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Started by TracyCakes, April 23, 2015, 11:05:36 AM

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lostcharlie

Missed the show but my local paper had a short article this a.m. about the interview. Article positive in tone. In my opinion took a lot of guts to sit in front of the world and discuss it.......
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Ms Grace

Quote from: marsh monster on April 25, 2015, 06:48:16 AM
Quote from: FrancisAnn on April 25, 2015, 06:44:03 AM
The TV interview went well. I just hated to see her dressed all drabby, ugly clothes. She should have dressed nicer & more of a woman, not the old person. Also she should have been more open about her GRS & looking forward to a nice normal vagina. Overall it went well I think.
Actually, I'm glad Bruce stayed away from a lot of that aspect of transition, we need to get people's focus away from genitals.

Totally agree.
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Evelyn K

Quote from: FrancisAnn on April 25, 2015, 06:44:03 AM
The TV interview went well. I just hated to see her dressed all drabby, ugly clothes. She should have dressed nicer & more of a woman, not the old person. Also she should have been more open about her GRS & looking forward to a nice normal vagina. Overall it went well I think.

Not every transwomans perception of femininity entails wearing a dress and having GRS Francis.

Overall I was surprised at the dialogue, it was a professionally thought out and openhearted exchange. My fears of the interview being cynical and poking fun in order to test his cool (think John Oliver's interview with Snowden) was thankfully unfounded. I like the interviews added history elements of trans people and their struggles finding acceptance in society, it really helped strengthen our platform for increased understanding of who we are to the masses.

I think this is the year of our becoming, for transgender coming into its own. I really hope so.
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iKate

So I watched a good part of it before I just plain fell asleep, I was tired. But enough to draw a good conclusion.

It was mostly good and I feel that it is good for the community. In fact it is already good for me as I have friends who know texting me this morning saying how they finally understand what I went through.

I think with all the focus lately on young transitioners like Jazz and others, it is absolutely refreshing to see them focus on an older person and the struggle that we go through. I am not as old as ms Jenner but I have a life, two wives, kids and much of the same struggle. I don't have the paparazzi but I have people gossiping. In short we have different struggles from teens and kids and while we don't have high school we do have bullying and from adults it can be far worse. The difference is we have life behind us and a thicker skin.

As much as I am not a fan of Diane Sawyer for her other work I have to hand it to her.

However tabloids and TMZ will do their thing. Can't escape.
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iKate


Quote from: FrancisAnn on April 25, 2015, 06:44:03 AM
The TV interview went well. I just hated to see her dressed all drabby, ugly clothes. She should have dressed nicer & more of a woman, not the old person. Also she should have been more open about her GRS & looking forward to a nice normal vagina. Overall it went well I think.

I get why. She wanted to come out on her own terms. This is the butterfly moment. In many places I still present male because I'm not ready yet. Once I have my VFS, my hair grows a bit and my facial hair is managed to a point I'm comfortable with I will be confident in going full time. It's a psychological barrier too. I suspect Ms Jenner has much of the same to deal with. I wonder if she is also doing any surgery like VFS and GCS soon.
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rosinstraya

I've watched most of it..........

It seems odd that there was quite a long gap between the date of the actual interview and its being shown. I am guessing that she will next present openly in public as herself, as this was the last interview as Bruce Jenner. I would imagine the next interview would be fairly soon.

I did not know she had had 5 years on oestrogen in the '80s?! As well as electrolysis (aargh!) in many ways, despite all the celeb paparazzo bluster around her.........her story's not that different to many on this site.
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Ryan55

I actually think the interview went well and Diane Sawyer, did a good job. I was also afraid that this was going to be terrible, that they would turn this interview into a joke. I think what Jenner is doing is great for the trans community, you got this Olympic hero who is going through the same struggles as us. Kind of what he said in the interview, why would he go through with transitioning and going through this journey just for publicity. I also like how he kept saying sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.







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Tessa James

I agree that the Jenner interview will benefit the transgender community as millions were watching and now better informed.  Ms Jenner's well earned Olympic star power has terrifically increased transgender visibility even as they have been the subject of massive ridicule and hurtful media types. 

It would seem this situation is well choreographed and we can likely expect a major coming out as "her" TV event or series.  Bruce's answer to the orientation question may have been confusing to some viewers as he chose to call himself heterosexual when referencing his past life experience.  How they view their future seems to start with currently feeling "asexual" and we will likely hear more about that evolution.  We may yet hear that they will consider them self to be lesbian but that is their call.  I would love to see the suggested meeting and type of support Ms Jenner receives from GOP leaders Mitchell and Boehner. ;)  Wouldn't we love to be surprised by the GOP leaders announcing their support for a comprehensive LGBTQIA non discrimination policy for the USA!  We can dream along with Ms. Jenner of a day when hearts, minds and civil rights provide for all of us.

I appreciated the questions and comprehensive nature of the interview and supportive references and much of Bruce's experience resonated with me as a similarly aged girl.  I so recognized that point at which "I was no longer able to pull back the curtain" and hide my true self.  The rest is transition and personal growth.
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ana1111

ok well on a more positive note than my last post... I still see no posts about Bruce Jenner or the interview last night and what happened...how many of you actually watched it or knew what happened before this post? Thoughts
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Shawn Sunshine

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Vanny

I loved the interview and so did my wife.  Looked at me and said this is your story.  I said.  Hopefully some doubting spouses had their eyes opened last night.   He represented me and I think all of us well.    I believe this is a watershed moment in the transgendered world!  Thoughts?


