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how often if ever have you encountered any level of hostility for being trans

Started by stephaniec, April 13, 2015, 04:35:54 PM

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stephaniec

I've been pretty lucky so far , I've never experienced any level of hostility from anyone. I know about 20 years ago I was out at about 9 pm on summer night walking around in one  of my fab dresses and I was walking down a very long block in Chicago and coming from the other direction was this youngish kind of gang banger looking person and I said to myself oh! $$$$ and as he passed me by he just looked me over and kept on going. I do remember on one of my other strolls down the  streets of Chicago around the same time someone called me a ->-bleeped-<- , but I was wearing a dress with a man's coat over it because it was winter , so I'm not quite sure how he gendered me. I live in a quite friendly college town so it makes a difference.
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enigmaticrorschach

i'm a person people dont mess me because i bite back and i bite back hard. i remember this one time, i literally bite this kid's hand and made him bleed, so i dont get any hostility anymore for being trans or not.
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Zoetrope

Only ever from kids, but more of them are plain curious.

I have my head up, and I expect respect.

Confidence and attitude is everything. It's because I am positive (and bubbly) that people receive me well IRL.

That's all there is to it ..
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Lady Smith

I started living full time at virtually the same time as I started HRT so the first two years were pretty darn tough due to being basically a guy in a dress.  Catcalls from teenagers were very common, former workmates in the motor trade would twist their faces into a sneer the moment they saw me, but on the other hand there were some adults in the local community who were very kind and supportive.
Moving to another city did help a little, but again most of the problems were from teenagers.  I was pelted with stones once by half a dozen youths which is an experience I don't recommend.  It was while I was living in this city I was walking through a shopping mall when a teenager moved in close to say something hateful, I must've been having a bad day because I knocked him down with a classic punch to the jaw.  Not sensible at all really, but fortunately despite the horror on the faces of those passing by nobody called the Police.  I'm not at all proud of having done that (sigh).

Moving back to my hometown worked out reasonably well and I had few problems there.  There was a large population of people there who had come to live in New Zealand and of course there were Fa'afafine who had come over with them so there was perhaps more awareness in the community about gender difference.
Going back to school to train as a social worker was a good experience though for a time there was a pretty young blond woman from another course who always seemed to be hanging of the arm of her jock boyfriend who would openly laugh at me whenever she saw me.  Now punching her would have been no crime at all, but instead I did my best to ignore her and eventually she went away.

While working as a social worker I only twice had clients express repugnance at the idea of working with me.  Once while working in disability employment I was bailed up in the toilet by a mental health client holding his manhood in his hand due to the inattention of the male nurse accompanying him.  That was perhaps the most upsetting event I had to suffer during my professional career and it was largely caused by the belief that because I was trans the guy thought I'd have sex with him simply because he was breathing.
Mostly though to clients I was 'the tall Dutch lady' even though I'm not Dutch in the slightest.

These day living as I do in this quiet little country town people know me as the Sister from the local Catholic church and I really don't know if most of the locals know if I'm transgender or not because no-one has given me any cause to think otherwise.  Ah I tell a lie, this last Christmas past I had a guy from one of the local Pentecostal churches march up to me in the street yelling out at the top of his voice, 'You're a man, you're a man!  Wear men's clothes, not women's clothes!'  At first I was understandably surprised, but then I said to myself with a sigh, 'Idiot,' and carried on my way.
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Mariah

I haven't encountered any personally. Everyone has been great or just minded their own business and stayed out of mine.
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TracyCakes

No physical or verbal hostility here even when out at your typical straight guy sports bar. I have found that Phoenix is a pretty laid back place despite what negative media attention people see/hear.  For the most part, my experience has been that most people just really don't care and let you go about your business. 

I don't find this hostile, but I have had numerous guys hit on me at bars becuz they are "in to all that."  Into what, exactly?  Are you freaking kidding me? 
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Ellesmira the Duck

Quote from: SarahBoo on April 13, 2015, 04:48:51 PM
Only ever from kids, but more of them are plain curious.

I have my head up, and I expect respect.

Confidence and attitude is everything. It's because I am positive (and bubbly) that people receive me well IRL.

That's all there is to it ..
I have to agree pretty strongly with this. I often tell myself to walk around like I'm the big girl on campus (If I'm wandering around it's probably at my college =P)) and it seems to work pretty well. I strut around campus in a London Fog trench coat and just try to keep a good posture and confident or neutral expression and I've pretty much been left alone or ignored. I do think being around a college or college town does give a safer experience. More likely to have educated people/younger people, and those are the ones who tend to be hostile.
Live a life with no regrets and be the person you know you were meant to be.

