remaining brief...  ::)
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CrissyMarie

You described a clear cut picture of gender dysphoria.  I'm not a therapist, but can say you need to make sure you see one that deals in gender dysphoria, otherwise it will be a waste of time.  From my observation, you fit the mold quite well of being transgender MtF.  Do not fear that as it is so incredibly relieving and to live freely as yourself.  18 is also a perfect age to begin transition via HRT either from giving informed consent to a general doctor or from obtaining a letter of recommendation from the therapist.  Both work.  My suggestion would be stop bulking up, trim back down and change quick before to many masculine traits take place.  I wish you the best of luck my sister.  (Hugs - Christina)



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alexbb

"-Little to no apprehension to the thought of transitioning medically (other than social stigma but that is understandable)
-Excitement, eureka, and feeling of relation to transgender perspectives, feelings, struggles
-Difficulty seeing future success as a man; TBH If I am in the mindset of "being male" I feel like I want to destroy everything and get really angry at the world; I think the only way I could be male is if I moved to some remote place and lived like as a monk or something.
- Exuberance and excitement for a future as female; I see myself going places a female, having success in my career as a female; etc..."

this is a good thread. sometimes i think maybe im just crazy. but this is true!

silentone

#3
I am in the same boat as you. My parents think it is OCD, but I think it is GID. The biggest difference between your history and mine is that my GID arose when I was in kindergarden/first grade and that I feel a need to transition. Most of your other experiences and feelings are very similar to mine. My first therapist believed it was not due to OCD, but my anger towards feeling trapped in the wrong body led to many of my OCDs.  I might begin hrt again.
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Seras

I read the account of a guy before on ->-bleeped-<- who thought he was trans but wasn't, he just had obsessive thoughts from his OCD. I can't remember exactly how it went but it was a different different narrative to you. It just popped out one day out of the blue rather than being something he could trace back. Of course every ones narrative is different, even I imagine people with OCD driven trans desires. I suggest you try and move on this quickly cause you are right, ultimately the earlier the better is true. Although of course this does have a caveat, being, as early as possible, *when you are ready*. Try and get the question of whether or not it is OCD resolved and then you can move on with your life either way secure that you did it properly. This guy that I read about who had OCD got it sorted out with his psych and is now happily dude-ing it up last I heard.
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JoanneB

Though I've had little doubt I am a transsexual and felt that way since about the age of five I constantly worry if I am obsessing too much about a full transition being THE route to happiness. Another way of putting it is, "Is transitioning just another way of running away from your problems?" The world still goes on and you trade one set of problems for a whole other set.

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amber roskamp

ocd doesn't make you feel any gender dysphoria. You could have ocd and be trans at the same time. the fact that when you finally discovered what transgender meant and it felt right and the fact that you really want to physically transition probably means you are trans. I have harbored many doubts here and there about whether or not im trans, but the thing I keep coming back to is if I wasn't trans why do I keep imagining my life as a women as often as I do? and  If I wasn't trans why do I want to physically transition? There is literally no reason. I feel like we  spend too much time thinking "what if im not trans?  what if im just crazy?" For many of us who were brought up in a family that was openly homophobic/ transphobic and therefor sexist its really hard too accept ourselves as trans because we are raised to believe it is wrong.

Good luck! I hope therapy clarifies things for you.
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alexbb

i got told i had ocd but oddly, a lot of the relentless, cyclical thoughts of despair, and the ritualistic behaviours (porn) just stopped dead when i came out to myself and everyone else. literally just stopped. like a vice was being tightened on my mind and had been knocked loose. smoking went from 40 a day to 1 after dinner. at any time, when normally id spiral into a bottomless pit in the basement of my mind, now i feel a solid floor.

"Another way of putting it is, "Is transitioning just another way of running away from your problems?" The world still goes on and you trade one set of problems for a whole other set.
Which pain is worse?"

" I feel like we  spend too much time thinking "what if im not trans?  what if im just crazy?""

100% agree. half the people in the world are women, and from what i can see being a white middle class male is MUCH better in many ways. im giving up those privileges because living as a boy was causing me chronic psychic pain.
now that the dysphoria, despair and the horrendous cognitive dissonances of internalised and external transphobia are significantly relieved and i know their days are numbered i feel much more prepared to face the everyday bull->-bleeped-<- and occaisional catastrophe every person man or woman faces. im on my side. before i just wanted to top myself asap.

Handy

#8
As a trans person who knew for certain they were a girl from the age of five, and also suffered from EXTREME OCD for most of her life, I can say that, from my experiences, OCD is more a symptom of the gender dysphoria than cause.

