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Catastrophic set back today

Started by pollypagan, February 24, 2015, 07:55:05 AM

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pollypagan

I am just back from clothes shopping cut short in a destructive moment. Before I left I had made a special effort with my hair and make up and was wearing obvious and apparent jewellery and a top that no man would wear; a top slightly rounded by breast development. I walked towards the changing rooms, smiled at the woman in attendance and made my way left to the women's section.
She called me back and said, "You are going the wrong way, the male changing rooms are that way."

That has just really hammered home a cruel truth. She didn't just direct me, she re-directed me. I'm in month 20 of hrt so there will be little further change. This was an impartial honest woman with no malicious intent. I know my friends gush oh you look great and the likes but this was an unprejudiced observer. No way back, no way forward. I'm supposed to be meeting up with two friends for ladies do lunch/ cocktails in Glasgow's trendy haunts. We have already arranged that I don't have to open my ->-bleeped-<-ty male mouth to talk to waiters but I really just want to cancel; really cancel.
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Eveline

Honey, I hope you went out with your friends and had a good time!

Don't give that rude woman any power over how you feel about yourself.
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LordKAT

It is only as catastrophic as you let it be. Yes, it hurts. It is hard to correct people who think they are correcting you, but are not.  Misgendering happens to cis people as well.  I have a friend whose wife can grow a better beard than I can, it doesn't change who she is but has given her some hassles, and she is cis.

20 months is not the limit for changes. Some changes will continue to happen for years.

Please don't cancel with your friends, your lunch will likely help show you some positive vibes and bring you out of this low spot this event has brought you to.
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suzifrommd

I had a day like that when I was first presenting. (You can read about it here). I got past it. I pass nearly everywhere, now.

Does this help?
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Muffinheart

If possible, and I know this is hard,but replace "no way back, no way forward" with:
One small step back, two giant steps forward.
Take this experience as it is, just a one time thing. Don't let it deter you, but let it make you stronger.

When I first came out, I remember sitting in my car in the parking lot of the grocery store. I meditated, prayed for strength to get me through shopping. I had to conquer this fear, be damned what anyone thought, if someone stared, I smiled back. And each and every time out, I grow stronger and stronger.

You wil get over this, I know it.

:)
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April Lee

Hon, I am so sorry you had that experience. I hope you decided to go out anyway. I long ago concluded that I wouldn't ever completely pass in 3 dimensions. While I can maintain a female voice for a period of time in a monologue, I always seem to drop into a male one when having to talk louder in conversations, and I am 6'8" in the heels I wear. People who meet me will always suspect that I have a Y chromosome. But I actually have come to thrive in that. I am a woman, but I am also transgendered. I am proud of both because that is who I am. I am going to live authentically regardless of what anybody thinks.

Hon, when people treat you badly, just smile and let joy bubble out of you like champagne. Be who you really are, regardless of what others think. To paraphrase the movie "Hedwig and the Angry Inch": If they deny you, they doom themselves, not you.   
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JoanneB

I like to look upon instances such as yours as a test. Not the sort that you presented. The "Do I pass as fem" test. No. A test of what is more then likely to occur throughout your life. We all have had encounters with being clocked, or maybe clocked. At 6ft tall, thin and somewhat dressy girlie girl in a land full of short, dumpy, given up on being femmy long ago women I stand out on many levels.

First part of this test is How it affected you. Quite negatively I would say. Believe me I have a ton of self esteem issues. I had even more before I started this journey. You gave that woman all the power in that situation and let your negative feelings about yourself guide your actions.

An alternate response would have been to while you reach down inside yourself for the best female voice you've been working hard at, as you hold up for her to see the WOMEN's clothing and say. "Nope" and keep moving... Like you belong there and have done this hundreds of times in the past (dreams count). Sure, there may have been tells about you. But guys always tend to wonder around aimlessly lost and make the first turn that looks right. SHe was trying to keep some body from making an inadvertent wrong turn. Nothing personal... yet.  I doubt you were in a store with an open changing area, rather all private stalls. I doubt the encounter would have continued beyond an embarrassed smile or apology by her. (BTW - It may pay to check to see what the store policy is concerning trans people and changing rooms.)

Remember 99% of passing is attitude.

Look back to the state you were in 20 months ago. I'm sure you are far happier now being you. Try not to let people take that away from you. It is Yours. You Worked HARD for this.
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suzifrommd

Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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ImagineKate

Polly,

Let me just say that I feel your pain. I really do. I have never been re-directed in such a manner, but I have been misgendered. That said, I learned to roll with it and I have even started correcting people. That's not ideal of course as I want to pass, but it gets me to where I want to go.

