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Point of coming out ?

Started by makipu, March 08, 2015, 08:45:33 PM

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makipu

I keep reading about the 'coming out' process but what I would like to know is just the basics as to WHY do it in the first place?  I know it's very important to be acknowledged as the true being/gender you identify with but at the same time why let other people (especially non family members) know that very unpleasant, horrific truth that you were actually born otherwise?  Why let anyone know about the sad past?
Also who knows what people really think in their mind(in the very back of their heads  like the subconscious knowledge that they would still have of you being the gender that you're not) but they do call you and 'seem to acknowledge' your identifying gender just to be nice and respectful?
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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FTMax

Personally, I don't "come out" to anyone that doesn't need to know. New people that I'm meeting now are introduced to me as Max, and they are none the wiser.

I had to tell my family, friends, and work associates/clients because I'm transitioning in full view of them. It is largely through their willingness to gender me correctly that I'm able to introduce myself to new people as Max and not have anyone blink an eye about it.

When I move, I don't plan on telling anyone but my new doctor about the circumstances of my birth.
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makipu

The ONLY people whom I would  'come out' is doctors but it's highly unlikely. Besides they would most likely think I am a "she" anyways.  I guess this is a bigger issue ESPECIALLY since one doesn't pass as their identifying gender in a regular basis. 

I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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FTMax

I mean, I plan to tell the doctors for as long as I still have my girly insides. And that's really only if I'm having complications. I haven't had to disrobe at a doctor's office (with the exception of my surgery consult) in years, and with my clothes on I pass 100% of the time. So there will likely be very few medically induced periods of coming out in my future.

Back to the topic: I think you're right, in that it is more of an issue for people that don't always pass. And I think it's also a personal thing.

For me, if I wasn't passing or people were questioning my gender, I wouldn't do the whole coming out song and dance and explain what being transgender is and what that means in regard to my body. I'd more than likely blame anything remotely feminine on a hormone imbalance, which would not technically be a lie.

I think it's different for everyone, and in every situation. Coming out presents a lot of issues; pride, shame, safety, comfort, etc. I can understand why other people might feel the need or even want to come out as trans in certain situations, but my comfort dictates that I keep it as private as possible.
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StrykerXIII

It's a very individual thing. I came out because I was sick of my family's transphobia. I clearly remember watching something about trans people on TV and my mother saying "I can't imagine how I'd react if one of you (referring to my little brother and I) came out trans..."

Well surprise surprise surprise, maw, now ye got yerself two trans kids! I came out as MtF, and my brother came out about a year later as FtM.
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chefskenzie

I did come out to my family and friends.  I quickly learned those who would stand by me, and those who wouldn't.  Now I look at that as a blessing, and happy that I didn't have to have anyone who was fake in my life.

Now my husband knows, his family, and that is it.  I am not out at work, or in my public life anymore.  As said above, it is an individual thing.  But I would urge sharing it with people who are the closest to you.  Because if found out, could be something that ruins relationships/friendships that you couldn't trust someone with something huge.  Just my opinion.
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barbie

IMHO, coming out is originally a term for homosexual people. For trans people, coming out is not important. Coming out may be important to you, but most people are not interested in it. You do not need to declare something. Gradual change would be better.

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winston9999

Quote from: makipu on March 08, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
I keep reading about the 'coming out' process but what I would like to know is just the basics as to WHY do it in the first place?  I know it's very important to be acknowledged as the true being/gender you identify with but at the same time why let other people (especially non family members) know that very unpleasant, horrific truth that you were actually born otherwise?  Why let anyone know about the sad past?
Also who knows what people really think in their mind(in the very back of their heads  like the subconscious knowledge that they would still have of you being the gender that you're not) but they do call you and 'seem to acknowledge' your identifying gender just to be nice and respectful?

Hey Makipu,

I thought that coming out was a pivotal point in someones life that gave them the freedom to live and be who they were without having to feel like they need to hide their true self?

