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Dissociation from who you were

Started by spacerace, January 29, 2015, 07:27:37 AM

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spacerace

How much of this is healthy ?

After over a year on testosterone, I really do feel like a different person in a lot of ways. If I were to describe it succinctly, it feels like the essence of who I was a person was a big lump of clay waiting to be molded into my personality, and it was frozen in that state until I came out to myself and then started HRT. Now, the clay has turned into a stable foundation where the base of who I really am as a person is taking shape, and it is wonderful.

I was not a great person before- I had no idea how to be myself, so I ended up fabricating a personality that was not authentic, and it showed in my inter-personal relationships and general life trajectory.

I see a lot of trans people talking about "she was like this, he is like this" or vice versa depending on gender, and I find myself falling into that trap as a sort of coping mechanism when I get down about the person I used to be. I worry that this dissociation is just that - a justification to myself, when really I want to think about it as an almost biological interruption in personality development.

I guess my question is, is it all right to think about myself as almost two different people, or is just me trying to band aid over the things I had to get over as a I grew up and reflected on who I was? anybody else worry about this?
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suzifrommd

Quote from: spacerace on January 29, 2015, 07:27:37 AM
I guess my question is, is it all right to think about myself as almost two different people, or is just me trying to band aid over the things I had to get over as a I grew up and reflected on who I was? anybody else worry about this?

I'd say most trans people seem to see it that way. Certainly a lot of people.

If it helps you to think of your past in this way, I don't see anything wrong.
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Cindy

Coming from the opposite direction but I think relevant.

Many of us feel this way. I remember seeing her in the mirror and not him. Shortly after he disappeared. I still have his memories, but he has gone.

I think it would be the same for men, when you accept yourself as the person you are the facade just retreats into oblivion.

You are a man, why should you retain the female past, I'm a woman my male past has gone. I personally think it is a very positive sign of self acceptance.

Just my opinion of course.
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Contravene

I used to worry that maybe I only wanted to transition so I could escape the person I used to be since I wasn't always so great either but after a lot of soul searching, I realised that wasn't the case. Now I like to remind myself that I'm the same person but I've grown and changed and transitioning will just be another stage in life that will help me grow into who I really am.

I think everyone eventually feels somewhat removed from who they were in the past because people are constantly growing and changing even if it's not in the physical sense like transitioning. I've heard older relatives reminisce about their lives and comment that they feel as if they've actually lived dozens of different lives because they've changed so much through the years. It seems that everyone feels that way at some point either because of some life changing event or just because they've matured. I think it's perfectly fine to feel removed from your past self.
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spooky

I actually struggle with a dissociative disorder and do not find it comforting at all to further fragment my history like this.

For me I don't feel that it would be healthy.  If you're otherwise healthy, I doubt you're doing any harm. 
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Carrie Liz

Early in transition, yes, I did use disassociation as a coping mechanism to separate myself from my past failures. I tried to convince myself that I was a different person now, my personality was different, my problems were over now, things were different, and therefore those past failures somehow weren't my fault because I'm not that person anymore.

And, well, then I started having to admit to myself that I still had most of the same awful habits that I had before... my house was still a complete disaster, I still yelled at video games in frustration, I was still just as much of a procrastinator as ever, etc. And it was a bit painful to admit it at first, that the "ideal" image of myself that I was trying to live up to in my head just wasn't what the reality was. That even though the outside had changed, I was still the exact same person inside.

But then, right at the 2 year mark on HRT, true dissociation happened. For the first time ever, I looked back at the video of myself that I'd made pre-transition, and I COMPLETELY didn't recognize myself anymore. And I realized, looking at that guy's hairy arms, HUGE bulky body, deep voice, and talking about a male sex drive, I didn't remember ANY of those things. I seriously do not remember what it was like to be male anymore. I can tell you about it as someone who can describe it in analytical terms about how it affected me mentally, but in terms of actually remembering what it's like to look down and see those hairy arms on a minute-to-minute basis, what it's like to look in the mirror and see that hulking masculine mass and actually recognize that person as being "me"... no. I can't. It's a complete feeling of dissociation looking back at any picture of me from the 8th grade onward. I've been living as my current self so long now, that it's the only self I mentally recognize as being me.

