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Stealth is impossible at 46 yrs old, how to integrate the past with the present

Started by Eva, March 31, 2015, 01:10:16 PM

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Eva

Hi Ive been reluctant to post this but Im gonna put this out there and hopefully get some insight from others who transitioned later in life who are farther along concerning how to deal with 40+ years worth of accumulated "guy stuff"...  Did it all have to go or did you find a way to keep things you used to hold dear or even just useful as a "male" and integrate that into your new life...

I feel like after 1 1/2 years into transition, nearly done with electro, a year on full dose HRT, VFS and FFS I could probably pull off "stealth" If I tried and if not it wont be much longer before I could.... Im very happy with the way things are going for me but there are some things I just dont know how to deal with....

First I want to say despite a lifelong struggle with GD I was fortunate to somehow become very successful financially at least as a man... I was a MISERABLE JERK but I just used to just bury myself in work and little else... Im fortunate I see now to never have married or had kids....

Im not trying to brag here just explaining my circumstance... I eventually just couldn't deal with working as a male anymore but I wasn't ready to transition either.... I was in the very fortunate position to be able to "retire early" at only 39 years old... I made it 5 more years and a couple of failed relationships with women before I knew what I had to do...

The problem I have for one is despite being in a very good place (for now anyway, transition isnt cheap) I want to get out in the world now and start working as a woman.... Well thats been pretty depressing so far, nobody seems to want to hire someone who hasn't had a job in 7 years then ad being trans on top of it... It seems impossible to hide my past, even though Ive changed my name and gender on everything I could including SS and my passport.... My state refuses to change the M to F on my drivers license without proof of SRS and same with my BC in another state.... So any job that requires a credit check instantly outs me.... It sucks I cant even apply in person for a lot of these jobs either, some are online and some just take the application and pass on to whoever.... So all they see is a ->-bleeped-<- with ZERO work history as a woman and I dont even get a chance to make a good impression on them in person... Im not sure what to do here??? These aren't high paying jobs that require a degree either.... I was actually a HS drop out, I do have a GED in my old name so not even an education to put on my pathetic "resume"...  I made my money in a very hot dirty and dangerous job forging steel... Im struggling to think of a job Id want to do now as a woman that I could use those old skills at ??? 

Which brings up my second delema... The ONLY thing about being male I was ever good at and enjoyed was an innate ability to understand complex mechanical things.... I was and still am a HELL of a mechanic with a set of tools and the knowledge of how to use them that MANY men cant even come close to.... Again not trying to brag but just explain where Im coming from... Ive always been able to fix nearly anything myself.... I was into race cars and hot rods for a long time as a hobby... Im a "->-bleeped-<-" that knows how to remove rebuild and reinstall the "->-bleeped-<-" in a potential BF's car or truck :D ;) I have all the tools and knowledge to do that and more, Ive never paid anyone to fix anything for me, Ive always just figured it out myself...

I have a 37 acre ranch, all those tools, A couple bad ass hotrods, an insane speedboat, even my own personal rollback tow truck.... All that and much more.... There is no way a man could ever come to my place without it all outing me in an instant... I have sold off a lot of the stuff I know I wont use anymore.... I WONT rebuild a ->-bleeped-<- anymore for instance :D But its overwhelming to imagine just how the hell Id get rid of all this stuff.... Ive thankfully sold off my 5 spare ->-bleeped-<-s and a couple engines and a lot more junk and let me tell you it was no fun doing it as a "->-bleeped-<-" :'( In a way its like managing my own estate sale... I dont want to give this stuff away either but I do dream of having it all GONE and living a much simpler life as a woman AND finding a husband.... Im having a hard time imagining a man truly accepting me as a woman when its likely I have more tools and guns and guy stuff than he does ???

