FFS and SRS in Thai..

[munni.cute]

Ru an Indian? Why were u in Bangalore before?

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[munni.cute]

Will add u in Skype for sure dear. So sweet of u

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[Naeree]

Ru an Indian? Why were u in Bangalore before?

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No, I'm Thai but I studied at college in Bangalore University 13 years ago. We didn't see much Trans (Hijra) back there. And I was still not transition yet. I guess there are more trans in Bangalore now a day. I wish I get a chance to wear Sari some day.

[munni.cute]

Great.... I will help u out with saree once... I am also trying out a job in Thai as your country is transfriendly. Let's see how the things will work with me.

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[Laura_7]

I wish I get a chance to wear Sari some day.

You can start right now... its quite easy...




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[Naeree]

Sari is very expensive in Thailand. And what amazing about Indian Sari is Indian ladies still wear it in daily life, so unique. One of the few countries that people still wear traditional cloth in daily life

[Laura_7]

Sari is very expensive in Thailand. And what amazing about Indian Sari is Indian ladies still wear it in daily life, so unique. One of the few countries that people still wear traditional cloth in daily life

Well you can easily make one yourself, or have it made.
You need a cloth of width to the waist and a length of 5,5-8 mtrs. You can have a border decoration added to half of the borders, or all around.
A cloth in a plain colour is very attractive.
You might try using a string or a belt instead of a petticoat.

Well you might also try for everyday use... or at least for some time of a day...
maybe people simply think you are from india 

[Naeree]

Well you can easily make one yourself, or have it made.
You need a cloth of width to the waist and a length of 5,5-8 mtrs. You can have a border decoration added to half of the borders, or all around.
A cloth in a plain colour is very attractive.
You might try using a string or a belt instead of a petticoat.

Well you might also try for everyday use... or at least for some time of a day...
maybe people simply think you are from india 

Yeahh, I should try DIY Sari. This remind me of when I was young like 8, when nobody home, I always use the bed sheet to lap around me make it a dress  and walk around the house ^__^

[Laura_7]

Yeahh, I should try DIY Sari. This remind me of when I was young like 8, when nobody home, I always use the bed sheet to lap around me make it a dress  and walk around the house ^__^

Yes 
Imo its much more fun. You can choose the cloth, adornings and linings, and can work on it while envisioning how it will look like.
That way its much more fun.
Ready sarees are a bit more pricey because they are all pre stitched, like a gown.
But it can be fun to wrap a sari, and you not necessarily need a petticoat. If you use solid cloth (not see through) you are free in your choice.
Its also possible to stitch pieces in place if its worn this way often.

Here is a tutorial on how to make one:
http://happiestladies.blogspot.de/2013/07/how-to-make-sari.html
There is a picture included with borders. Basically you need a plain cloth and if desired some kind of border.
Too much adornment is not necessary imo.
If its not possible to find a cloth two bed sheets sewn together can also do.
Concerning length its possible to use a length of up to 8 mtrs. This way the bengali style draping can be used, which can also cover the head for example.
In larger crowds it can be relieving and give some feeling of protection.
In bengali style a longer piece of cloth is draped over the left shoulder and brought back up under the right shoulder, and finally placed over the right shoulder. No special blouse is necessary this way.

[maquillage]

Hi, I'm Thai transsexual. The price you get offer is in the price range of a really good surgeon. There are cheaper one with the really nice job. Let me know what hospital you contact. Or if you like to talk with someone local, you can feel free to add my skype at naeree.song

Hello Naeree! I'm really interested in Thai FFS doctors other than Suporn and Chettawut. I'm Asian, and I notice that most of Suporn and Chettawut's patients are westerners. I feel like Thai trans must have their own favorite doctors, but since I don't know Thai, I can't find out about them. My main area of concern is forehead.

It would be very helpful if you PM me about the other FFS options in Thailand (price not an issue). It'd be such a big help!

[maquillage]

Hi Naeree, long overdue but thanks for the PM! I couldn't reply as I don't have 15 posts yet, so I wasn't sure how to respond... so I guess this is the only way.

I'm interested in Kamol! Does he do type 3 foreheads? His write up on foreheads is a little hard to understand, and from the drawings he seems to prefer implant and shaving of brow?

I'm actually interested in the other procedures offered at the clinic too. Small things, like the slimming treatments and laser. I think it's a good way to test the service and skill of his staff.

[Naeree]

Hi Naeree, long overdue but thanks for the PM! I couldn't reply as I don't have 15 posts yet, so I wasn't sure how to respond... so I guess this is the only way.

I'm interested in Kamol! Does he do type 3 foreheads? His write up on foreheads is a little hard to understand, and from the drawings he seems to prefer implant and shaving of brow?

I'm actually interested in the other procedures offered at the clinic too. Small things, like the slimming treatments and laser. I think it's a good way to test the service and skill of his staff.

For most FFS surgeries include forehead and brow area, is more individual, some may need to shave some may need augmentation. Most surgeons will able to tell you what you need and what they can create for you and what is a best fit technique that should be use in your particular case. For the procedure there are common procedures of forehead like brow reduction, brows lift, brows contouring, Forehead augmentation or Forehead contouring or reconstruction which is type 3 as you mention.

Kamol is a good one for FFS, some of my friend get surgeries with him and they got the beautiful work. Anyway, if you like to talk, you can contact me at my email naeree.s@gmail.com or my Skype : naeree.song

[maquillage]

Thanks Naeree... but do you know anyone who did this type of forehead reconstruction (see video)?

It's where the sinus gets set back so the male forehead achieves a female range entirely, without the need for augmentation.

