Do I really look that manly and unpassable.? Got clocked twice today.

[Dena]

To be honest, I love the full body shot in long sleeves and you have a fantastic body however I do see the problem and it is the shoulders. They are so much wider that they catch the eye when the eye should be looking at your incredibly small waist. Now I suspect you are going to have more problems with women picking you out that men because women are more familiar with the female figure. I am not sure how to deal with it but a different color top and bottom might help. What ever you do, if shoulder pads come back in, don't use them. You might have better luck with something strapless than with thin straps as straps that narrow accent the width of your shoulders.
In any case, other than the shoulder issue, you have that look down and there isn't anything you can do to improve it.

After though, the hormones will pad out the hip about crotch level and below adding the appearance of mass in your lower body. This should offset the appearance of the wide shoulders and balance out your figure. Five week of growth isn't enough to make much difference in your figure yet but I suspect it will and may solve your problem as long as you are careful about thin straps. Even GGs know what works with their body and what they should stay away from. No woman can wear every fashion out there and I find some years the fashion have shifted to the point that nothing will work for me. Clothes last so long for me that I prefer a classic look that stays in fashion. You on the other had appear very young I can understand you wanting some a little more up to date but next time you try out fashion, look in the mirror at your shoulders first and then your hips. That will tell you what another woman will see.

[Obfuskatie]

And you can always dramatically roll your eyes, and sigh. Remember they're the jerk that got it wrong.
I couldn't quite tell from the photos, but clothes are essentially an elaborate rouse to draw attention to your assets and imply/accentuate an hourglass figure. Scoop neck and deep v-neck shirts tend to make your shoulders look smaller and elongate your neck. Cap-sleeve and strappy or tops with busy embellishments on the shoulders or chest draw attention to your breast and shoulder size or lack thereof. To me, it seemed like you are a bit too close to the camera, and that the clothes weren't as flattering as you might want. Skinny jeans are also problematic for those of us with narrow hips. On me, tops that flare at the bottom and flared/A-line dresses/skirts that break above or below the knee, and straight/boot cut jeans seem to be the most flattering.
If you're familiar with art concepts, the scoops and flares of clothing disrupts the lines of your body by making it less boxy. Women with ample hourglass features often wear clothes that deemphasize them. And some people wear maxi-dresses because they don't care about flattering their figure, as far as I can tell.

     Hugs,
- Katie
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[Beth Andrea]

Hmm...first of all, I am *so* jealous of your looks!

Before I transitioned, people told me I looked like Steven Siegal...now, after 3 years+ on HRT, I look like Steven with long hair and moderate "drag."

You are beautiful, and have a very good looking feminine body.

That being said, I will say that your profile pic on meet me does have a faint appearance of being trans...and after several minutes of looking at it and the others I still can't put my finger on it. Your profile pics look much more womanly (less/not trans), but your straight face shots don't.

That may be correctable by not facing someone (or the camera) directly, but just a bit to one side, while keeping good eye contact.

Be more coy.

[Eva]

Thank you. 

And no I was only clocked by my pictures. My personality/mannerisms/walk are all extremely feminine, and my voice sounds decently good considering I'm self taught and can't afford a voice coach.

Here's a couple other photos, including profile shots:

Well honestly your pictures appear to be on fetish side and an attempt to be "ultra fem" or the ideal woman for a "man"... Nothing wrong with that in my eyes either BTW but keep in mind that a MTF who can pull that off much less appear to be a 100% cis woman in pics or in person is pretty rare

[PsychedelicSage]

Well I was stupid enough to make a timeline of my transition and post it on ->-bleeped-<-.

Apparently I'm every bit as ugly and manly as I was before hormones. Did my hormones really make me so overconfident and deluded that I actually thought I was attractive?
I guess I was just so desperate to be attractive that I made myself think I'm attractive.
I still. Look like. A disgusting. MAN.

Well at least now I know not to take any pictures, talk to anyone, leave my house or show my face anywhere, go on social networking sites, or go on dating sites for at bare absolute minimum like four months. I'm not showing my face anywhere or contacting anyone until I'm passable. Bye everybody, see you in..I don't even know when. If I need FFS I won't be able to get it for literally  years, I can't afford that until I finish college.:/

[Valwen]

I think you look incredible, one thing to consider is that a woman looking for other women online is likely familiar with LGBT individuals and groups and is more likely to pick up on the minor signs that most would never notice. There is a transgender person who frequents a place I work at, most people have no clue, but I pick out little things, his hair cut, the layers of shirts often plaid, once when he was leaning over a table I could see the lines of his binder, most people who saw it would assume he was just wearing a tight t-shirt.

For his part even though I am still presenting male, he saw the way I talked, my pink shoelaces, my long hair and the nail polish and that was more than enough for him to know I am trans.

Now sadly not everyone uses there powers for good some will use that intimate knowledge to hurt others, in summary forget about those people your beautiful, vital and real.