Lately though Im not so sure, for one its truly a daunting task... But I also feel like as things move along with my transition all this "stuff" doesn't really define who I am now or make me less of a woman.... Im coming terms with the fact that no matter how pretty and passable I get, and even after successful SRS and that is all still a big goal I'll never be able to escape my past... I feel like as things move along appearance and "passing" is easier and easier but the farther I go the more I want all this stuff from my past GONE.... I try to tell myself that I can keep it all and even enjoy it as a woman and I just dont know what to do with it all...

One thought that comes to mind is just moving out of here into a little apartment and calling an auctioneer and telling them my "husband" died and I just want to sell all this stuff and move on.... Id also love to sell my ranch and house as well, its all paid for, I have zero debt... I know I'll likely not get a fair price for a lot of it but the thought of how much more freedom Id have almost seems worth it.... All this "stuff" will take years to sell on my own at a fair price and that just bums me out and overwhelms me....

So I feel like Im pretty unique here and Im VERY thankful I dont have a lot of the problems a lot of late transitioners seem to have with marriages falling apart and losing everything like it or not...

Maybe I should just quit complaining and count my blessings... If anyone can relate even a little to my dilemma Id love to hear how you dealt with this kind of thing... I cant be the only one in this position can I???
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Laura_7

Well you seem to be in a position you can look for something that suits you... on a rented basis...
you could look for a place you like, and rent it first...
look around the neighborhood, get yourself aquainted, and maybe look for jobs or opportunities you do not have to apply for much...
what about volunteering, and going from there...
a job to explain people how tools work...
you could start at community college, offering courses...
or you could work towards some kind of degree or aquire some kind of knowledge...
if you use your imagination a bit and keep dreaming and looking, something good might come along...

hugs
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Lady Smith

Eva, I'm a fully certified tradesperson automotive engineer and I presently own a lathe, welding gear and a useful amount of tools.  When I started to live as myself I thought, 'Well that's over', and like a fool I sold off all the gear I had at the time.  Old machinery and building stuff with wheels on has been a life-long interest of mine and it didn't take me too long before I realised how daft I'd been to get rid of everything.

Once my life smoothed out with my transition I went back to school and retrained as a social worker, but I still rebuilt a 1954 Morris Minor in the evenings which became my daily driver for the next ten years. I still rode motorcycles and joined a women's motorcycle touring group too.  Women can be and are good mechanics Eva.  My demi-girl daughter is just the same as me and rebuilt the engine on a 1990s Rover car she owed until recently.
These days I'm unable to do any heavy work which suits me fine because I don't want to because I'm more interested in human powered vehicles.  I've got the beginnings of a small replica cyclecar out in my workshop which I'm slowly working on in between things so don't think for a moment you can't use and enjoy the skills you have.  The big difference is that now you don't have to worry about all the male bullsh!t and grandstanding that normally goes with anything to do with working on or modifying vehicles.
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natashaX

Here is the flip side
I was a early identifier and was removed from my home as a teen .
Social services did not want to house me what so ever
I fell into being trafficked
Now I'm almost same age and I don't have a single skill
I am riddled with ptsd anxiety hostility issues
And when the police are called on me they show up with
Four cars. I do exceptionally well. But I am a woman
And every woman knows how to fet what she wants
Be sex object to men
Wekcome to the wonderfull world of woman in sexist society
And that's the other way you could have grown up.
But I have a suspicion that it may be residual socialization
Because I got a job
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mrs izzy

I started HRT 39 full time 44 after loosing every part of my past.

I had my life,  children and my family.  My x got rid of everything and claimed abandonment so I rebuilt my life.

Going full time in my field was challenging but found a good company to work with.

It's a life that we just roll over and give up or move forward.

Today I struggle with chronic back pain and numbness from that.  I can no longer work,  best I give emotional support as much as I can.

In the end it was about my life.  The women with-in.  Need to work at living with or with-out Gd.

You want to transition stealth the do it.  Confidence.

