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As a collective, are we any good at outreach?

Started by Julia-Madrid, February 26, 2015, 12:10:52 PM

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Dee Marshall

We have more than enough martyrs already. Outreach is living, not dying. I had intended to be entirely open, but just now I'm more than a little frightened. I hope I get over that soon.

One of my earliest posts included "Dee is wise and brave and kind."

Time to remind myself of that. I was born a woman, I'll die a woman, whether I look like one or not. I'm proud of myself, I'm proud of my struggles, I'm proud to be trans.

Whew! Much better.

From Independence Day:

"...will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. ..."We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day! "

Nuts! Made myself cry.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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ImagineKate

I think we've definitely made a lot of progress. Today we are talking about OITNB and Transparent where trans women are highlighted positively and our struggles are being documented. Even a few years ago we had Ugly Betty where Alexis Meade was portrayed more or less as a normal character, but she did have a few issues (such as her son which she has pre transition). Compare that to years ago when we were talking about Mrs Doubtfire. Part of it is the whole LGBT movement but the other part of it is transgender people living just normal lives. Sure, you still have a few who make it into a circus show (such as the former athlete whose name will not be mentioned) but for the most part, trans people are gaining positive press.

One more telling thing is that the negative press about trans people seems to be about oppression against us, such as Leelah Alcorn's suicide.

Another thing is that we now have prominent trans women who lived stealth living out in the open - Lynn Conway and Janet Mock, for example.

As for younger transitioners, the scenario that Devlyn envisioned happens, but you also see where their ignorant parents send them to bible camp to attempt to "cure" them, or even worse, engage in violence against them. So it's not easy either way but once the parental hurdle is gone, transition is a breeze.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Zumbagirl on February 27, 2015, 09:55:40 AM
Why do we have to be a collective??

One voice is easy to drown out. A hundred thousand voices, not so much.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Zumbagirl

As long as I'm not included as part of the collective. I did my thing and now I just want to live my life in peace. I just don't want to forced to pick a side.
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Miharu Barbie

Quote from: Zumbagirl on February 27, 2015, 09:55:40 AM
Why do we have to be a collective??

I suppose that the simple answer to your question is that we are a collective because we share common interests.  It's easy to overlook this reality because societal attitudes towards us have softened over the years.  It's easy to fool ourselves into believing that we aren't affected as individuals by the shifting attitudes and laws of decades gone by, and that we therefore stand alone and do not need anything from anyone.

When I first came out as a trans woman in 1984, a group of men attempted to kill me and I had to flee for my life because I could not get anyone in law enforcement to take me seriously in Central Texas at that time.  In 1985 I spent one year on hormones; you would not believe how difficult it was to find a doctor willing to prescribe the medication to me back then.  I had to leave the state of Texas and move to California just to find a doctor willing to treat me.  When I finally went full time in 1998, it was easier to get my hands on estrogen than it had been in 1985, but I still found myself dealing with a crooked doctor who basically sold me prescriptions without any exams or follow up care.

In 2015 everything has changed for the better.  For us all.  Collectively.

If in 2020 malpractice insurance carriers were to decide that surgeons who perform GRS procedures will no longer be able to get coverage, who will stand up for us?  If the FDA were to decide that estrogen and testosterone medications are no longer approved for transgender therapy purposes, who will stand up for us?  If national identity cards ever become a requirement and it was decided that the gender marker may never be altered, who will stand up for us?

I realize that these examples are far-fetched.  (Though perhaps not so very far removed from the change in availability of services to trans people that I myself have witnessed over the past 35 years.)  I'm really just trying to illustrate a point.  That point being that we are a collective because the cultural and legal changes that have made life easier for all trans people over the past several decades affect us all for good or ill, even as future changes to come may very well affect us all for good or ill.  And that's what makes us a collective.

At least, I think it does.
FEAR IS NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!


HRT:                         June 1998
Full Time For Good:     November 1998
Never Looking Back:  Now!
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Tysilio

QuoteOne voice is easy to drown out. A hundred thousand voices, not so much.

Exactly. There is, or rather used to be, this rather quaint concept called "solidarity." In a nutshell, it's the idea that there is strength in numbers for people who haven't much power as individuals, and that because our oppression gives us so much in common, we ought not to let our differences drive us apart.

The folks in power know this very well, which is why the strategy of "divide and conquer" has been effective throughout modern history. It's also very hard to put solidarity into practice because ego and the general level of rage against the system makes it satisfying, in the sort term, to attack each other, and the people who tend to be attacked from within tend to be the ones who are visibly accomplishing things -- and are seen as claiming too much power, being elitists, and so on.

Look how much time we spend arguing among ourselves when we could be coming up with concrete plans for action.
Never bring an umbrella to a coyote fight.
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ImagineKate

BTW, apologies if I left out trans men and non-binary in my last post.

Unfortunately I haven't really seen the same sort of thing for trans men, which is kind of disappointing.

And non-binary tends to be treated badly outside the genderqueer community, which is pretty sad.
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Julia-Madrid

Zumbagirl, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to make the point you did. I considered making it as part of the argument in my introductory post, but decided against it.