I am a weird girl, I like video games and skirts, swords and nail polish, sharks and black lace...not sure if that's normal, definitely sure that I don't care. =P
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Ms Grace

Fortunately not. Living in a big city most people mind their own business and I avoid places where trouble might brew anyway - generally speaking I feel safe.
Grace
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suzifrommd

Occasionally in public someone will glare. I heard that a couple coworkers were badmouthing me. I also had a cousin declare his opposition to trans people transitioning.

But that's it. Definitely minor and inconsequential.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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stephaniec

Quote from: Lady Smith on April 13, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
I started living full time at virtually the same time as I started HRT so the first two years were pretty darn tough due to being basically a guy in a dress.  Catcalls from teenagers were very common, former workmates in the motor trade would twist their faces into a sneer the moment they saw me, but on the other hand there were some adults in the local community who were very kind and supportive.
Moving to another city did help a little, but again most of the problems were from teenagers.  I was pelted with stones once by half a dozen youths which is an experience I don't recommend.  It was while I was living in this city I was walking through a shopping mall when a teenager moved in close to say something hateful, I must've been having a bad day because I knocked him down with a classic punch to the jaw.  Not sensible at all really, but fortunately despite the horror on the faces of those passing by nobody called the Police.  I'm not at all proud of having done that (sigh).

Moving back to my hometown worked out reasonably well and I had few problems there.  There was a large population of people there who had come to live in New Zealand and of course there were Fa'afafine who had come over with them so there was perhaps more awareness in the community about gender difference.
Going back to school to train as a social worker was a good experience though for a time there was a pretty young blond woman from another course who always seemed to be hanging of the arm of her jock boyfriend who would openly laugh at me whenever she saw me.  Now punching her would have been no crime at all, but instead I did my best to ignore her and eventually she went away.

While working as a social worker I only twice had clients express repugnance at the idea of working with me.  Once while working in disability employment I was bailed up in the toilet by a mental health client holding his manhood in his hand due to the inattention of the male nurse accompanying him.  That was perhaps the most upsetting event I had to suffer during my professional career and it was largely caused by the belief that because I was trans the guy thought I'd have sex with him simply because he was breathing.
Mostly though to clients I was 'the tall Dutch lady' even though I'm not Dutch in the slightest.

These day living as I do in this quiet little country town people know me as the Sister from the local Catholic church and I really don't know if most of the locals know if I'm transgender or not because no-one has given me any cause to think otherwise.  Ah I tell a lie, this last Christmas past I had a guy from one of the local Pentecostal churches march up to me in the street yelling out at the top of his voice, 'You're a man, you're a man!  Wear men's clothes, not women's clothes!'  At first I was understandably surprised, but then I said to myself with a sigh, 'Idiot,' and carried on my way.
that's a lot of experience
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StrykerXIII

I had a guy at a walmart tell me he was gonna "kick my ->-bleeped-<- ass" while in line behind me...I turn around and he's got a cross on his neck and Jesus tattooed on both arms. Lit into him good for hypocrisy...wound up being removed by security because -I- was the aggressor, I was the one causing a problem. GOD'N'COUNTRY, YEEHAW.

And then there was the guy at one of my SO's former workplaces who was laughing, taking pictures with his cellphone, telling me I was gonna be a facebook star...managed to get that guy fired on the spot.

I've only actually engaged in self-defense over it once...back when I came out, my SO's stepdad called me every derogatory term under the sun, and then got angrier when he tried to tell me to get out of her life and I told him no. He told me he'd MAKE me leave, I told him I'd like to see him try, his wife begged him to stop, and, well, he got whooped.
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When the Stryker fires, all turn to dust in its wake.
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Emileeeee

Only from three people, my father and step-mother, and my next door neighbor. But they were all gay bashing, not trans bashing. None of them believed that I wasn't gay.
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Skier

Used to be regular, now mostly confined to the workplace and my family.
40 year old pre-op m2f, Irish ancestry, straight in orientation, begun my journey at 21 fully out.
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Jayne

My most recent experience of hostility was in my local supermarket, I had a group of young girls follow me around questioning my gender very loudly, when I entered the supermarket I was listening to my music but my batteries died & I didn't bother to take my headphones off, the girls kept crowding round me asking each other loudly "what is it, a man or woman?" & other vile stuff.
After a few minutes my patience ran out, I removed the headphones & informed them that my batteries had died & I heard every vile word they said, they instantly denied having said anything previously but launched into a tirade of abuse as I went about my shopping, one claimed to be on the phone top her mum so I held my hand out for the phone & asked to speak to her mum so I could inform her of this behaviour, the phone dissapeared into her pocket & I calmly informed her that she hadn't ended the call (the phone clearly wasn't on).
They then walked down the center of the store shouting that I was a "gaylord", "pervert", "peado" etc
I made a beeline for the security staff & asked that these girls be removed from the store & they were.

