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I just had surgery with Dr.Haben

Started by HouseHippo, May 22, 2015, 01:15:53 AM

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kwala

Quote from: HouseHippo on June 01, 2015, 12:49:03 PM
Thanks kwala, my recovering very fast at this point. I did have the "tripple" done because I used to smoke and felt that was my best option.

Edit: while I have the time i thought i should upload a two and a half week update. http://vocaroo.com/i/s0jkPN1qsG7D

Just listened to your recording- sounding very good already!  Thanks for sharing.
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anjaq

Hi, Dena

Your hearing issues of course do explain a lot. This makes it harder to do voice training, of course.

If your lower range is 80 Hz, it is a bass, yes - I was at 85 Hz by the way, making me almost a bass as well. But I am not sure if this affects so much the upper limits. As I said, even though I was also in the bass range almost, my upper limit was almost reaching the high C. I dont know the size of my larynx though except that it would be a fairly regular size for a guy. Is yours exceptional large by the examination of a voice doctor? If so, you may be lucky in one aspect, you could get a longer suture - 50% maybe, this would give you a bigger increase in pitch.

I think what happens above the 196Hz for you is that your voice would break into head voice or falsetto and for some reason you cannot do that. Is it known why that is and if it is related to your hearing impairment?

I dont know of course what the triple surgery procedure of Dr Haben will do. I can only speak about the glottoplasty, but for that it seems that it mostly changes your optimum pitch upwards - I am not entirely sure it would shift upwards your upper speaking limit. Someone mentioned that the CTA would do that however. As I said, the worst case I would fear and which you should talk about in a pre surgery consultation (ideally well before making a surgery date), would be if your voice is lifted up but you still have the cap at below 200 Hz, limiting your vocal range even more.


Quote from: Dena on June 04, 2015, 01:29:37 AM
Because I am working the voice so close to the upper limit, I suspect I am unable to generate the harmonics required for a fuller voice. You can try and experiment where you are at the upper end of your range and I suspect much the same will happen.
I think it is hard to compare, because at the upper limit of the chest voice I go into middle voice or head voice and in that I do have a different sound to it, I cannot really say which would be considered my upper limit. Of course if I use my total upper limit, I will sound very weird, as this is well beyond anyones speaking voice.

So my suggestions still are to see a different speech therapist or voice doctor to check your status and see if they can work on the upper range and head voice and get a consultation at the voice surgeon of your choice well before making a surgery date to talk about your special issues (hearing impariment, trouble with your speech, strong limitation of the upper vocal range) and if they conflict with surgery plans or if they can actually be resolved by it.
Be aware that your situation is not the same as common with patients of voice surgery who are reporting in this forum up to now.

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Dena

Quote from: anjaq on June 04, 2015, 11:03:43 AM
I think what happens above the 196Hz for you is that your voice would break into head voice or falsetto and for some reason you cannot do that. Is it known why that is and if it is related to your hearing impairment?
Because nobody told me how to do it. I was laying in bed last night and I played with my voice a little. The difference between my male voice and my current voice is that I tighten the area above my larynx. I was trying to power through in order to reach the higher notes and thus the pain. I left my vocal cords almost relaxed with light air pressure and I went between C4 and G4 after playing with the scale a little. What a joy it was to make those sounds!!! The problem is with C4 as my bottom, I am higher than I want to be with my voice. Never thought that would be a problem. I need to work with this a little more and see what I really have as about an hour of usage isn't enough to evaluate the voice.

As for the size of my larynx, I have little fat on my neck and I can feel it's size with my hand.

HH: For three weeks the voice is starting to sound pretty good. It is in the female range and complex enough not to sound mono tone.

I need to get moving for work so that's all for now.
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Cadence Jean

House, you sound incredible! I hope my results are just like yours!
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HouseHippo

Thanks for the positive feedback ladies! Cadence your surgery is coming up fast or did you have it two days ago :o?
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Cadence Jean

I have mine next Wednesday, the tenth! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE
to make more better goodness

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HouseHippo

That's coming up fast! I'm excited to hear about your experience and results.
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anjaq

Quote from: Dena on June 05, 2015, 07:52:45 AM
Because nobody told me how to do it. I was laying in bed last night and I played with my voice a little.... I left my vocal cords almost relaxed with light air pressure and I went between C4 and G4 after playing with the scale a little. What a joy it was to make those sounds!!! The problem is with C4 as my bottom, I am higher than I want to be with my voice.
Yay! I am happy for you. Thats how it should be - you have to stay relaxed and not force it and just let a little air flow and make the sounds. Doing lip trills helps a lot with that. and if you use air flow, you can also make that transition happen - the zone between the G3 and C4 where now there is no sound ... with training and exercises you can activate this, especially if you manage to use a mixed head voice and not a falsetto head voice. But one step after the other. For now, just play with those higher notes, softly and gently.
My opinion still is, you should get a gender specialized voice therapist and see what you can make of these higher notes and how to deal with the passagio between them. It halps a lot to be able to do all of these things before a surgery, as post op you probably will have to use that part of your voice sometimes as well...