And the point is entirely valid.  Gay people are generally gay for life (let's make this simplification for now), and hence I postulate that for many the struggle continues forever.  But we are in transition, and when we reach our goal (another simplification) we simply want to disappear and live our lives in our target gender.  As such, it seems to me that standard bearers and continuity are near impossible to attain, because a "successful" transgender person becomes invisible once he or she has transitioned.  I  myself have the "educate or disappear" dilemma: I could vanish right now, quite successfully, but I feel a need to remain visible and contribute to reducing ignorance of transgender issues. 
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Devlyn

Julia, just a gentle reminder that most transgender people are not transitioning. Transsexuals are only a small portion of the transgender landscape.

Hugs, Devlyn
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ThePhoenix

Late 30s here.  I've been in and around trans* communities in some form or fashion off and on for about 15-20 years.

I think it would be inappropriate for me to comment on the site as to its outreach.  I really don't even know how to begin thinking about an answer to the question because I'm not sure how to apply the concept of outreach to this site.

As to trans* people as a whole, I think we are like any group of people.  Some of us are great at outreach.  Some stink at it. 

In the ordinary-person-not-doing-any-sort-of-work-on-the-issue part of the community, I don't think any outreach happens.  Those individuals tend to--for very good reason--live by hiding in plain sight.  Those who do not pass also seem to be very hidden and secretive.  There are some interesting stats on the degree to which many trans* people stay holed up in their homes and just don't go anywhere for fear of harassment.

One might suspect that such persons are doing no outreach at all.  And there's a lot of truth to that.  But it's not quite zero.  Those individuals can still do things like provide an insightful comment about an article on the Internet or be a "knowledgeable ally" in the workplace.  You'd be amazed at how often I comment on advocate.com, for example.  And I always seem to get two or three responses from trans* people thanKing me for being such a great ally.  Likewise, when I educate people face to face, I do so from a position of great knowledge, but using the pronoun "they" instead of "we."  (In fairness, I sometimes use "they" for other collectives to which I belong too).  So far I have not had a problem with that approach outing me.  Some other people who aren't out do that too.  Some are too scared.  Those who do those little things are contributing to outreach in small ways.  And small ways matter.

Then there is our activist community.  I reject the idea that everyone has any duty to be out or to be educating the public.  Doing that is my job and the job of others who have taken on that activist role.  Not the job of John or Jane Doe trans* person on the street.

Where I live, the two major "names" in trans* activism are myself and Dana Beyer, whom you may know of.  I'm known to some as the anti-Dana because of how polar opposite we are.  When we do outreach and deal with the public, we are very radically different in how we do it.  But is one of us "better" at outreach?  I doubt it.  Dana will educate you about one thing and I'll educate you about something totally different.  But whichever one of us you meet, you're going to come away understanding more, being less ignorant, and being less hostile to trans* people. 

I think the portion of our population that spends time going out and educating is actually pretty good at it by and large.  Like Dana and me, their approaches may be totally opposite from one another, but there are a lot of them that really work.  But the number of people doing this is far too small to meet the need for education.  That's not a sign of being bad at outreach.  It's a sign of how much work needs doing and how few are willing to do it.  But that's normal in a movement, especially one as young as the trans* movement. 

So if there are any aspiring activists among our group, they should know that I do take apprentices and if you come hang and work with me, you will end up in interesting places.  So get in touch if you're local and I will put you to work. :)
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Zumbagirl

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on February 27, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
Zumbagirl, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to make the point you did. I considered making it as part of the argument in my introductory post, but decided against it.

And the point is entirely valid.  Gay people are generally gay for life (let's make this simplification for now), and hence I postulate that for many the struggle continues forever.  But we are in transition, and when we reach our goal (another simplification) we simply want to disappear and live our lives in our target gender.  As such, it seems to me that standard bearers and continuity are near impossible to attain, because a "successful" transgender person becomes invisible once he or she has transitioned.  I  myself have the "educate or disappear" dilemma: I could vanish right now, quite successfully, but I feel a need to remain visible and contribute to reducing ignorance of transgender issues.

What can you hope to accomplish by educating though? Educate whom? about what? You can only tell the story of what it was like to have both  boy bits and girl bits so many times until it's not just worth rehashing. The rest of the human species obsesses about genitals. Getting a message out when all anyone wants to talk about is SRS isn't educating, it's just an exercise in frustration. Plus once words are said, they can never be un-"said". What I try to tell people is to try disappearing first. If fitting in with your new sex isn't good enough then come forward and be counted. But realize this. Your life and experience will be invalidated by many many people by being out. I made my transition to right a wrong of my life, not to serve as an educational puppet. I wanted to live in the world with the rest of female-kind and I do.
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Muffinheart

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on February 27, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
  I  myself have the "educate or disappear" dilemma: I could vanish right now, quite successfully, but I feel a need to remain visible and contribute to reducing ignorance of transgender issues.

