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Started by Obfuskatie, January 24, 2015, 08:56:03 AM

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Obfuskatie

"I have to do the right thing, or I won't be able to look myself in the mirror."

Shame is the motivating force behind being unable to look in the mirror in cisnormative thinking.  So how come I couldn't see myself in my reflection as a child without having done anything to be ashamed of?  Is it a transgender thing or another thing that makes me weird?  Thankfully, during my transition, the mirror has become less awkward to look into.  But this all got me thinking, what kinds of relationships do other transpeople have with their mirror?



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darkblade

I've never had as big an issue with mirrors as some people here seem to have. I never a huge fan of the mirror, never went out of my way to avoid it either. I just never liked looking at myself, don't know why specifically though. What I can say though is that I've been looking at myself in the mirror (or any reflective surface for the matter) a lot more often since I've begun to experiment a little with the way I dress and stuff..  Most importantly when I started binding, seeing a flat chest makes me happy.
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AndrewG

One of the advantages of being relatively short is that I only normally see my head in mirrors. Don't mind that much. I'm not the best looking guy in the world but I'd probably pass so I can identify with my face.

Problem for me is full length. Even binding I've still got a chest and there's no way I could cope with seeing myself naked. I stand a certain way in the shower so I don't catch my reflection and hate seeing any photos of me after puberty.


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Ptero

I have to be in front of my own reflection for hours every day because of my profession. Some days it makes me mad and I can't work properly...

I must say from the furthest I can remember I've always been surprised by the image of myself in a mirror. I feel like I don't remember exactly how I look so it's always a bit weird. (But I also can't remember how other people look like so I think it's a problem with face memory I have...)
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Damara

I am constantly looking at my reflection, trying to glimpse at my female self. Mirrors are all through my house so this isn't some "pull out the hand mirror and stare mindlessly like narcissus" lol! Sometimes I like what I see other times, I get super obsessively paranoid about a trait that is male and get sad... I know for fact that my dysphoria is less when I'm wearing makeup.. without it I feel way worse.
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Cindy

For years I covered every mirror in the house so that I wouldn't see him when I woke up.

Now, Love mirrors :laugh:
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Ms Grace

When I see myself in a mirror I always smile back. Or pull a funny face! ;D
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JoanneB

Before I started taking on the trans-beast for real 6 years ago, I hated mirrors and could not stand to see me in photos. Aside from a quick glance most workdays to see what little of my hair was waaay out of place I avoided them

These days when I am fully presenting as Joanne I love them. Even when I am not, I see her looking back. The smile on the face is my own

I don't know if I would ascribe my past aversion to shame. Oh, I had plenty of that growing up feeling out of place. It was more simply hating being in my own skin and soooo reminded of it. Today I love being in my own skin
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LatrellHK

I realized over the years that the only reason I hated mirrors was because I look extremely feminine to many people. Put on girls clothes for a day and get hit on and asked for dates, ugh. I don't stare for too long but ever since I cut my hair super short I can look. I just can't stare when I have no clothes on cause then I get super uncomfortable with the image and even depressed. I also realized I hated pictures because the way I smile is girly to lots of people and pictures capture a part of me I don't want to have to remember years later. If I wasn't so crazy with my smile and stuff, I actually like taking pictures but only if it can capture a masculine look.

I don't know. I just don't stare at mirrors for longer than I have to. Usually the longest you'll see me staring at a mirror is if I'm cutting my hair. Otherwise I stare intensely trying to see the guy I feel everyday and instead I see the girl I'm trying to repress. I call her Katy and she's currently in a box in the farthest recesses of my brain trying not to die.
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darkblade

Subjects like this one worry me a bit, because I feel like what if I'm making all this being trans stuff up? Yes, I like myself s lot more in the mirror (and as a result end up looking in the mirror more often) and whatever I said above. But, I'm not mirror-averse at all. At least not in the sense that it depresses me or something that big. Not even when naked. I don't necessarily like what I see, but I don't hate it either. The other day I stood in front of the mirror for a while before a shower and realized that my shoulders were reasonably wider than my hips, that part made me happy but seeing myself doesn't make me said either. Not that I do it often. It just worries me a bit that the way I feel isn't nearly as intense as it is for you guys.
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AndrewG

Don't worry darkblade, I feel that way about some other things I read. Think it's just that we all have different triggers. For me, mirrors are definitely one.
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Call me Ray

Mirrors only seem to bother me some of the time. It's probably because the only time I look in them is after I shower and I purposefully don't run the fan so they're steamed up and I can't see myself well. At work in the bathroom I tend to just stare at the sink because the mirror reminds me of how out of place I feel. Photos though, photos are terrible.
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jessical

I never felt ashamed at looking at myself in the mirror.  I did feel ashamed of who I was on the inside.  But, my reflection brought about something else.  When I looked at my self, I felt ugly.  I had a poor body image.  I even spent a large effort trying to change that, but nothing worked.  It felt like the face I saw was not me.  When I started HRT, that changed immediately.  Which was a bit bizarre, because it changed immediately, even though my body had not started changing on the outside.  I looked at myself and thought I look good.  Then as HRT did change me on the outside, each change made me excited.  It felt like it was really me in the mirror.
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Obfuskatie

This thread is pretty representative of my vacillating opinion on mirrors, which can be a trigger for me.  For the cis-person, I think they associate more with their reflection and think of the inability to look at that reflection as representative of shame.  But I didn't usually look in a mirror and see myself as I was growing up.  I barely associated with my reflection at all, it was more like I was looking at another person who was similar to me.  Time and maturity forced me to realize that my reflection and pictures were how the world saw me, which caused me quite a bit more duress.