Forget about what others think, those that are the most opinionated are those that are the most insecure. You do what you want to do because its you. I like all kinds of strange stuff, music, movies, etc, but I don't hide it, I choose my time when to expose it, but at my pace.

I'm not really even bisexual, so I told a few people what my tastes were and left it at that. Some responded well, some a little too well, and others not so well.

I can only imagine the journey you have ahead, don't let others opinions and thoughts way you down or keep you from what you want to be.

Good luck. I wish you a safe and happy transition.
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Adam (birkin)

I agree with you OP, I don't see any reason to come out. At all. Unless it's to someone who might be getting in my pants. I feel like the whole point of transition was for my outside to match my inside, and now it does. The world can see who I am (at least, in terms of gender) when they look at my face.

There is only one time and one time only I came out to someone who I didn't intend/hope to sleep with, and that was a younger woman that I support (I work in mental health). She reminds me so much of myself. Our physical appearance is strikingly similar, but what else stands out is how physically ill/worn down we both look(ed) due to the stress of a difficult upbringing. She also has a lot of people in her life who are very critical of her self-destructive/suicidal behaviours, including my coworkers, because they can't possibly understand what it's like to be in that mindset. I do. I needed her to know that she wasn't alone, and that it is possible to overcome challenges in life and come out healthier, and stronger, on the other side. But she's a very special case in terms of me coming out. She's very isolated due to the high risk she poses to her own life. Her access to resources is very limited, even her internet access is restricted. She has very few places where she can find hope, so I put myself out there for her. I'm not perfect. And transition didn't solve all my problems, very very far from it, and I am always very clear with her on that one. But the point is that you can find yourself, and be yourself, and make yourself happy even when things seem bleak and impossible. I never regretted it because I feel like she trusts me more, and she has always kept my personal information private as far as I can tell.
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Jessie Ann

In my case I will have to come out because of professional reasons.  I work for a large employer and have for 28 years.  I am invested in my career and my retirement program payments increase substantially for each year I remain employed for the next 10 years.  I am not going to be able to dual track my life for 10 years so it's best for me to transition as soon as I can and get it going.  The fact that I work for an employer that has transgender protections certainly helps in making the decision to transition but it also prevents me from transitioning and working somewhere else.  It would be impossible to make up the difference in retirement income I would lose. 

The decision is a uniquely personal one that may or may not be under an individual's control.  Now, after I retire and move I may have the option to keep it under wraps but I won't know that for a few years.

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ainsley

For me, coming out was a result of just being myself.  Not that I came out to be myself, but rather by being myself, I was outed.  So, I did not have the intention to come out, per se, but I just decided to stop hiding how I was and that was what led to the proverbial coming out to everyone because it is an empirical thing for them.  So, I guess the point of coming out was to allow me to be who I am.  But coming out was a reaction to the action of being me.

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AndreaLinda

I think "coming out" is a wrong way to say it. its more like being who you truly are?
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Emileeeee

I only plan to do it on a need to know basis and the only ones that need to know are the people that see me every day or people I like to spend time with, just so I can stop lying to them all. It would also help to not have to change my whole house around to be in male mode when they drop by.
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jeni

I don't understand the question. Unless you drop all your relationships (work, school, friends, etc) and start over, at some point people will realize you have transitioned. Whether by telling them or by demonstration, you are going to "come out" to those people whether you want to or not unless you don't make a transition. Am I missing something?

There can be more to it than that, but I don't see how you can transition without "coming out" in some way.
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michelle

I guess coming out really goes in stages.   The first person that I had to come out to as really being a woman was myself making me MtoF.   This was really difficult being born in 1946 and living in small town and rural Dakotas and fearing for my survival if anyone guessed my secret. 