--Serena

[Dena]

Stop that, you look great but like all of us you have to use the right appearance. With your hair pulled back and not cluttering your appearance up with other things, you are a classic beauty. I have moved around in society getting looks more for my hight than anything else and I don't look anywhere as good as you do. Take the time to do a few images of looks you like and let us be the judge. In addition your face will reshape with a small amount of fat in the right places. When I started I couldn't figure out who gave me my face. After a while I started to see some of my mothers face come out. I am not sure it's possible for us to pass 100% of the time so you have to get used to the fact someone might give you a look. What I always do is to put on a big smile and make that person disappear from my mind. I have never had a person so much as approach me (other than one airport security guard on a power trip) and if you remain calm, they will remain guessing. My problem in the early days was I went out with my roommate. She didn't pass as well as I did. We were also a Mutt and Jeff couple which drew stares. She would get unhinged and that just confirmed to the viewer that their guess was right. If you don't confirm it, they will never know.

I dress way down for my current job because for all I know, I could be opening up a septic tank that we are having issues with. I also ended up with the wrong hair cut which I am in the process of growing back out and that's one of reasons I haven't posted a picture of myself. I am sure some of the other people have guessed something about me but because I am fully comfortable and relaxed with myself, I am treated well by everybody. That is the hardest part of cross living you will have to deal with. You never know when somebody will read you but you can't live your life in fear of that happening.

[PsychedelicSage]

It's not just a couple of people who clocked me..

I had like all of ->-bleeped-<- saying I'm not passable and pointing out every single one of my flaws I was too blind and deluded to see. How my neck is too big, how ugly and masculine my face shape is, my five o clock shadow thst still shows even after piling on dermablend, how big and disgusting my shoulders are..

I've suffered for twenty years already. Now I have to suffer for at least one more, if I'm lucky and my hormones affect me fast and I don't need FFS. Which I won't even be able to afford until after I finish college in two years. if I'm even able to finish college.

God, if I look this much like a man I don't think I'll have the confidence or drive to make it through college. Thinking I looked like a woman was the only thing that gave me enough confidence to make me think I would be able to give presentations in class. since I still look like some ugly man the only way I'll even have the courage to talk in class at all is if I'm so inebriated that I'm numb.

To be honest if I have to look like a man I won't care about school or anything at all. Me thinking I was attractive and passable was the only thing that gave me the motivation to want to go to school or do much of anything.

As long as I look like a man, I am completely unlovable.because that's how it's always been for me.

If I have to look like a man, nothing is really worth doing. I'm every bit as ugly as I was before hormones.

I honestly have no clue how I'm going to keep it together until I'm passable.. me thinking I was passable and looked like a female was the only thing that made me enjoy life. But I was just some sad freak so desperate to be happy they tricked themselves into thinking they mattered.

I'm nothing but a "gay guy" that likes girls instead of men and that is how everyone will see me until I'm passable. If I'm ever passable.

[Mariah]

I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. I'm sorry that the response was strong a particular way. What I can tell you is you have a lot of potential. Clothing, hairstyle, makeup, eyebrows, and I could list countless other things play a role. Now that you had the feedback you had take a look at what you do to draw attention away from those things they named. All woman do this. We draw attention to our good features and try to draw attention away from those flaws in are looks at the same time. Good luck and Hugs
Mariah

It's not just a couple of people who clocked me..

I had like all of ->-bleeped-<- saying I'm not passable and pointing out every single one of my flaws I was too blind and deluded to see. How my neck is too big, how ugly and masculine my face shape is, my five o clock shadow thst still shows even after piling on dermablend, how big and disgusting my shoulders are..

I've suffered for twenty years already. Now I have to suffer for at least one more, if I'm lucky and my hormones affect me fast and I don't need FFS. Which I won't even be able to afford until after I finish college in two years. if I'm even able to finish college.

God, if I look this much like a man I don't think I'll have the confidence or drive to make it through college. Thinking I looked like a woman was the only thing that gave me enough confidence to make me think I would be able to give presentations in class. since I still look like some ugly man the only way I'll even have the courage to talk in class at all is if I'm so inebriated that I'm numb.

To be honest if I have to look like a man I won't care about school or anything at all. Me thinking I was attractive and passable was the only thing that gave me the motivation to want to go to school or do much of anything.

As long as I look like a man, I am completely unlovable.because that's how it's always been for me.

If I have to look like a man, nothing is really worth doing. I'm every bit as ugly as I was before hormones.

I honestly have no clue how I'm going to keep it together until I'm passable.. me thinking I was passable and looked like a female was the only thing that made me enjoy life. But I was just some sad freak so desperate to be happy they tricked themselves into thinking they mattered.

I'm nothing but a "gay guy" that likes girls instead of men and that is how everyone will see me until I'm passable. If I'm ever passable.

[Dena]

When people know what you are they can pick out every single flaw you have. Now if you put a picture of a GG up there and called her a MTF they would pick out every single flaw she has and declare her not passable. We will be truthful with you but people who have problems with the gender issues will not. I have been on political board defending the TS view point and seen some real bigots, you are better than that because you have an open mind and are becoming comfortable with yourself. They never will. Their opinion isn't valuable to you, only your opinion is valuable to you. They don't live your life, only you can do that. Don't let a group of small minded people stop you from what you need to do. Take the post on the social board down and live your life by your rules and not other peoples rules. I would give a lot for your looks but I will never have them so get it out of your system tonight and take a look at a new world tomorrow. If you haven't figured it out yet you will but for you the only way is forward.