Secondly, maybe it's time to start thinking of ignoring the naysayers and people who want to screw with your life.

A BIG HUG for you girl...
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pollypagan

What a wonderful clan of people you are. Time has passed. I went for a long walk alone in the freezing Scottish weather. I will get through this. Self pity? It has no purpose but still it can often better me. Just to try and paint the scene though. I thought I was looking my best and combining it also with jaunty self confidence. That is what hit me so hard. I belted the big guy with my best shot and he didn't fall down. Anyway, I will still be going where Glasgow's beautiful people hang out with my two lovely friends. I have to re-emphasize though, the woman in the shop was not in any way trying to be nasty and when I turned to her with a face that must clearly have looked like it wanted to cry she was quick to say, "Oh sorry on you go." (and didn't have security waiting for me on the way out.)
Thank you again all of you for taking time to reply. Feel kind of selfish and silly now actually. xx
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Beth Andrea

I rather enjoy it when someone misgenders me:

"...And thank you, sir!"

*cold stare*

"Would a man wear this blouse? Would a man wear this makeup? Would a man have this name *holding up debit card, Beth --- *?"

"Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't--"

"You're working with customers. Its your responsibility to look at and understand where the customer's needs are."

Words to that effect, situation dependent.

:)

Self-confidence and self-acceptance no matter if passing or not = our superpower!
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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LordKAT

You are not selfish or silly for seeking support doing one of the scariest things that go with transition. That is exactly what we are here for.  None of us walk alone when we have each other, even if it is only in this place.
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Ms Grace

Hugs. I agree with LordKAT, it is only catastrophic if you let it be. I had my fair share of those moments when I tried transition the first time and I know how devestating they can be. After I'd finished bawling my eyes out what I should have done was worked out what it was that maybe "gave me away" change it (or not) and get back right out there and try again - sadly instead of taking it as a little bump in the road I added the experience to the minus column for reasons to detransition which is what I ended up doing.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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ImagineKate

I really do need my voice, because nothing will turn people red faced like this:

"Sir may I help you?"

Me in a fem voice: "sir? I beg your pardon???"
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lilredneckgirl

next  time,  just  look  at HER ,  and  say,  "  NO  SIR,  im  in  the  right  room". 
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Auroramarianna

Quote from: JoanneB on February 24, 2015, 10:53:04 AM
Remember 99% of passing is attitude.

Sorry to disagree, but passing is not about attitude. I believe it's harmful to say it is. Cis-girls don't need confidence to "pass", so why would this be different for a trans girl? Confidence might work if said girl is presenting more or less androgynous but on the femme side, and then, yes, confidence will work to her favor as she'll give less reason to be stared at and won't be as awkward, so, sure, she may pass better than if she felt all uneasy and uncomfortable and clearly nervous as people would look at her to figure out what's wrong. But that's only stance where I believe it helps.

Passing is really about how one looks and sounds. No matter how much we would like it to be about attitude. Then, sure, every trans woman would pass because we simply have the courage to present female. But this isn't true and stats on violence against trans women prove this. Passing is important if you want to blend in. Really, if you do your makeup flawlessly, removed the beard shadow, have given enough time for HRT to do its magic, trained your voice or have a high voice naturally (I do and never trained it), you will most likely pass and these steps will help far more than confidence. In fact, it helps you more to get real here and not delude yourself about your passability as that could you get in danger.

BTW... to the OP, wow, she was really bitchy and mean. Some people are just ignorant about trans issues. Have you got any clue what could have got you clocked? Sometimes it's as simple as the way you move or a beard shadow, or just your facial expression. Did you do your makeup? Anyway, I'm so sorry and that must suck so much given that you're on HRT for long, but maybe if you do something real simple, it will make all the difference. Have you considered FFS?
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mmmmm