I would desperately try to consume my thoughts with whatever I could; if you're thinking about something really involved and attention-demanding, it's hard to focus on your discontentment with yourself! This OCD became progressively worse, reaching its apex at puberty (as you might expect from someone obsessing as a means of coping).

It manifested itself in a host of bizarre superstitions (like you described), non-stop hand washing, 5+ showers a day, and EXTREME black and white thinking. I also had a host of co-morbid type symptoms (like severe tics)

here's the cool part: The second I accepted my need to transition, and accepted I was trans, that all began to melt away. Transitioning was more effective than all the paxil in the world at quelling my OCD, and nowadays I can do things like let people use my phone, touch items on the shelf at a store, and use the computers in the lab (if I have hand sanitizer; these may sound like trivial examples, but I swear it is SO far beyond anything I'd have ever thought possible for myself!)

By transitioning I helped end the constant torment that came with being in the wrong body, and thus, removed the need to occupy my mind. You definitely sound like textbook GD, and I'd imagine your experience would likely be similar.
On HRT 2 years - Full time 1/7/14
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cindy16

I've been asking myself the same question too. My wife (who was the first person to know about my gender dysphoria) also thinks it is either my OCD or I am just projecting what I have been reading onto myself.
To be honest, my OCD has never been so severe - just a couple of odd, repetitive behaviors which I do get over occasionally if I try a bit. But I do feel that after accepting myself, I have been able to think more clearly and avoid wasting time on quite a few things I did earlier just to occupy my mind. Someone might say a lot of that time is now spent on this site, so it's one obsession replaced by another. :)
Honestly though, I am still figuring out what it is, but I agree with others here that OCD could be an outcome and not the cause of your gender dysphoria.
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ameliato

Hi Cheeseiron,

So many great responses for you here and a great thread. Not a therapist myself, nor claim to be an expert, but I see that you clearly have the same story as many of us who are here.

My story was quite the same as yours. I have experienced this confusion since 5 (now 36) not understanding it until I saw "those trans people" on Jerry Springer (late 90's and that was my first introduction to trans people) and started to think "holy sh^%" "those trans people" are me. I denied it and I immersed myself in every male activity and took many similar risks you discuss regarding activity just to be "that guy." Bulked up muscle like mad. Would then hate it and lose it, then repeat when I felt I wasn't manly enough, etc etc.

After experimenting with makeup, dressing etc, for 20 odd years I figured this wasn't just a phase. Always saying it was the last time every time, until my mid 20's. Finally I gave up denying and ended up just enjoying that side of me for what it was, and knowing this was truly me. I thought I could live with this and bury it, hide it etc. That decision came back to bite me the last 6 months where my GD just became too much to handle and the walls came tumbling down and sought therapy. I like who I am and want to be and only regret not having addressed this while I was younger (around your age).

Only you can truly decide who you are and what you want to do. The first step to figuring that out is finding a therapist skilled and trained in dealing with Gender Dysphoria. The sooner the better and the happier you will be regardless of what it is you experience.

Good luck and best wishes.


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Steph34

I, too, was diagnosed with OCD as a child. That has always been evident in my double-checking everything, and controlling the number of steps or bites with my left and right sides to be equal. I also stressed out over tiny differences in indoor temperature. Transitioning has greatly helped in reducing the disruptive behaviors associated with my OCD, which makes sense because T increases anger, and the disruptive behavior often presented as aggression toward people who I felt threatened my health or safety (ie. femininity and self-expression). Unfortunately, my family dismissed the evidence of my gender dysphoria (like touching girls' clothing at 5, cutting body hair at 15 and being underweight several times before 20) as manifestations of the OCD, when really, I just did not want to become a "man." I also doubted I was truly trans. Even though I knew I was not male at heart and wanted to be as feminine as I could, I figured there was nothing I could do about it anyway; with a Y chromosome I couldn't possibly be female, right?

To summarize, I do think the OCD and gender dysphoria fed off of each other, because I would focus excessively on the slightest bit of masculinization and go to great lengths to prevent it.

I agree with those who recommended cheeseiron see a therapist familiar with gender identity, not just any therapist, because that sounds like transgender to me. It is fairly common for trans people to 'run' from their thoughts by doing masculine stuff. In the end, it only makes dysphoria worse and may make it harder to transition should one choose to do so.
Accepted i was transgender December 2008
Started HRT Summer 2014
Name Change Winter 2017
Never underestimate the power of estradiol or the people who have it.
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