[Katiepie]

Sweetheart, please don't let those comments discourage you. Most on ->-bleeped-<- are self-centered arrogant people that just have no sense or capacity for anything above themselves. I will say it again, that you look quite amazing, and beautiful.
You are after all doing this for you, not them. I know humanity or a lot of it, is unaware of the troubles we go through on a daily basis, as to not give them empathy toward us. But I will always suggest to stay positive, stay focused, stay you. Be who you are and don't change (poor use of this saying) but what I am trying to say is it is a challenging road we all have to endure, and with the right attitude you can and will overcome all of what the nasty will throw at you.
Another note; you will be able to make it through school and will be able to transition. Please don't give up on us, don't give up on you. For your life, you are important, only you will be able to make light, in what could seem an endless cavern of darkness. Stay strong.

Kate

[TerriT]

Pretty sure if I went to ->-bleeped-<- for a self esteem boost Id end up crying and wishing I was dead.

[Obfuskatie]

Well I was stupid enough to make a timeline of my transition and post it on ->-bleeped-<-.

Apparently I'm every bit as ugly and manly as I was before hormones. Did my hormones really make me so overconfident and deluded that I actually thought I was attractive?
I guess I was just so desperate to be attractive that I made myself think I'm attractive.
I still. Look like. A disgusting. MAN.

Well at least now I know not to take any pictures, talk to anyone, leave my house or show my face anywhere, go on social networking sites, or go on dating sites for at bare absolute minimum like four months. I'm not showing my face anywhere or contacting anyone until I'm passable. Bye everybody, see you in..I don't even know when. If I need FFS I won't be able to get it for literally  years, I can't afford that until I finish college.:/

Woah woah woah. There is nothing wrong with you or how you look. Cis women have just as many body issues as we do, and you are attractive. Hell, I wish I were as skinny as you, I just like sugar and cheese delivery systems like pizza too much to lose the weight easily. If you want constructive criticism, it's your unflattering camera and outfit that might benefit from slight modifications not you or your body. You're perfect the way you are. I work in special effects and I can tell when camera lenses are too small and distort the pictures they take. It's most common with fish-eye lenses and camera phones. Objects can be swapped, you are unique and it's better that way.
I'm jealous that you have taken steps toward accepting your being trans before you hit your 29th birthday, as it was for me. I get the dysphoria and body dysmorphia, I've dealt with both. NEVER RELY ON OTHER PEOPLE TO JUDGE YOU. Don't rely on yourself either until you've had enough therapy. Keep your goals present in your mind and as long as you work toward them, you can mitigate your depression, social anxiety, gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia. There is no such thing as normal or perfect, and passing can sometimes be just another way of going back in the closet. You are trans, and that's ok. If you look trans, that's ok. I would never characterize you from your pictures as manly or masculine. You don't look like a man and you are not ugly.

     Hugs,
- Katie
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[Jennygirl]

5 weeks into hormones. Give it some time to mold your body. Patience!

You were given a gift with that face of yours. Absolutely nothing to worry about. The last pic in the second group of photos you posted is beautiful. I really like your makeup, too. Keep up the great work and don't listen to the haters

[Eveline]

... Apparently I'm every bit as ugly and manly as I was before hormones. Did my hormones really make me so overconfident and deluded that I actually thought I was attractive?
I guess I was just so desperate to be attractive that I made myself think I'm attractive. ...

Honey, it's hard to keep things in perspective when you are beginning to transition. You don't have to hide until you are "perfect". In fact, this is a wonderful time to begin presenting as a woman, especially with your lucky genetics, but starting in "safe spaces".

I totally disagree with the ->-bleeped-<- crowd and think you will get much more balanced advice from the girls on this site. Why not try posting to the Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female? 4.0 and The official "You look fabulous, darling!" 6.0 topics with different looks, and try some of the suggestions you've heard here?

[BenKenobi]

Honestly the only worse place than ->-bleeped-<- to go to for that is 4chan. I don't visit either of those boards for a reason.

All you need is some patience. The hormones will take care of it, trust me. I'm a naturally estrogen poisoned dude. I'm stuck with it for a good few more months. I envy you being on Hrt now.

[Asche]

FWIW, cis women get "clocked", too.  So if you're being told that you look like a man and not a woman, you're in good (i.e., cis) company.

[iKate]

->-bleeped-<- and 4chan are the underbelly of the internet. Twitter is fast becoming it too, but to a lesser degree.

I only go there for official purposes such as gathering intelligence on upcoming hacking attempts.

[marsh monster]

I think a lot of trans people are going to get clocked more nowadays, whether they realize they are being clocked at the time or not.  with more education and articles about us, people will tend to pick up on us more often, even if years before you might have been perfectly "passable".

[synesthetic]

I read you as female without a doubt.

As hard as it can be, you can't focus on the douchebags out there. They're only out there to bring you down, and you don't have to deal with that. You look lovely, okay? ((hugs))