Every before and after photo on Kamol appears to be augmentation + shave. Personally I do not want augmentation.

If he does do what I want, I'm curious about his approach for type 3 forehead. Some surgeons differ and modify the technique slightly.

On his website, all the English information I can find is this:

"Procedure 3 :  Forehead bone contouring is a bone depression at the outer table of frontal bone in front of frontal air sinus. The procedure is preserved for those who have prominent forehead bone and deep set eyes."

[Naeree]

I know, sometime Thai hospital website have confusing details right, that may be because sometime the one who wrote and do the website are the hospital staffs. And many times two different hospitals have different names on the same technique...

From the video, that is one of the common brow and forehead shaving procedure. And yes, most good surgeons in Thailand do that. And different surgeons have slightly different skill on performing, cause doing this involving artistic skill of the surgeon as well. Also depend on how your forehead and brow condition is, some have thick some have thin one. Mostly surgeons will be able to reduce the brow by 4-5 mm. from what I seen.

And for the augmentation, it's depend on individual cases, some need to lower the brow and increase the forehead, some just need to lower the brows and a bit of forehead shaving. In you case if you just need to lower the brows include sinus bone and shave the forehead then surgeons will not do augmentation. You can tell surgeon on what you need and what you don't need and your expectation on the outcome. With Kamol experiences, I think he can do what you need, forehead and brow shaving without augmentation.

And the sample photo of past work, mostly hospital will publish few picture on their website. Usually they will show you the sample that match your need during consultation.

[Lagertha]

From the video, that is one of the common brow and forehead shaving procedure. And yes, most good surgeons in Thailand do that. And different surgeons have slightly different skill on performing, cause doing this involving artistic skill of the surgeon as well. Also depend on how your forehead and brow condition is, some have thick some have thin one. Mostly surgeons will be able to reduce the brow by 4-5 mm. from what I seen.

A presented technique in a video is not a shaving procedure. Its "type3" reconstruction surgery with frontal sinus bone plate removal and set-back. Its not a standard nor common procedure, and very few surgeons are properly trained to do it, worldwide. Surely there are plastic surgeons who are also willing to do it, although most often reluctantly, and prefer to avoid it and talk the patient out of it. Reason for that is they are not trained and they dont have the necessary skills for performing such surgeries. Its not a problem if everything goes as planned and desired, the problem is when it doesnt, and they dont have the skills to resolve it. This is why this procedure should be left to surgeons who have appropriate knowledge and skills in craniofacial surgery. And there are not many of those. The problem is that patients have started to ask for it because the information has spreaded with internet, and some plastic surgeons will -although reluctantly- take the money and attempt to do it, despite the fact that they dont have the training required to do it safely.

[maquillage]

@Naeree

Ah, that's not just the simple brow shaving (a lot of surgeons do that, I know)... From what I researched, many surgeons can shave the bone down, but not a lot can do a proper type 3 forehead reconstruction.

The key point and most important aspect I am looking for is on 0:50 (of video), where they cut out the front bone of your sinus and take it out, then reshape it, then put it back with titanium screws to secure it in place.

A simple shaving may not be enough if someone has thin bone and a big sinus (air pocket).

Just so we know we're on the same page... if someone wanted her forehead to be at the red line, what technique would be used? Notice the red line intersects a hollow sinus cavity.

[maquillage]

A presented technique in a video is not a shaving procedure. Its "type3" reconstruction surgery with frontal sinus bone plate removal and set-back. Its not a standard nor common procedure, and very few surgeons are properly trained to do it, worldwide. Surely there are plastic surgeons who are also willing to do it, although most often reluctantly, and prefer to avoid it and talk the patient out of it. Reason for that is they are not trained and they dont have the necessary skills for performing such surgeries. Its not a problem if everything goes as planned and desired, the problem is when it doesnt, and they dont have the skills to resolve it. This is why this procedure should be left to surgeons who have appropriate knowledge and skills in craniofacial surgery. And there are not many of those. The problem is that patients have started to ask for it because the information has spreaded with internet, and some plastic surgeons will -although reluctantly- take the money and attempt to do it, despite the fact that they dont have the training required to do it safely.

Thank you. You said what I was starting to suspect, or had a feeling about (but couldn't quite put it into words). I will definitely be more cautious.

[Naeree]

Well, if your talk about surgeons qualification, Kamol, Suporn, PAI, they are one of the world most experiences in FFS. They are more leading in these kind of knowledge. I think you can find their qualification easily. And I don't think they will -although reluctantly- take the money and attempt to do it. These surgeons are rich and quite straight forward, they would tell you straight up if they can not do it. Or there are too much risk.

I'm not really sure how it work in other countries, but in these Thai top surgeons doing Type 3 Forehead is perform to many cases. (The reconstruction by remove the Sinus bone, reshape it and put it back with titanium plate.) What I suggest is try send your face photo to surgeon for assessment, tell them that what you want and tell them how much you expect to reduce your brows , forehead and sinus bone. I can assist you on that, you can specify that you want type 3 forehead technique. And then you will know how surgeon evaluate you and what technique they think it is best for you to have your desired outcome. So you can use that for your decision.

In Kamol website, they mention ""Procedure 3 :  Forehead bone contouring is a bone depression at the outer table of frontal bone in front of frontal air sinus. The procedure is preserved for those who have prominent forehead bone and deep set eyes."

, but Suporn's website have quit clearly explain on this procedure. http://www.supornclinic.com/restricted/ffs/ProcedureDescriptions/ForeheadReconstruction.aspx

[Jaiden986]

Im glad you found some happiness

[StephanieMI]

kira,
Who did your voice surgery and how did it turn out?

Take care,
Stephanie