Hugs



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Ms Grace

As someone who has transitioned late 40s I have a lot of love for sci-fi and comics (especially the superhero variety)... now I know that certainly isn't exclusively a male thing but it is often looked at that way. Most of the women I know aren't into that stuff but I'm still more than happy to hold on to that and the fact that I'm someone who is known for also drawing a superhero webcomic doesn't worry me. It's what got me through my dysphoria in the first place.
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LizMarie

Just be yourself, whoever that is.

I don't advocate anyone go around advertising they have a trans history but we also can't escape it either, not in the 21st century short of the witness protection program. :) If I get asked, I admit it, talk about it if they want to chat, and answer questions if I think those answers will further understanding.

So just be you. Incorporate from your male life what you want. I've known lots of cisgender female mechanics!

I do advise being as up-front about your history as you can as early in a relationship as seems wise to you, but that's my personal opinion and others do differ with that, for reasons that I respect (just disagree with).
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Rachel

I recommend, like with any major life change, take your time with purging the old. What makes you special are your interests. Your interests may shift and change and in time shift back.
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JoanneB

I feel your pain. I wrestle with this beast almost daily. In my case I am "The Master of the Electron", my wife's pet name for me,  and very well enumerated for that talent. Also I am currently employed guiding those little doggies along.

I am maybe 5 years into this journey of taking on the trans beast for real after a good 40 years of ignoring it, or otherwise distracting myself from my GD. "Total Jerk" barely scratches the surface of the adjectives my wife would use to describe "The Old Me". I know I am in a far better place then I was.

At age 59 (almost) I know w/o a doubt if cannot stay at my current job, I'll be "Dead in the Water" as us sailors say. My career is a good 50% of what makes me, me. I nearly lost that 6 years ago, which is what drove me to tackle this beast. Being that Master, that ace problem solver, is what kept me alive for almost 50 years. Only now can I even begin to think I actually do deserve the praise others heap on me.

I hope, I pray, that the day does not come that I Need to transition. If I cannot make it, if I do need to, well I know within a year I'll be out of work. So immediately down size. Dump what I can. And especially get the H out of NJ. I can be a Walmart greater anywhere.

Yep, at 40+, even more at 50+, there is no stealth. Only dealing with the fallout. I am a big proponent of having a Plan B, and a Plan C. Being trans, going full time is already likely your Plan A or B, the other being suicide. Which means you do what you have to survive another day.  You know, like most "Normal" people. Except they don't see it quite that way
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monica93304

Dear Eva. Sister.  To quote Mrs. Izzy.   It's about the woman within...

I'll be 45. Been wrenching on cars for a living for almost 20 years.  I haven't had your economic success.  But, turning wrenches is what I do.  Eventually, there's going to be a man that loves all of me. Not just the pretty side. 

Socially, many people assume that I'm a genetic woman, or that I'm post op, or that I'm full time.  I'm none of those because I haven't been able to (getting closer to being full time).  And I realize that even though my trade is very difficult, it's still what I love.  I don't know how to do much else. 

Yesterday an Audi R8 came into our shop.  That's when I realize that I'm probably going to be a wrench till I'm old and/or can't physically do it. 

Personally I don't think that I'm stealth, probably in my mind I never will be.  But it won't stop me from being confident. It won't stop me from loving life, for being grateful for my past because it molded my character today.  I'm strong.  Most people that know me socially know not to mess with me, no matter how feminine, or classy I am.

Be you.  You know that most of us don't even make it this far due to giving up on life.  You have.  Don't take no BS from no one sister. 

PM me if you need to vent.

Hugs,

Monica.
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Megan Rose

I know a trans woman who owns and operates a shop that repairs cars.  She transitioned on the job and her customers and employees stayed right there with her. 

You should have enough assets to start a business like that, or possibly buy one that already exists.   

Good luck!
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: Megan Rose on March 31, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
I know a trans woman who owns and operates a shop that repairs cars.  She transitioned on the job and her customers and employees stayed right there with her. 

