Into the lions den! BGCC-Oklahoma

[Jessica Merriman]

This girl is trans, out and proud. I recently went into the lions den otherwise known as the Baptist General Convention-Oklahoma! I attended with published author Sara Cunningham. Talk about feeling like a kitty treat in the tiger exhibit at the Zoo. I did it though to see their official position on sexuality and the GLBT community. It is not very inspiring and the only reason they are even talking about it now is donations and tithes are down because of the attitude of judgment and condemnation. It was supposed to be about reaching out to members of the GLBT community with compassion and love. It ended with the same old party line of "We are right, you are wrong. Change or go to hell".

Lessons learned from the Baptist General convention:

1. Department store mannequins, that's right, MANNEQUINS are pornographic and lead to a further involvement and intense struggles with it.
2. Dennis Jernigan is still gay even though he says he is not. He should win an academy award for his performance. He can work the crowd though smiles to tears and sobbing in 1.2 seconds. Promotes "Conversion Therapy" that no medical or psychological medical association supports.
3. Being LGBT is a result of a lack of faith in G-D! There is no scientifically credible data to cast doubt. Intersex people (like me) it is all in your head.
4. Everything there said or done was for sale for $24.99!
5. Read or watch "50 Shades of Grey" and go straight to hell. Do not pass go or collect $200.00.
6. They have not read "50 Shades of Grey", but a friend told them about it and it is evil.  SURE!!!!
7. Post op trans people, see you in hell. SRS indicates continued willful fighting of the will of G-D! Who is bringing chips?
8. NOTHING WILL CHANGE, PERIOD! Judgment, judgment, judgment! Wait, wasn't that duty relegated to G-D?
9. They back away slowly from trans girls like me. Especially when you act like you are going to sneeze.  Lol smile emoticon
10. Transgirls get undressed, flirted with and propositioned by many until they find out your trans!! Lol
11. Wine should be provided!! Where is my Moscato?? What a conference, ugh.
12. This report is for sale for $24.99! *giggles*

[Beth Andrea]

According to them, it sounds like there's gonna be one hell of a party down there in Heck!

Carpool anyone?



That experience would've turned my stomach for sure, Jessica...good on ya for holding strong! (Did ya wash your hands afterwards?)

[MelissaAnn]

What they just don't seem to understand is that all theur combination will wind up sending them right to hell. Only one to judge me will be God himself....! I could careless what they think anyway. They've never walked a step in my shoes or a minute in my head. Stupid can be tought but there is nothing that can be do with ignorance!

[Jessica Merriman]

(Did ya wash your hands afterwards?)

Better than that! Bleach bath at a local carwash!! *giggles*

Like I KEEP telling people, belief in yourself and having a strong sense of your own identity will get you through the toughest situations.

[Devlyn]

According to them, it sounds like there's gonna be one hell of a party down there in Heck!

Carpool anyone?



That experience would've turned my stomach for sure, Jessica...good on ya for holding strong! (Did ya wash your hands afterwards?)

Shotgun!

Hugs, Devlyn

[Jessica Merriman]

I think we will need mass transit going down. Easier for the few self proclaimed to carpool and go up! 

[Jill F]

We're on the highway to hell!

[Devlyn]

We're on the highway to hell!

Kicked In The Teeth Again

[Jill F]

Kicked In The Teeth Again

Sometimes you lose and sometimes you win!

Powerage... Good idea.

[Jessica Merriman]

I can see we will have quite the get together! Lol

[cindianna_jones]

I was told that my sin was second only to murder. That put it worse than raping a young child in my church's book. I really don't know how I made it through those years. They were truly the most miserable moments of my life.

Cindi

[Dee Marshall]

I was told that my sin was second only to murder.... They were truly the most miserable moments of my life.

I finished your book. What you were put through was inhuman. It's amazing it hasn't embittered you. It makes my trials seem trivial and I thank you for that.

[Jessica Merriman]

I have to admit the only time I almost lost my temper was when Mr. Pious Pants told me how kind and humane "conversion therapy" was and how it solved everything. I asked him how beatings, humiliation, electro shock, mind altering meds and other things I went through was HUMANE! He simply said since I was not wanting to change G-D made it hurt me. MY continued belief in my femininity and not letting go caused the pain. My friend saw me tense up and pretty much stepped between us gently guiding me to the exit.  I was only 7 at the time!!!!

[LoriLorenz]

I've got the map!!

(P.S. I'm Catholic *GASP* Trans *DOUBLE GASP* and feel called to Religious Life.... *GULP*)

[Asche]

I asked him how beatings, humiliation, electro shock, mind altering meds and other things I went through was HUMANE! He simply said since I was not wanting to change G-D made it hurt me.