I wonder this as well, why am I here on this site? First six years of my transition, I lived relatively quietly and without issue. But there is a desire to maybe share experiences.
My only disappointment with this site is when you do mention a life experience, it is shot down. I feel the need to preface comments with "this is my experience..."
I've been on Susan's for about a month, and unsure how long I'll stay, but I feel there is one nugget of wisdom to impart. Oh hell, what do I know....I'm just a 50 year old who figured it out ;)
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Zumbagirl on March 01, 2015, 06:33:25 AM
What can you hope to accomplish by educating though? Educate whom? about what?

Do you think most people know that transgender people are wired to do what we do? That we're not just doing this for thrills, like snowboarders or skydivers? That most people really understand what gender dysphoria is and how it motivates us? That in all other ways we are normal, intelligent competent people?

If people don't know these things, we're going to be treated accordingly. Laws will be made accordingly and social norms will develop accordingly.

If people don't understand us, that even those that try to provide support will get it wrong.

And unless we educate people, there is no chance they will understand us.

Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Zumbagirl

Quote from: suzifrommd on March 01, 2015, 08:52:41 AM
Do you think most people know that transgender people are wired to do what we do? That we're not just doing this for thrills, like snowboarders or skydivers? That most people really understand what gender dysphoria is and how it motivates us? That in all other ways we are normal, intelligent competent people?

If people don't know these things, we're going to be treated accordingly. Laws will be made accordingly and social norms will develop accordingly.

If people don't understand us, that even those that try to provide support will get it wrong.

And unless we educate people, there is no chance they will understand us.

What exactly do you want to say though? If you are looking for society to validate our own self-perception is may take a long long time, perhaps never. I know if it's frustrating to me to see people invalidate our very existence and say we are just mental cases, and yet I am supposed to accept their silly religious arguments over how many angels fit on the head of a pin. We live in one damn crazy world and some times I do question just exactly how many steps of evolution we really are from chimpanzees.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Zumbagirl on March 01, 2015, 09:44:28 AM
What exactly do you want to say though?

I think laws, policies, and social norms would be a lot kinder to us if the people constructing them (including voters, customers, etc.) understood a few basic facts about us:

Quote from: suzifrommd on February 26, 2015, 12:30:22 PM
Everyone in the world should understand the following:
* Being transgender is not a choice. It is biologically wired, probably before birth.
* It is painful and upsetting to live as the opposite gender.
* Being transgender typically doesn't go away if ignored. In many cases, it gets worse.
* No one has ever come up with a way other than transitioning, to consistently make transgender people comfortable with their gender identities.
* Transgender people are not psychologically disordered. Most are competent and intelligent, valuable as workplace professionals and family members.
* Jokes about transgender people or gender transition are offensive.
* Genital surgery is not a requirement or necessary component of gender transition. Those who do it don't "become" a man or women. It's done to make peace with our bodies.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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gennee

I'm 66. Came out as a crossdresser nearly ten years ago. A short time later, I discovered that I am transgender. Outreach is something that is not everybody's strength and no one should be forced to do something that they choose not to do.

There was a time when outreach was practically non-existent for trans people. It's gotten better and more needs to be done. I'm optimistic because I've seen numerous changes for the better in my ten years of being out. I have spoken to groups on a few occasions. I have pointed out that there are many expressions of gender. That's what helped me during my questioning phase. Second point I made is that not every transgender person wants to transition. People who are non trans want to understand but they are jumped on because they make a mistake on a name then their viewpoint of us is tainted.

It does take time and the effort needs to be continued. I live life not as a victim but as someone who loves being who she is.

Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

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Jayne

Quote from: Muffinheart on March 01, 2015, 07:38:06 AM
I've been on Susan's for about a month, and unsure how long I'll stay, but I feel there is one nugget of wisdom to impart. Oh hell, what do I know....I'm just a 50 year old who figured it out ;)

Two points,  please stay around and 50!! Are you for serious. You don't look anywhere near that milestone
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Muffinheart

Quote from: Jayne on March 01, 2015, 02:52:58 PM
Two points,  please stay around and 50!! Are you for serious. You don't look anywhere near that milestone

Lol...Yep...turned 50 two weeks ago. Already got my ball of yarn, cup of tea, and saying "I rememebr when I was young" a lot lol ;)

And ty, very kind of you to say
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Devlyn

Quote from: Muffinheart on March 01, 2015, 03:26:35 PM
Lol...Yep...turned 50 two weeks ago. Already got my ball of yarn, cup of tea, and saying "I rememebr when I was young" a lot lol ;)

And ty, very kind of you to say

If you're anything like me you'll take great satisfaction in warning strangers, children, and wild animals away from the asparagus patch! :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn
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Jayne

Quote from: suzifrommd on March 01, 2015, 08:52:41 AM

And unless we educate people, there is no chance they will understand us.

This +2 (my dog also agrees)

Not everybody wants the role or responsibility of educating the world around them and I'm fine with that, for what it's worth I believe in the motto "if you don't create the world you want to live in then others will do it for you"
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