You should have enough assets to start a business like that, or possibly buy one that already exists.   

Good luck!

There ya go! I was going to say pretty much the same thing.

As for me, I transitioned on the job, in a career field I've been in for 25+ years. I won't pass without FFS, and maybe not even then (damn you, linebacker shoulders!)...but even if I had to leave and start totally new, I'd still just waltz in and be brimming with confidence and positive vibes.

I understand most places do the online app/etc but maybe find out who HR is and send them an actual letter and resume?
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

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Eva Marie

Quote from: Megan Rose on March 31, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
I know a trans woman who owns and operates a shop that repairs cars.  She transitioned on the job and her customers and employees stayed right there with her. 

You should have enough assets to start a business like that, or possibly buy one that already exists.   

Good luck!

This thought was exactly what was going through my mind as I read this post. As a former car nut that still owns two cars (a race car and a restored muscle car) but has no place to work on them any longer and has gotten rid of a lot of tools along the way - my suggestion is to hold off on dumping everything and moving into a small apartment until you are sure thats what you want to do. I was forced into doing exactly that and I miss what I used to have and took for granted, and I want that stuff back now *sigh*......

There are wayyyy to many shop owners that are only interested in extracting a quick buck while doing crapppy, slipshod work - with your experience you could set up a different kind of shop that would be known for doing quality work - word of mouth would eventually send you more business than you can handle. Being a trans woman is not an impediment; you just have to work a bit smarter than using brute force.

Go with what you already know and do a great job of it  :)
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Beth Andrea

^^^ And to have a shop that is woman-friendly...many places have a reputation for taking advantage of women (and non-mechanically inclined men).

...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Eva

Thanks for all the comments ;) You know its always just been a hobby/obsession of mine Id never consider any kind of business going it alone anyway... I do know the race car has to go eventually, its just too much work and way too expensive to run it.... I do know it would be fun to show those dumb boys how to drive though!!! I have no doubt I can still drive and the car would be a few tenths faster now that Im 50 lbs lighter ;D I know Id get their attention and Im in a totally different part of the country than I used to be so nobody would even know me at the track ;)  I doubt I could ever sell my street car, I restored it from a $400.00 rusted out junker to perfection and its loud and mean with a 600HP motor... I do like to take that beast out now and then as a woman, its fun to watch the boys reaction 8)

I donno its all so expensive to run and keep up but ya never know who I might meet getting out racing again... It is a truly impressive car and I think getting it back to the track would make it easier to sell ;) Ideally Id find a guy that would be into keeping up with it all and Id just drive 8) I donno I think I could even pull off "stealth" at the drag strip far a little while anyway  ;) Im sure they might wonder but I don't have to admit to anything I guess... Maybe just a dream but Im tempted to go for it and see what happens :-\

BUT like I said there is just no hiding my past with a anyone once things move beyond a casual acquaintance :( But then again my give a damn factor IS pretty low too, I am who I am ;)



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Christine Eryn

I'm in the same boat as some of you gals. For me, I am to attached to things I paid (wasted) good money for from my early days. Tools, collectibles/sports memorabilia, and electronics come to mind. Don't get me started on car parts either. :eusa_doh: I'm having a tough time letting that old part of me go, but I feel like I should embrace it somehow. Being a "cool nerd" doesn't help either. However, I am beginning to seperate my old clothes from my new wardrobe more and more. I'm also at a point that I hate my career and want a fresh start after doing the same thing for almost 20 years.
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Emily E