When I was thirteen and my sexual identity was being forced upon me by puberty,  I made a pack to deal with the issue when I was much older, fearing that if I dealt with my gender identity issues as a youth I would end up dead in the gutter wearing a dress.   So I was staying in living as what I like to characterize a dyke female masquerading as a male.  I was fearful of demonstrating even a little hint of femininity consciously,  but unconsciously, I am  not so sure.   I was picked upon as being a new kid, but never really being a sissy, but looking back I think that in many ways I behaved as a female might.  I didn't insist on having male things, like a 22 rifle or a driver's license, or a car, or to be put into the game when I went out for male sports.   I just waited politely for the coach to notice me and put me in the game.  This rarely happened.   Did the coach sense that I as a skinny kid was not up to going head to head with the tough guys?  I don't know.   Then again, when I competed with the guys at ping pong and I sensed that they need to win, as a good girl, I choked and let them.  When I went took another girl to my senior prom, I hardly knew what to do.   The brash cocky guy just wasn't there.   How much I was out and how much I was in the closet I just don't know even to this day.   

Extreme fear kept me from acquiring any female clothing until I was married at 25 when I could squirrel away my ex's clothing that was going to the thrift shop and wear in private moments.  Washing the families clothes was also one of my household chores during all 27 years of my marriage.  Then I was out when my ex-wife was at work and the kids were asleep, consciously.  Unconsciously, well, I came home after work every night to help with the kids, never had a guys night out, or after work beers with the guys,  did every female chore with the kids except nurse them, and carry them in my womb.   So in many ways I was out more in my behavior as a woman, than as a man.   

When my marriage was over when I was 53 and home alone,  I was Michelle 24/7/365, because I wore bras and panties all the time, but at work I was still that dyke presenting as a male, and a more effeminate Michelle at home, alone.   At home inside and outside the house I was Michelle, so I guess to my neighbors I was out while at work not so much.   But, I was a school teacher, and people talk, so who knew what they knew, but they never called me on it.  I meant someone who had kids, whom I was out to as female, who accepts me as a male crossdresser but not as the woman I am.   So until I retired at 62 I was out at home and in the closet at work then I was out 24/7/365.25 in my public life, my private life, and my internet life, which meant that I was out to all of my family, friends, and past students who had Facebook.   

Coming out as a feminine woman publicly and not as a dyke, just meant that I had more freedom to chose how I wanted to dress and wear makeup, and how effeminate I wanted to be.  But taking so long to be myself meant that most of people saw me as the dyke pretending to be male, but probably not being very male in reality.    So I am stuck with most of my male physical characteristics and male socialization while emotionally being more of a woman.   

Because at thirteen, I decided to deal with my femaleness when I was older sooner or later those chickens came home to roost.   I lost my female teenage years and young adult years.   I lost my feminine voice and physical characteristics.  I am just a little old toothless grandma with big hands and really big feet and a stubbly feeling face.   Light hair so facial hair not noticeable unless I don't shave for a long time to look at. 

So what does it mean to be out.  It means being yourself.   Maybe in some ways I was out as a woman all my life and really never hid anything.   When I came out on Facebook,  nobody showed any surprise or just instantly unfriended me.   So who knows maybe despite all of our fears, some people suspect that somehow we are different, but don't know how or what.   The longer you wait to transition the more past you have and the more likely you will always be transsexual among those people who have known you all your life and the more costly it will be to make physical gender changes.   

If you are a male to female transgendered how do you know how you want to live your life if you don't come out.  Hiding just keeps you frozen in time emotionally, while physically your body goes through all of the stages of life.   
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

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skin

Visibility. Think of how far acceptance of homosexuality has come in the last 20, or even 10 years. I believe the reason for that is increased visibility.  There was a big push for people to live openly and now 77% of Americans know someone who is gay. I believe knowing someone is what lead to an increase in acceptance.  On the other hand, only 9% of Americans know someone who is trans. 

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Arch

Considering that I was about to start T and get top surgery and change all of my documentation, I think it was highly appropriate for me to come out. It would have been freaking awkward otherwise, don't you think?!
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awilliams1701

For me it was more about being out than coming out. I came out to my friends and family. I'm just plain out to everyone else. Living full-time has been great. I never could have imagined how awesome it could be to just live as me. I don't know if its the new hair color, the fact that winter seems to be over, or the hormones giving me a boost, but the last couple of days have been nearly perfect for me.
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