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HouseHippo

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QleE69mEJY one month update. I over used my voice yesterday so I'm sounding a tad worse than I was.
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anjaq

Thats amazing. I must say I am a bit envious now... its so clear and clean and in a great pitch. Considering how my voice sounded after 4 months and even how it sounds now - this is pretty amazing...
I guess the multiple procedures done at the same time have a benefit.

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Dena

I want it!!! Yes it's a bit rough from the surgery but the pitch and sound quality are truly feminine.
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HouseHippo

Thanks for the positive feedback, ladies.
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Jennygirl

Sounds great! There is no way I could confuse the gender of your voice at all :) Congrats on your result!
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HouseHippo

Thank you :) Also thanks for sharing your results from your surgery. It's what originally got me interested in VFS.
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Jennygirl

Aw you are so welcome. I had no idea it would be such a hit in the community! But I'm glad it was, because at the time there seemed to be almost nothing- VFS had such a bad rep! Glad to see things turning around and that it seems to be helping a lot of people.
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anjaq

Yes - the bad reputation really was what kept many away from it for years. I read now several posts in this forum who are a bit negative again, too. I think what really would be a great hit and does not exist yet would be a proper voice training program directed at post VFS patients dealing with the special challenges. I feel the Yeson exercises are a start but seem to me to not be enough or directed only at one or two issues. My voice therapist is at a loss as to what to trainw ith me, so she basically treaty me like a patient with voice hyperfunction/hypertension. I saw Prof Remarcle has totally different voice exercises as well - the key seems to me to find a way to use the voice in a relaxed way, using a full resonance and let the vocal chords swing fully, but not use the old low pitch for that and also not snap into a weak head voice or falsetto.
It would be great if a voice specialist would look into such issues. I totally would book Sykpe consultations ;)

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Dena

Quote from: anjaq on June 12, 2015, 05:09:38 AM
Yes - the bad reputation really was what kept many away from it for years. I read now several posts in this forum who are a bit negative again, too. I think what really would be a great hit and does not exist yet would be a proper voice training program directed at post VFS patients dealing with the special challenges. I feel the Yeson exercises are a start but seem to me to not be enough or directed only at one or two issues. My voice therapist is at a loss as to what to trainw ith me, so she basically treaty me like a patient with voice hyperfunction/hypertension. I saw Prof Remarcle has totally different voice exercises as well - the key seems to me to find a way to use the voice in a relaxed way, using a full resonance and let the vocal chords swing fully, but not use the old low pitch for that and also not snap into a weak head voice or falsetto.
It would be great if a voice specialist would look into such issues. I totally would book Sykpe consultations ;)
I don't meant to be critical with this post but the german voice sample I heard of your voice sounded a bit higher than it needed to be in order to have that feminine voice. Among GGs a lower voice sounds richer than a higher voice. I am not sure if you are in the wrong range or not at the sweet spot in the range where the voice needs to be forced instead of being formed naturally. Middle C isn't a magic number and a voice lower that Middle C may be better for those of us with larger body sizes. If you would like to hear how well a low voice can sound, find a copy of "Yesterday Once More" by the Carpenters. If my voice could sound like that, I would be extremely happy. By the way, every voice on that recording is Karen Carpenter. That was one of the early recordings using overdubbing.
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anjaq

I think there was someone here from Scandinavia once who would be responsible for the precious :P ;)

Dana - I looked for these recordings. I am not a musician but I tried to match the pitch in the videos and the are not that low. A lot of it is in the range G3 to G4. There are female singers with a deeper voice for sure.

You are right in that a very high voice would probably not fit my real body as I am not tall, but big.

And yes - speaking too high as in the voice sample you mentioned (I dont know which it is, but I can imagine that there was one that fits your description) is not good either. Thats what I said - either I end up too low , force it too high, am in a zone that is weak or breaking - I have a hard time currently to find the right spot. Maybe its just the dreaded month 4 that everyone seems to have had, but I think generally it is quite a task to really find that "sweet spot" and manage to train it in a way so it becomes the new normal... so VFS definitely is no "fire and forget" thing at all...

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