Um.

Do I understand this correctly?

If you had been willing to submit to God's will, then the beatings, etc., wouldn't have hurt or harmed you?

Wouldn't that have put you one up on Jesus?  After all, by all orthodox accounts, even though he was entirely submitting to God's (his father's!!) will, he still suffered all kinds of agony during the crucifiction (plus the usual preliminaries), and was harmed to the point of dying.

Pardon me while I get a mop and a bucket.  I think I've got bits of exploded head all over the living room.

[gennee]

IMHO, people who say that they have been 'cured' of their homosexuality or transness are still in denial. There's no medical or scientific evidence that show conversion works. In fact, it has done more harm. Whatever happen to the time when one left well enough alone.

[cindianna_jones]

Um.

Do I understand this correctly?

If you had been willing to submit to God's will, then the beatings, etc., wouldn't have hurt or harmed you?

Wouldn't that have put you one up on Jesus?  After all, by all orthodox accounts, even though he was entirely submitting to God's (his father's!!) will, he still suffered all kinds of agony during the crucifiction (plus the usual preliminaries), and was harmed to the point of dying.

Pardon me while I get a mop and a bucket.  I think I've got bits of exploded head all over the living room.

Yeah, I went through all of that crap too. The electroshock was horrifying and I swear the "doctor" was getting off on it as he watched me through his little window. They showed me disgusting movies with men having sex together. That repulsed me. And the guy would shock the hell out of me and give his little Mr. Happy a few strokes and then shock me again. I watched A Clockwork Orange just two years later with some friends and I had a PTSD moment. I ran to my room and hid in a corner with my arms over my head. My friends couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with me. This was a therapist strongly recommended by the church and was a "good church member."  I had another who swore I had a sexual fantasy with doorknobs. I mean HE brought it up all the time. Believe me, I've never considered a door knob sexy in the least, but I believe HE thought they were. Ultimately my useless counseling with three "good church people" cost me thousands of dollars. I even paid it all off. But the pray the gay away organization was the worst. I was convinced to read their book. They sent me personal letters. And between them and my family, I broke down. In fact, that's where my book starts... right after I decided to chop my hair off and return to the male world.

Cindi

[Asche]

Possible tangent:

I seem to recall that back in the days before Stonewall, mainline psychiatry had various "aversion therapies" that were supposed to cure homosexuals (to use the term they used then) of their perversion.  I've heard things that suggested that transgender people got similar "therapies."

I was wondering if the conversion therapies in use now are derived from the psychiatric treatments from those days?

[Lady Smith]

I have to admit the only time I almost lost my temper was when Mr. Pious Pants told me how kind and humane "conversion therapy" was and how it solved everything. I asked him how beatings, humiliation, electro shock, mind altering meds and other things I went through was HUMANE! He simply said since I was not wanting to change G-D made it hurt me. MY continued belief in my femininity and not letting go caused the pain. My friend saw me tense up and pretty much stepped between us gently guiding me to the exit.  I was only 7 at the time!!!!

Good grief, are these people even talking about the same God I worship (sigh).  But then I'm Catholic and most Baptists consider me damned already before we even get to the trans-woman part.
Having worked for the mental health service in my country and heard so many similar horror stories from patients and clients I worked with my heart very much goes out to you.  Some dreadful things were done back then and were called therapy.

Blessings always,

Anne

[Lady Smith]

Yeah, I went through all of that crap too. The electroshock was horrifying and I swear the "doctor" was getting off on it as he watched me through his little window. They showed me disgusting movies with men having sex together. That repulsed me. And the guy would shock the hell out of me and give his little Mr. Happy a few strokes and then shock me again. I watched A Clockwork Orange just two years later with some friends and I had a PTSD moment. I ran to my room and hid in a corner with my arms over my head. My friends couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with me. This was a therapist strongly recommended by the church and was a "good church member."  I had another who swore I had a sexual fantasy with doorknobs. I mean HE brought it up all the time. Believe me, I've never considered a door knob sexy in the least, but I believe HE thought they were. Ultimately my useless counseling with three "good church people" cost me thousands of dollars. I even paid it all off. But the pray the gay away organization was the worst. I was convinced to read their book. They sent me personal letters. And between them and my family, I broke down. In fact, that's where my book starts... right after I decided to chop my hair off and return to the male world.



Cindi

Cindi, I really must read your book.  Apart from that I'm not sure what to say.  I've been hearing about far too many things that 'good christians' have been doing to trans-folk over the past few days and I think I need some alone time in order to clear my senses.

Blessings always,

Anne

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