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FACEBOOK IS CRACKING DOWN

Started by serenityfaith, March 01, 2015, 10:33:29 PM

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Alice (nym)

I don't have a FB account... this is the first time to try and set one up. I was a bit shocked that it managed to suggest a load of friends from my wife to my sister... based on what?  I was using a new e-mail address with protonmail. So the only thing I can think of is that they are suggesting people based on my ip address from my wife's account.

Well I am not fully out yet. I won't do that until after my first appointment with the therapist - hopefully sometime next year by the time I get to the top of the waiting list - at least I am in the system now - so yes, the alphabet soup will probably now know, although I don't think they monitor my activity as closely as they used to. But I am obviously now out with the people I met at the local trans group, my wife, and my GP.
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CarlyMcx

Here's a tip for those of you who are still partly or fully in the closet:

I kept my old Facebook account in my dead name because I am still not out to my in laws in the Philippines.  They are not on Facebook but my wife has lots of cousins and friends over there who are, so I have to be careful on Facebook.

So what I did was I set up a professional Facebook page listing myself as an author (I have two books up on Kindle).  I use that for all my posts as me.  If someone does not know about your page the only way they will find it is by being invited to "like" it.  I cannot comment on posts as Carly anywhere but on my own Carly page, but it serves as an outlet for all my daily activities as Carly.  It lets me make posts and put up photos just like any other Facebook account.

Hugs, Carly
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Chloe

Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 18, 2018, 03:26:54 PMI was using a new e-mail address with protonmail.

Ah .  ;D I see that I don't see! Surely you have something to hide (just echoing what they're probably thinking) Carly seems onto the right idea and no doubt FaceBook is tracking IP's !
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Devlyn

Yeah, FB is cracking down....they want us to follow the same rules as everyone else. I can only speak for myself, but I want equal rights, not extra rights.
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Alice (nym)

Quote from: Devlyn on October 19, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
Yeah, FB is cracking down....they want us to follow the same rules as everyone else. I can only speak for myself, but I want equal rights, not extra rights.

I think the argument is a lot more complex than that. Using that argument can result in some nasty discrimination when used by the wrong people. Some times in order to achieve equal opportunity and equal respect... extra is needed (especially for the disabled).
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Devlyn

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Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 19, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
I think the argument is a lot more complex than that. Using that argument can result in some nasty discrimination when used by the wrong people. Some times in order to achieve equal opportunity and equal respect... extra is needed (especially for the disabled).

Facebook is for connecting with people you know, like family, friends....all of whom I know use their actual names. I can only imagine the joke it would be if everyone made up a couple false names. In any event, when you sign up, you agree to use your name. My word is my word, when I agree to play by the rules, I do. Or I accept the consequences.
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Veronica J

Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 18, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
I don't have a FB account... this is the first time to try and set one up. I was a bit shocked that it managed to suggest a load of friends from my wife to my sister... based on what?  I was using a new e-mail address with protonmail. So the only thing I can think of is that they are suggesting people based on my ip address from my wife's account.

Well I am not fully out yet. I won't do that until after my first appointment with the therapist - hopefully sometime next year by the time I get to the top of the waiting list - at least I am in the system now - so yes, the alphabet soup will probably now know, although I don't think they monitor my activity as closely as they used to. But I am obviously now out with the people I met at the local trans group, my wife, and my GP.

Farely easily, you carry a mobile phone?

did you install messenger on it and give it access?

even if you didnt, your browser for both your phone (esp chrome if you have a google id) and pc has a tone of metadata on it. including your location.
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Alice (nym)

Well that just means I can't use Facebook then. Which means I can't access the full support available to me.

Is that equal rights?

There are a whole host of people who require to use a different name to stay safe... I don't think it is a joke.
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Devlyn

There are other platforms. Again, I'm not looking for special rights, and I agree to play things by the rules already in place. I'm sorry if you think I'm joking.
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Lucca

While I somewhat agree with Devlyn that it doesn't make much sense for Facebook to allow multiple accounts for the same person with different names, I also think Facebook is essentially garbage as both a service and as a company. They don't make it easy to hide your activity or content from certain people and choose who you want to reveal it to, and what little discretion they offer is very easy to breach or accidently use incorrectly. There are also all sorts of privacy violations that people should be a lot more worried about than they usually are.

Unfortunately, Facebook has succeeded in making themselves nearly ubiquitous, so it's extremely difficult to avoid. I try to use my account as little as possible, but I still have to get on it from time to time whenever a group or organization I'm a part of has made the boneheaded decision to only put their information up on Facebook. I've had to use a Facebook account as a required part of college courses before, for example.

My advice? Only use Facebook as a last resort. Try everything in your power to use other resources. Ideally, they'd have some system in place where a single account can discreetly engage in whatever sensitive activities they want without everyone on the friends list knowing. The fact that they don't is one reason why we should try not to use it.
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Veronica J

Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 19, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
Well that just means I can't use Facebook then. Which means I can't access the full support available to me.

Is that equal rights?

There are a whole host of people who require to use a different name to stay safe... I don't think it is a joke.

all i did was block people on my new profile. this way even if i bumped into them they would never ever see my new profile. and i dont turn up on searches either :)
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Michelle_P

I found Facebook fundamentally be an automated outing machine.

While living in a Don't Ask Don't Tell environment, where I was out but never to be seen, I set up my Susans Place and Facebook accounts on a 'sterile' machine, wiped, formatted, and never used for anything else.  The accounts were as locked down as I could make them, but I was very aware of Facebook's habit of adding new features for social connections, defaulting to fully enabled and requiring users who wanted privacy to discover and lock down the features.

The absolute last thing I wanted was for Michelle to be suggested as a possible 'friend' for household members.
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Lucca

That's the other thing- the idea that having a separate Facebook account for your "out" self will protect your secret is somewhat illusory. You have to assume that anything you put on Facebook might be viewed by literally anyone and traced back to you. Their privacy protections are terrible, largely because they don't have any interest in maintaining anyone's privacy. You have to worry about that with any internet site, but Facebook is a lot more likely to out you than a place like Susan's because it's deliberately designed to link you to people you know without your express permission.
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Mariah

I kept mine separate for the short time that I had too. Once I started moving people to the new account I connected them and then privately started moving them over to the new account. Once they were moved to the new account they were removed from the old account. Then I just decided one day to get rid of the old account which was after a month or two period of time. My old account was long ago killed off by Facebook since I deleted the account. As long as your careful there shouldn't be any issues, however yeah the friend suggestions tends result in people knowing who might not otherwise. Hugs
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StacyRenee

Yeah, Facebook will out you eventually. In one way or another. I had a coworker send me a friend request on my new account. I'm guessing based on location. They also access your contacts on your phone and try linking you that way. They also suggest friends of friends, so if you have even one friend on both accounts you can be outed.

When I came out to my manager, he told me he wasn't surprised. He told me someone had brought their phone to him and showed him my new Facebook and asked if he thought that it looked like the old me.

Oh well. I was going to come out to everyone eventually. In the end, everyone will know anyways. Que serĂ¡, serĂ¡.

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GingerVicki

There are so many security issues with Facebook. I deleted mine. I remember when I opened it years ago and porn was all over it. :(

I had a huge fallout with work, friends, and family. Like WTF. I informed everyone that my account was hacked, but many people did not believe me.  >:-)
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