Quote from: Eva on March 31, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
The problem I have for one is despite being in a very good place (for now anyway, transition isnt cheap) I want to get out in the world now and start working as a woman.... Well thats been pretty depressing so far, nobody seems to want to hire someone who hasn't had a job in 7 years then ad being trans on top of it... It seems impossible to hide my past, even though Ive changed my name and gender on everything I could including SS and my passport.... My state refuses to change the M to F on my drivers license without proof of SRS and same with my BC in another state.... So any job that requires a credit check instantly outs me.... It sucks I cant even apply in person for a lot of these jobs either, some are online and some just take the application and pass on to whoever.... So all they see is a ->-bleeped-<- with ZERO work history as a woman and I dont even get a chance to make a good impression on them in person... Im not sure what to do here??? These aren't high paying jobs that require a degree either.... I was actually a HS drop out, I do have a GED in my old name so not even an education to put on my pathetic "resume"...  I made my money in a very hot dirty and dangerous job forging steel... Im struggling to think of a job Id want to do now as a woman that I could use those old skills at ??? 

Maybe I should just quit complaining and count my blessings... If anyone can relate even a little to my dilemma Id love to hear how you dealt with this kind of thing... I cant be the only one in this position can I???

Your not alone and while I'm not where you are I'm looking at being in the same boat that you are down the road (other then being financially secure I have a ton of debt to deal with) my job wont be forgiving of me transitioning (oh they say it would be ok but I would be fired for any little thing that they could find) and to be honest I'm ok with that as I really want to walk into a job being perceived as a woman and not deal with all the little issues that will crop up with other people that cant handle it at my job.  But I'm the type of person who likes to have plans and options so I went looking around and found out there are a lot of companies that have made it their policy to not discriminate against people in our situation (http://www.masstpc.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Employers_with_Transgender_Friendly_Policies ) so my personal plan is to start transition at my current job until I get fired then complete my name change and then march right down to one of those companies and start applying for any type of job so I can get to get at least a years experience working as a woman before I move on to something better.  I'm lucky because my state will change my gender on my drivers license even though the state I was born in will not do it for my birth certificate (a credit check wont pick that up I think).   My plans may not help you at all but maybe something in my babbling will help you have an epiphany for your situation.
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Kellam

I'm In my mid 30's, ok starting the late end, and have been wrestling with some of these questions myself. I have no college education but I have two decades of working with my hands under my belt. When I was aproaching transition I found myself wanting to leave behind some of the manlyness of my work life. I was exhausted with the rigors of demolition, loading docks and carpentry. But now I'm not so sure, I have come out at work where they are being very suportive and am looking forward to seeing how I feel about things from the other side of self acceptance.

I had also purchased a sailboat, 28 ft, to live on and I think I want to sell it off but I haven't yet. I have been slow to do so. I also have a lifelong genuine love of bicycles and am still planning on starting a small buisness around that. On the other end I have considered finally going for my art history degree and the proffesion of the duola has a very strong pull. I also used to be an artist before my self worth issues destroyed that passion, that has been returning to me too.

I guess what I am getting at is that this seems to be the time to take the skills and tallents I have amassed and run with them. To take greater controll over my own fate and stop mearly being the tool of others. Because of the things I have done with my life I will never be able to escape the man I once pretended to be, he's out there. But so much of who he was is still me and though he turned his back out of self loathing, my growing self confidence makes rebuilding those abandoned paths a possibility.

When I realized that I had to transition I decided that I would go into it with as open a mind as possible. To discount nothing out of hand. There aren't many examples of what a transwoman is like so that means we get to create the mold. I love that!

I have always gotten a lot of drive from music and one of my current favorite bands is the old riot girrrl group Lunachicks. The lead singer is trans and in her anthem "Mr. Lady" she proudly declares "I'm more than a woman, more than a man, I feel larger than life, you must understand!" That song and that line in particular are becoming very close to my heart.

I have let the patriarchy push me around for my whole life. I think now is my time to stand up and be whatever and whomever I want. Damn their stereotypes and gender roles. I won't live in a trap anymore...
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Beatriz

Being a mechanical and car maniac doesn't make you any less of a woman! Surely you'll face sexism because of it, but don't give up what you love if you don't need to, isn't it part of you? Just go ahead with it and to hell with others.

