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How do you know for sure if you are passing?

Started by androgynouspainter26, February 02, 2015, 09:48:46 PM

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androgynouspainter26

Eh.  I like the androgynous look, but it is attracting too much of the wrong attention.  I am ready to move past it-I'd like to look female, first and foremost, because that's what I am-albiet a queer one.
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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Evelyn K

To look more female I'd grow your hair out, color your hair something natural, and give yourself say 6 months to grow using extensions on other spots for awhile if you have to. Your skin is soft I don't see any "hair used to be there" areas you look really soft. Browse that tumblr I think you'll find some pretty hot ideas on what to do with your look and features.

And some other stuff here
http://shewasatomboy.tumblr.com/archive/

You got this AP. Take care. :)
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Dread_Faery

I think you're passing already, certainly from your profile pic I see a queer woman, but society tends to read queer women as masculine and I think that might be what you're picking up on. It could explain why you feel you aren't passing, but why people are surprised when you tell them.

I think you and I are quite similar, and I know I certainly went through a period of hard femme, girly-girl aesthetic because it meant I wasn't read as masculine - even though in the end I got fed up of being read as cishet and have now queered up my presentation into something I just wouldn't have had the assurance to do 5 years ago.

It's not like confidence, but rather a case of knowing myself, and it was reinforced by the world to the point where I don't question it anymore and stopped caring about passing or not. It's like a jedi mind trick, the less you think about it, the more it happens. And when people do question it - because it totally happens, even to cis girls - you're a hell of a lot calmer and able to judge whether you want to disclose or make a joke of it. Last time it was intrusive and rude I was just like "Give me a moment, I'll check - Nope, got tits and a c**t, definitely a girl" person asking inappropriate questions was embarrassed and harangued by other members of the group for being rude.
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barbie

Just do it.
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barbie

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on February 08, 2015, 07:20:15 PM
Eh.  I like the androgynous look, but it is attracting too much of the wrong attention.  I am ready to move past it-I'd like to look female, first and foremost, because that's what I am-albiet a queer one.

My friends and colleagues like me for what I do and talk, not for what I look like.

Regarding strangers in the street, you may wear rather plain clothes and keep a rather unnoticeable hair style. The purple hair will easily attract unsolicited attention.

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Dahlia

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on February 02, 2015, 09:48:46 PM

I know a few people who tell me how they pass so well, but in actuality are being read CONSTANTLY, and are just oblivious. 


Yes, happens a lot, this kind of selfdelusion. Thank god you know them in 3d because this kind of 'I pass so well, I'm 100% stealth' whereas they don't pass at all is really rampant on MTF forums.
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Susan

Quote from: Dahlia on February 10, 2015, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on February 02, 2015, 09:48:46 PM

I know a few people who tell me how they pass so well, but in actuality are being read CONSTANTLY, and are just oblivious. 


Yes, happens a lot, this kind of selfdelusion. Thank god you know them in 3d because this kind of 'I pass so well, I'm 100% stealth' whereas they don't pass at all is really rampant on MTF forums.

If someone passes or not is their personal business, and no one elses. End of story. I don't want to see posts like this on this forum again.
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April_TO

I agree with Susan. Be who you want to be. Live and let live maybe it be the person is delusional or not.
Goodness, a lot of hatred is already geared toward us - we don't need hate in our community.

Just saying,

Love,

April
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: Ms Grace on February 03, 2015, 05:30:09 AM
I think the answer is you never really know for sure... and even if you do pass people might work it out one way or another. As the general populace come to realise that trans people are not the broad stereotypes they believed us to be then they come to know what the traits are that give us away. If someone already knows a few trans people they are going to work it out pretty quickly in most cases.
But, thankfully, if that person is lucky enough to know a few trans people, odds are, they're an ally.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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Dee Marshall



Quote from: ImagineKate on February 03, 2015, 03:21:41 PM
...Even up where I live which is kind of a pretty old fashioned not really progressive area even though we are just barely in the NYC metro area.

This leads me to suspect we might be neighbors. PM me if you're curious.