They then waited outside the store to continue the abuse when I left, I told them that their parents should teach them about manners & maybe their father should give them a clip around the ear, if they even knew who their father was, a complete stranger in his early 30's then joined in with a tirade of abuse becoming increasingly aggressive telling me that I should be ashamed of myself & deserved any abuuse I got for the way I dress.
After he had pushed me for the second time I told him that he should keep his nose out of other peoples lives & he asked me what I was going to do to stop him? He was ignoring anything I said & clearly wanted a fight so my response was to grab his nose tightly & slap my wrist hard, as the tears streamed down his face I informed him that my next move would result in the poolice being called & his nose being broken along with a few other bones whilst we waited for the police to arrive, his girlfriend then stepped in & dragged him to his car & they sped off.

Unfortunately my council flat is in a rough part of town, I normaly mange to talk my way out of situations but he was clearly winding himself up in preperation to fight so I decided to nip it in the bud, this time it worked but next time I may not be so lucky.

The group of girls trailed me three quarters of the way home shouting abuse, when I got home my last shred of self control abandoned me & I spent the next hour cuddling my dog crying.
I have returned to the store but only with my dog as a visual deterent against abuse & threats, my biggest fear however is that someone tries to get abusive even with Poopie there as he will protect me & could then be classed as a dangerous dog.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Jayne on April 15, 2015, 11:16:25 AM
The group of girls trailed me three quarters of the way home shouting abuse, when I got home my last shred of self control abandoned me & I spent the next hour cuddling my dog crying.

Hugs, Jayne. This is one of the worst situations I've ever heard. I hope you do manage to get them in trouble with the local constabulary.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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awilliams1701

In person the worst I experienced was a teenager recording me on his phone. I was dipping my toes into coming out at the time. I realized I had no choice since I wanted to come out on my terms and not his. So I outed myself and was surprised at just how much support I got.

I get more flak for it online in the comments sections of articles than I ever do in person (which is no surprise). I even told this one guy what a coward he was because he didn't even have a picture and I was more than happy to proudly show and talk about myself.
Ashley
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Jayne

Quote from: suzifrommd on April 15, 2015, 11:39:04 AM
Hugs, Jayne. This is one of the worst situations I've ever heard. I hope you do manage to get them in trouble with the local constabulary.

In the past i've gotten the police involved over any incident but this time I didn't, I just couldn't face having to relive the experience, it's why i've not visited Susans for over a month, I knew i'd end up posting the encounter & just couldn't deal with it I literally hid myself away & let them win.
The crazy thing is that I run an LGBT group & often advise people on how to deal with problems but recently struggle to take the very advice I dish out, several trans people in my group have had much worse experiences than me, my home town is not a trans friendly place.
It doesn't help that the typical outcome is that the police eventually respond with "we've checked local cctv & can't find enough footage/evidence to take things further"
Last year I gave chase to a group of men who assaulted me & the police said they couldn't find ANY cctv footage of the incident but asked me to keep an eye out & take a picture of them if I see them again, yeah...great idea
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Emileeeee

Quote from: Jayne on April 15, 2015, 11:16:25 AM
The group of girls trailed me three quarters of the way home shouting abuse

Omg. This is one of those things you worry about, but never actually expect to see it happen anywhere but in a movie. What they did goes way beyond bullying. It's criminal. Most times I'd let things go, but in this case I remain hopeful that karma the size of a freight train catches up with them, preferably in the form of someone else doing the same thing to them.
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Tessa James

I have had all kinds of negative experiences including being physically grabbed but it is a very tiny minority of my overall interactions with people who have continued to impress me with support, acceptance and at least tolerance.  Like many of you I believe our own attitudes of being confident, proud and unapologetic goes a long way.  I like to be approachable and know that helps to further our visibility and educational efforts even more than just correcting the misgendering of some.  I don't want to feed my fears so I use that "kill em with kindness" approach and being a happy girl it mostly works for me.   Still, i can also imagine visiting great wrath on those that perpetuate hatred and abuse.  I imagine sending some big cats, a trans person they can't resist, or maybe a dragon or two to inhabit their dreams. ;) ;D ;D
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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stephaniec

sorry to hear about that Jayne those are the things of nightmares
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