In Brazil you'd most likely pass as a "caminhoneira", bad rep due to sexism but definitely a woman, that's what matters

If you find a guy who does love you as you are, including you being trans and him seeing you as a woman, go for it as well. If not though, it's most likely better off to be by yourself at this point, as most men are unfortunately too sexist, transphobic and close-minded to know better. If you know a relationship won't work, spare yourself the pain, you'll be doing yourself a favor. Try your best to be happy by yourself, as who you are and nothing less: if you aren't happy by yourself, you won't be happy with a partner either.



That said, no idea if it's your case or not, but you might not even like men to begin with. In my case I'm bi strongly pending to the lesbian side. When I started HRT, I'd already gotten strong crushes on other girls (and the occasional crush on male friends): I'd figured that since I never had an actual relationship, I wouldn't be able to tell if my crushes on women were due to T or what  ???, so I waited a bit.

Turns out my T went lower than cis women levels and I still like women just as much, the only difference being less annoying male libido. So much for thinking I liked men  :D



Really, if you've gotten so far as to have FFS and VFS, if you've learned female mannerisms and such, chances are you'd probably pass anyway and only be stared at due to looking like a butch lesbian and having the hobbies of said stereotype (still bad, but not half as bad). Even if it isn't the case right now, secondary sexual characteristics tend to get neutered as you get older after your 50s, so I wouldn't worry.

If I were you, I'd seriously reassess whether you "pass" or not. If you don't that's not the end of the world either, you don't owe anything to this damn transphobic society, just try to be yourself and live on without a care in the world. If you look androgynous-ish though, with a feminine face but broad shoulders for example, just speaking up would most of the time automatically pass anyway. That's how it goes for me: my face is still the most masculine part of my body, which makes people stare at me and is my next goal to take care of, but since my voice is feminine nobody mistakes me for a man if I speak up.

When people look at you, they'll receive several subconscious signs from your appearance, which include gender appearance. If they can't 100% decide just from your looks, the next deciding factor would be your voice. And if you've had VFS, well, that takes care of that.

Be strong. Women have no need for weakness: society only makes it seem as such so that they're easier still to be manipulated and used by men. Be open about your hobbies, let nobody question them, and if some unassuming guy does question you just ask them why is it that you can't do what you like.

Why?
Most just react by being flabbergasted, lol.



As for working as a woman from now on, excellent suggestions have already been given.

I'm not too sure if opening up a business is adequate or not, considering any business carries a risk to it, and requires investment: if it doesn't work out, there goes your investment, which means less money for transition. But it's definitely a great, appealing possibility (especially with what's been said about a women-friendly shop), and if you're able to secure a safety margin you should be fine.

Be yourself. Nobody else has the right to tell you who to be.
Best of luck.  ;)
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Eva

Again thanks for the nice discussion :) 

A lot of the time I feel like Im too hard on myself but I really dont like the idea of working as an out trans woman... Of course its not looking like Im gonna have much of a choice IF I can even find a job worth working ??? Someone will know no matter what and people will talk, thats just how it is...  Im not so sure school would be worth it or help much either... I have cis friends that have a ton of student loan debt, degree's, and the jobs they end up in aren't nearly as good as they thought they would be.... 

Maybe Im being unrealistic hoping to find a guy that can deal with me as I am now but accept me as me, my past and all... Im not sure such a man exists :-\

The idea of getting rid of everything and greatly simplifying my life, moving somewhere else and going very stealth has so much appeal :)  I cant stop thinking about what life would be like if it was ALL GONE and I just got a nice little place all decorated and furnished in a feminine style and just leave it all behind for real... I donno as things move along I really do think more and more Id have no regrets letting it all go....

Its seems just doing all that and getting there would be even harder to pull off than the physical transition itself which has really been pretty easy so far ??? But the steps are getting bigger and bigger and I know SRS in in my near future....

I guess all I can do is keep at the physical transition, try to enjoy the ride and keep getting rid of things....
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