So yeah... while my personality has barely changed at all, and I can definitely remember all the things I did and the emotions I went through, and there's no dissociation whatsoever with my memories or with the mistakes I made, I'm pretty much not remembering having gone through them as a guy.

Basically, internally there is no dissociation now. I've accepted that I'm still more or less exactly the same person as I always was. But externally? I look back at those old pictures/videos and I don't even recognize myself. I seriously feel like "wait, THAT was me?" And it feels more like he was some distant friend than a person that I actually used to look in the mirror and recognize as "me."
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FriendsCallMeChris

Really interesting discussion.  I want to come back and study it.  I can relate in so many ways (and am not ready to relate in others  ??? )
Chris
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Jill F

I have come to realize that I have been "me" all along.  Sh*t canning elements of my personality that conflicted with my physical anatomy eventually became too painful to bear.

"Same monkeys, different barrel" definitely applies to me.
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Cin

I see myself as an actor playing a male role because that is what the director wants me to do, whoever this director may be.

Right now, I'm merely existing, I'd be lying if I said I expect it to change any time soon. I am merely putting the needs of other people I love over my own needs, which is what everyone does to varying extents, but there will come a time when I'll need some happiness of my own (if that's possible) I'll think of that day as the day I stop acting and start being closer to the real me. It would be a gradual process, since being true to yourself is not easy.

but I'll always be the same person. One day when I move forward, I may forget my past and move on, but it played a major role in shaping me.
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Felix

I have major issues with dissociation but it isn't all connected to being trans for me.

I had a baby when I was a teenager. I was passing as a young gay male, and then I got pregnant and became a mother, a woman. It turned my psyche inside out and I had to recreate my narrative. That involved some serious dissociation. I had to recognize how much I was compartmentalizing even if I didn't talk about it. I had to work out a story for myself that didn't include things I couldn't handle. I couldn't come out of the closet for lots of years, so I played fast and loose with my memories.

I still refuse to deal with things that don't "fit" into my current self, but I think I've done a good job of not throwing out useful details that just happen to come from the time I spent living as female. My girl self was an act that my real self really experienced. I was in girl scouts, and I had periods, and I navigated all sorts of weird social tangles, and I'm not going to throw all that away. Now I go with what I feel like I am and I don't intentionally alter anything if I don't have to. I do omit most gendered references when I talk.

I think whatever works for you is okay and I don't think anyone would expect you to be unconflicted about it.
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Northern Jane

Within a couple of years of transition/SRS I came to realize that I had always been a girl and that I had responded to the situation the same way a young girl would have. It came as quite a surprise to me but was, in some ways, very reassuring. Was it "revisionist history" or reality? It makes perfect sense that it was reality because I never bought into the "male image" thing.
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Mariah

I hadn't realized the extent of my dissociation from who I was before until the other day when I went looking back at old photos. It really hit me when I looked at many of them and knew who they were picks of but didn't associate them as being me.
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Northern Jane

Quote from: Mariah2014 on January 31, 2015, 07:13:28 AM
I hadn't realized the extent of my dissociation from who I was before until the other day when I went looking back at old photos. It really hit me when I looked at many of them and knew who they were picks of but didn't associate them as being me.

LOL! My sister brought me a public school yearbook some 35 years after transition and I couldn't find myself! I had to read the captions! ROFL!
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JoanneB

I tend to see it more like looking back at an unhealthy version of myself, not a different one. GD has been an important part of my life. Yet it is not how I define myself. TBH - before taking on the trans beast for real after 50 years of toying with it, about 80% of how I define myself had absolutely nothing to do with gender. Now that I am far healthier emotionally between self acceptance and HRT, I feel GD is maybe only 5% now.

I still present as male due to a few more pressing factors. My therapist once asked me when the topic of transitioning once again surfaced; "What would be different if Joanne showed up for work?" What first popped into my head was "hair... Otherwise not much". I then had to go on to explain how these days I think, aside from my presentation, I am mostly just one persona. I am no longer various bits of people playing to an audience. I mostly reached my main goal of joining together these two totally separate parts of me into one whole healthy and happy person.

The only real difference in presenting full-time would be feeling 100% genuine. That is, of course, provided I can keep the other 90% or more together
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