I agree with Auroramarianna... Waaay to many people say how it's all about confidence and attitude. No it's not. It's 80% about how you look, and 20% about the voice. Let's be honest, who is trying to fool who? Voice is important, but it's really mostly all about how we look. Even if your voice is 100% perfect, and your looks still get you clocked, you will only pass over the telephone. People are nice, well obviously not all, but a lot of people are nice, and they see what you mean by your overall presentation, and they will use correct pronouns and everything. But that doesn't mean you "pass", it only means that they observe the right things, and that they are nice people. Sometimes they don't really observe that well, and sadly situations like this happen. If you got the looks right, to the point of unclockable, even the voice doesn't really matter anymore (think of cis women with baritone deep voices), and much more important thing happens, confidence is there and it's natural, not worked-on built confidence. Confidence and right attitude in what? I could be wrong, but I think most of us aim to look and present as cis-women... well at least for me it's hard to understand those who do their best to look like trans women (I can only think of certain kind of workers and/or adult type entertainment presenters here..). So we do out best to blend ourself in with the rest of women. If you know you don't blend in exactly perfect, how would having better attitude seem to help there? And how is it really possible to be confident that you blend-in and look cis to everybody, when you really know that you don't (yet). And why would convincing youself otherwise, and having different attitude help here, if other people still read you (clock you) like they do regardless of any of this. Blending in is what most of us want. And you don't get to that with just the right attitude. Surgery can help, and it can even be like a miracle, but it's still a lot about the work and time we put into our apperance, to change the things we can change. And save all the attitude for here, as there are things we can't change and noone else can help us change them... and having the right attitude about those kind things is where it really makes all the difference.

polypagan, changes due to HRT don't stop happening after 20 months. Early changes are easier to notice, easier to compare. Later they seem to happen more slowly, and we usually don't notice them so dramatically like we did our first breast buds, and first real growth spurt, or dramatic skin change, or facial softening. But feminization process doesn't just stop there. How much will more time on HRT be able to help you on it's own, is what you do need to think about. Some things will not be affected, and some of those things are quite important to how others see us. I have a feeling some people here on this forum regard surgery as something bad, almost as something evil, something they would never ever do, despite anything. I only see it as a help. Could be completelly unnecessary help to some (some really don't need it..), but could also be a very good helpful thing for others, which might result in slight or dramatic difference to how other people read and see us. Anyway, don't let this kind of misgendering bring you down, it's not worth it. I hope you're over it by now.
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April_TO

I'm taking a different approach in this matter. I understand that most of us do want to pass and blend in and I would be a hypocrite to deny that whenever I get those instances where I don't even make any effort and yet I pass it brings music to my ears. However, I noticed that being passable over happiness defeats the whole purpose of transition. We transition because we need it. We transition for US not for Blow Joe.

I understand that we don't live in a bubble. However with the right attitude, an age appropriate clothing and make up, you walk with dignity and confidence (confidence demands respect) then everything else is just an add on.

I always tell myself "it's 2015 - being Trans is in"

If happiness for you is passing, by all means practice (rinse and repeat).

Love,

April


Nothing ventured nothing gained
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April Lee

I am going to say something here that is probably something not very PC, and might even get some here upset at me. We have all run into situations where people have us figured out and appear to not approve. I believe that it is far better to let people get to know us by having a good attitude and humor, then through confrontation with anger. I want to win them over by letting them see my joy and happiness. I have learned how to do something in tense situations that I call "queening it up". When people appear to get tense, or even angry, I become a comedian. I even carry with me some props to make that happen. When somebody acts badly, I reach into my handbag and pull out an eye patch and put it on. I then say, "Excuse me, I know I look ridiculous, but it is pirate night at the club I go to". I have learned how to do that pretty well now, and people invariably burst out laughing. That often breaks the ice. Some here might say that I have depreciated myself by doing that, but I don't ever take myself that seriously. And it creates an opportunity for somebody to see me in a different light.
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April_TO

Love it - By the way, you have a pretty name :)

xoxo

April

Quote from: April Lee on February 26, 2015, 09:28:49 AM
I am going to say something here that is probably something not very PC, and might even get some here upset at me. We have all run into situations where people have us figured out and appear to not approve. I believe that it is far better to let people get to know us by having a good attitude and humor, then through confrontation with anger. I want to win them over by letting them see my joy and happiness. I have learned how to do something in tense situations that I call "queening it up". When people appear to get tense, or even angry, I become a comedian. I even carry with me some props to make that happen. When somebody acts badly, I reach into my handbag and pull out an eye patch and put it on. I then say, "Excuse me, I know I look ridiculous, but it is pirate night at the club I go to". I have learned how to do that pretty well now, and people invariably burst out laughing. That often breaks the ice. Some here might say that I have depreciated myself by doing that, but I don't ever take myself that seriously. And it creates an opportunity for somebody to see me in a different light.
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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