April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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Dee Marshall



Quote from: Jill F on February 04, 2015, 09:04:24 PM
Sometimes people are speechless when I tell them I'm trans now, and they can't all be great actors and liars, right?
Well, you do live in LA. ;)

April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on February 06, 2015, 12:14:38 PM
I was afraid you'd say that, since I'm never going to be able to afford ffs.
If I were you I wouldn't sweat it. You look enough like my sister to be my niece. In fact, one of her daughters is a tall girl with a deep voice and quite lovely.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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calicarly

I don't think Dahlia means bad by her comment, and many of times I appreciate her straight up comments more than others but, here's the thing Dahlia: yes, you're right there might be some self delusion, etc, but here's the thing, many of them have just started their transitions, they might feel high on life and on cloud 9 from all the relief they feel having just started their transition. Whatever the reason, they're happy, and they're sharing it with others. Have you ever heard the term ignorance is bliss? In this case I would argue that what Susan means is, who are any of us, to knock anyone else down from their happiness? I would much rather a not too passable trans lady think she does pass (particularly If she passes enough that she's not being disrespected by others).than her be miserable and depressed in the reality of not passing so well. It's about compassion and wanting others to have their little share of happiness too.

Androgynouspainter: I am no psychologist, but you seem depressed, like your mental state needs stabilising first, taking care of that before worrying about passing or not might be a good idea, also, often our moods reflect the people we surround ourselves with. Do away with negative friends and family... Our natural state is not what is being reflected in your posts, and fighting other people's posts to bring them to think like you isn't going to help you or them. It's about bringing each other up hun. Also, I don't see the obsession with passing when your avatar says genderqueer, your name is androgynous. Are you actually mtf to have this focus on passing? Or have your feelings towards binary gender standards changed and now you want to belong in the binary world? These are things maybe you should clarify in your mind. And then work from there. But the assumption that you're never going to pass is, I believe, wrong and coming from a very depressed and negative stand point.

Regardless . Good luck sweetie . And tight hugs! Xo
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serenityfaith

Quote from: Ms Grace on February 03, 2015, 02:30:39 AM
If people stare at me (which doesn't happen that often) I presume it's because I'm tall and they're thinking "gee, that woman is tall" - not "that tall man is pretending to be a woman".  :D

I've said it many, many, many times - passing is not just about how you look anyway. It's about presentation (how you dress, your hair, etc) and confidence. For some reason people can really sense when someone is nervous, it really draws their attention.

I COMPLETELY AGREE. How you feel about yourself on the inside shines out. Confidence and how you carry yourself are what ppl notice upon first glance. If you're comfortable being you you're indestructible. When your not you become vulnerable, and ppl sense that and hate to say it but exploit that. All the best wishes love, stay strong, stay fierce, and own every room you walk into!!
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April_TO

Passing for me cannot be absolute unless you carry a crystal ball in front of you and you can read peoples mind.
I am slowly giving up my obsession about how people think of me and just go on with my life.
I had my lash extensions done today and brow done too and all of the women that works there are addressing me as babe or sweetheart.
Will I consider that passing or they are just being nice to me? I take both.

Just live your life and be proud of who you are :)

Hugs

April
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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LizMarie

You can never ever know with certainty that you are passing unless you ask and that will out you.

Just let it go. If people accept you, accept that. If a guy flirts with you, accept that. If a girl flirts with you, accept that too. If you are naturally accepted into women's circles of conversation, that's a good indicator people are seeing you as a woman.

It's taking me time, but many of the looks I thought were "look at the guy in the dress" are, according to my cisgender girlfriends far more likely to be "she's pretty good looking". And one way I've learned to assess those looks is to look back, make eye contact and smile, then glance away, then glance back discretely and see how he reacts. If he smiles back, or as has occurred in several cases, smiled at me then said something to a male companion, still looking towards me, then it's probably a complimentary look.

With women I simply don't get negative looks at all so I assume I'm fine with other women.
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Mariah

Most of the time you don't know except for those times when your gendered correctly and even then you can't be 100 percent sure because some due their utmost best to be respectful and polite.
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androgynouspainter26

Calicarly,

I am MtF; I also identify as genderqueer, but that has a lot more to do with my beliefs about the subject of gender, and does not influence my presentation in any way.  I don't "believe" in binary gender per se, but we do live in a binary world, and regardless of what I want to do wrt my presentation, passing is something you just need to do if you're going to be treated fairly in the world.  I'm tired of everyone seeing me as a trans woman, because when they do I am obligated to see myself the same way.  My assumption is not wrong.  I'm two years on HRT already-I'm beginning to believe my fate is sealed.  Idk-you just think things are going to be different, and then-they aren't.  I know I do get looks, and nobody, in my life, has ever flirted with me, so...I guess I don't.  What else is there to change, is I guess the only question I have left?  And when I can't answer that, perhaps it's time to consider going back.  Yeah, I'm depressed, but not without reason.  If your transition had failed, you would feel the same way.

Thanks for the advice-it means a lot.
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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RosieD

Andro, I don't know you and I don't know how you behave so please understand that I am not asking by way of having a go but...Do you give people the space, opportunity and trust to allow them to flirt with you?

Rosie
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