  Darkblade, I totally understand looking at the topic as a possible way you might not be trans enough.  But there isn't a litmus test for levels of transness.  And I don't believe all transpeople have to be a certain way.  We are all different, and it's ok.  It's normal to continue to have questions and doubts, just try not to lose yourself in them.

Quote from: LatrellHK on January 25, 2015, 09:09:25 AM
I don't know. I just don't stare at mirrors for longer than I have to. Usually the longest you'll see me staring at a mirror is if I'm cutting my hair. Otherwise I stare intensely trying to see the guy I feel everyday and instead I see the girl I'm trying to repress. I call her Katy and she's currently in a box in the farthest recesses of my brain trying not to die.
Facial Agnosia - The inability to recognize someone from their face, even if they know the person well.  My college astronomy professor had facial agnosia, and couldn't recognize people until they began speaking to her.  It wasn't until I had my first class with her that I realized the relationship people usually had with faces would extend to their reflections; she explained that we may see her outside of class and she wouldn't be able to tell who we were until after talking with us.  She said it wasn't personal, and wryly added that she also had difficulty with her own reflection.  I totally identified with that, but everyone around me was baffled.

It was jarring, but I had no clue why my classmates didn't understand.  So I spent time away from my then-girlfriend and outside of school and I researched facial agnosia, eventually coming to transgender issues because of mirrors.  It was the first time I had words for the way I felt: Gender Identity Disorder.  It still took me time to tell the wrong person, the girlfriend, and another 8 years to open up a second time.

At 31, I'm 2 years into my transition and I've finally begun to like my reflection somewhat.  But if it wasn't for FFS, I probably wouldn't have.

LatrellHK, try not to think of it as a part of yourself you are rejecting.  Whole people possess feminine and masculine aspects.  The goal is to adapt your body to your chosen gender.  It's still your body, and there are always going to be aspects from your past that are part of you as a person.  Being trans is learning to be humble, and accept that you and the world are imperfect.  I'd rather be who I am today, than one of the self-absorbed ignorant masses.



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Ptero

Facial agnosia has always interested me because I don't easily recognize people by their face (even if it's not pathological in my case. Or at least I don't think so). And I think it has something to do with the fact I don't identify with my own reflection. But I never really put it in relation with being trans*. I would more say that there are two issues that reinforce each other.
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LatrellHK

Probably a clear issue with me. I've never been open to looking at mirrors, especially when I put on makeup for a class thing. I felt so weird and ugh it was terrible. But I understand clearly that nobodys perfect, heck look at my family, and everyone has imperfections. I tend to look at those imperfections as part of their personality and defining features that help me recognize them cause I am awful with new people.
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zukhlo

Back when I was trying to be a woman I used to hate seeing myself in the mirror. I overcompensated with girliness but I could never really pull it off.  I used to put on an insane amount of makeup to cover up my face and by the time I was done I would look like a different person, and that was the only way I could be ok with how I looked. But I wouldn't really see myself in the mirror, just somebody else who looked acceptable. And then when the makeup came off I would avoid looking at myself again. I would never let anyone see me without makeup on either.
Now, I got no problem with mirrors...and I have less of a problem being photographed too!
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marikvulpina

never having been terribly self-aware, it wasn't that i disliked looking in the mirror so much as it held no more appeal than looking at a photograph of a random person's face. looking back it seems obvious that was because I only identified with my reflection inasmuch as it was practical to do so, in order to brush my teeth or comb my hair or some such.

but about a week after I started HRT, I was washing my hands and caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror. It was a positive experience. subtly. this grabbed my attention immediately because before it was something that simply WAS, and now was something kind of positive.

the realization sinking in was a great feeling.
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Obfuskatie

I'm glad to hear that, marikvulpina.  And zukhlo, you look rather handsome in your profile pic, so I wouldn't worry too much about more photos.

I recently saw the first episode of Quantum Leap where Sam gets stuck in a young woman's body.  It reminded me of how much I felt like I had an inner personae that didn't match my reflection as a kid when I originally saw the episode.  As it was presented in the TV show, Sam would see the other persons face in the mirror,  and everyone he interacted with would relate to him as the other person.  Looking back on it, that episode seems to personify  much of the transmale-experience.  Anyway, I loved that show almost as much as I loved Magnum PI when I was around 11.


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Felix

I don't know how much of it is upbringing or social stuff, but I've always felt ugly. Transition helped that a lot, like I feel like it's okay to be an ugly guy in a way that it is never okay for a girl to be ugly.

I understand that perceptions are subjective and all that.

For what it's worth I always felt beautiful looking in a mirror when I wasn't thinking about what other people might see.
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