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Tysilio

QuoteI actually think the interview went well and Diane Sawyer, did a good job. I was also afraid that this was going to be terrible, that they would turn this interview into a joke. I think what Jenner is doing is great for the trans community, you got this Olympic hero who is going through the same struggles as us. Kind of what he said in the interview, why would he go through with transitioning and going through this journey just for publicity. I also like how he kept saying sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.

I completely agree. It was much better than I was expecting, and I liked that Jenner didn't present as the ultra-femme stereotype of a trans woman which far too many people still hold. He (I will refer to him by male pronouns as long as that's his stated preference) seems to be doing his transition on his own terms, at his own pace, pretty much feeling his way into it, and I loved that he conveyed that so clearly.

It was nice, too, that ABC seemed to want the interview to be a "teachable moment" rather than something to exploit for its shock value. They presented a lot of basic information about trans folks in a way that (one hopes) made it accessible to people who are uninformed on the subject.

I also liked that they made a point of showing his family's love and support for him. OK, the Kardashians are pretty much a joke, but there was a real sense of family there, and it was great that they conveyed the difficulty of accepting and adjusting to what "Dad" is doing, as well as the kids' commitment to doing that.

Jenner isn't the brightest guy around, or the most articulate, but I thought he was inspiring in his honesty and thoughtfulness about what he's doing, and his desire to make his own process something which helps other people.
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ana1111

that for article was before the interview though and nothing was known or whether it was for sure
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suzifrommd

I think it was one of the best treatments of a trans person I've ever seen by the media. The highlight is when Bruce said he wasn't trapped in a man's body, it was his body. I loved that.

Bruce, you did good!  :eusa_clap:
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TracyCakes

My take is that the interview was great.  It sounded much like many of the discussions I have had with family and close friends over the past several months in my own back yard.  Almost word for word at times.   

While we all are certainly entitled to our own opinions, I was actually surprised to read some of the more negative comments.  I think we all should agree that while each one of our paths is similar, each is also very unique and personal.  I support anyone that is able to come out on his/her own terms, which is how I felt about the interview last night. She did it how she wanted to.  And for the delay, I think that she asked for it to be postponed due to the car accident which I think is totally a respectful thing

In my view she is much more a hero than ever.
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Christine Eryn

Quote from: rosinstraya on April 25, 2015, 08:54:42 AM
I've watched most of it..........

It seems odd that there was quite a long gap between the date of the actual interview and its being shown. I am guessing that she will next present openly in public as herself, as this was the last interview as Bruce Jenner. I would imagine the next interview would be fairly soon.

I did not know she had had 5 years on oestrogen in the '80s?! As well as electrolysis (aargh!) in many ways, despite all the celeb paparazzo bluster around her.........her story's not that different to many on this site.

The estrogen thing was quite shocking to me for the fact Bruce was still able to have children after! :icon_eek: And very beautiful children at that. I want my FFS surgeon to give me Kylie's nose and pouty lips! Bruce sure has produced some good looking offspring.
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: Vanny on April 25, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
I loved the interview and so did my wife.  Looked at me and said this is your story.  I said.  Hopefully some doubting spouses had their eyes opened last night.   He represented me and I think all of us well.    I believe this is a watershed moment in the transgendered world!  Thoughts?


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Sweetie recorded it. I don't know why, she didn't say. Neither one of us has watched it yet. What I've heard about it has been mostly positive, here and elsewhere.
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skin

17 million people watched the interview in the US alone.
"Choosing to be true to one's self — despite challenges that may come with the journey — is an integral part of realizing not just one's own potential, but of realizing the true nature of our collective human spirit. This spirit is what makes us who we are, and by following that spirit as it manifests outwardly, and inwardly, you are benefiting us all." -Andrew WK
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Adam (birkin)

I really admire his courage in coming out. I'm sure it was not easy whatsoever being in the public eye, and I'm sure it brought him a lot of turmoil until he reached the point where he was finally ready to do it.

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Jade_404

I know I will get a little flak for this but ... here goes.  :o I thought the interview was very good and to me the best part was that he did not spaz out about pronouns. Too many times I have seen or heard of Trans* persons doing us all a disservice by turning a pronoun mistake into a huge deal. Flying off the handle and being so focused on the he/she issue that it took away from the humanity of the situation. Sometimes making cis people completely unwilling to learn about and accept Trans*. I have a friend and he had in the past, friends who transitioned. He was concerned when I told him about my transition because as he said, "They are nut jobs". He respects me and so I dug deeper and it is because of these people flipping out about pronouns, this is why he said they were nuts.  He said that he was always carful to use proper names and pronouns but their other friend (who had all known each other since children) had slipped up a few times and their Trans* friend just lost it. To the point that none of her friends want to be around her anymore.

I love it when people say "she", or "her", Ma'am or Miss when referring to me. Makes me glow. Some of my friends will just never do it, they knew me as "him" for so long. I will never get mad at them or flip out, it just seems trivial to do so. Even with my Mom, who loves me very much. She just has a hard time saying "she" or "her" when referring to me. I called her to tell her she should watch the Jenner interview. She said "I don't know who that is, I don't watch TV... Besides I get to live my own transition story with you." I said "Yup, you get to see your own daughter emerge." She giggled nervously. I asked, "Does that bug you, saying I am your daughter?" She said, "No, its just weird hearing it, I love you no matter what!"  ;D

I do wish Bruce well, and I am glad that he is now open about this and the paparazzi and media can stop speculating.

Bruce can finally wear his nail polish until it chips off! Yay!

Much love to you all!

-Jade
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