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Started by Caduti Morte, May 29, 2015, 11:38:06 AM

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Caduti Morte

I need help, advice, I am not sure what I need to be honest.

I know I have told my story before but I feel I need to tell it again. It will be long, so I am sorry. Please read it though, because I am so confused.

I was born female. I have two older brothers, I am the youngest child, and I am currently 23. I was sexually abused growing up for 6 years (ages 7-13). I mention this because I don't actually feel this has anything to do with my gender identity though it might have a lot to do with me being asexual.
I don't have many memories of myself growing up. I can't remember if I felt 'girl' or felt 'boy'. I know I hung out with both boys and girls, though as a younger child  I believe I mostly that I must of hung out with boys. This is a belief brought on by being told I was a tomboy by daycare teachers. I remember being excited, I remember telling girls I couldn't hang out with them because I was a tomboy. I remember telling my dad and getting yelled at. I got told only dykes are called tomboys. I remember crying. I knew I was a girl, I just also liked the thought that I could be a boy as well. I was 5 around that time. In elementary school I was a bit of a weird kid and was rather violent. Some what as a bully, somewhat be caused I liked to rough house. I wanted to be liked by both boys and girls. I didn't see a difference though I knew we used separate bathrooms. I didn't really understand the reasoning behind this. I didn't know boys stood to pee. In tenth grade I started forming crushes on boys and thought that if I liked the same things they did then they would like me too.
I wasn't allowed to play sports though. My dad didn't think girls should play sports. In knew this to be bull->-bleeped-<- because their were girls on my brothers' teams. So I played soccer at recess at school. I loved it even if I wasn't to great. Next step was joint my class's basketball team that had games during recess. I sucked. "I'm just like all these other girl" was my thoughts.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I didn't ever thing that in wasn't a girl. I had mostly friends who were girls. I was better at socializing with girls, though I did have male friends. I wanted to wear makeup like other girls, and shave my legs, and other things as well. I was actually upset that I started growing leg hair because I didn't realize girls were suppose to. I wanted to be like the popular girls though i quickly realized that I wasn't like them. I envyed the tomboys and the girls who dressed like boys. I would of never been allowed to do such things.
Puberty was a mixed bag. I didn't mind boobs at first, though i got uncomfortable when people noticed them. I was excited to learn that some boys had boobs and I felt a little better. That was a theme in my life. I rejected a lot of girly things but felt better once I knew boys could have them or like them too, like the color pink. My period was something I didn't think I would get nor did I want. But when I did have it I used it as a way to feel closer to the girls in my class. Having my period upset me, I remember being welcomes into womanhood and just thinking that I didn't want to be a woman. I was also upset that my voice didn't crack like my brothers, in saw it as a right of passage that I wouldn't be able to experience.

When i moved in with my mom and started a new school things changed. I had no friends and didn't fit in well. My old middle school and the new middle school had to different cultures it seemed. What friends I thought I had were just using me to get close to my older brother. Around this time I started wearing a hoodie. It was school rules that boys and girls had to tuck their shirt in. I hated that. Tucking my shirt in made me feel fat, which I was. So I wore a hoodie to get around that.

High school was a tough them. I had some friends but they hung around a group of girls who picked on anyone who was a virgin and/or awkward. I was depressed. I would just look in the mirror and hate myself. I didn't go out much unless it was to.hang with my aunt and go to my cousins games. I always felt awkward in public.
At some point I started hating myself. I could chalk it down to being fat. For being to tall. I had having boobs and wanted breast cancer so that I could have them off. I had a thyroid issue and grew facial hair, though I shave it made me anxious to go out in case people noticed. I didn't feel like I was like other girls, but I didn't feel like I wasn't a girl. I kept thinking about how when I was 14 and I learned about trans men. I had actually thought itnwas pretty cool, but because I didn't want a dick I thought I couldn't he one. At 16 I was questioning again because of my facial hair and slightly male snapped face. I kept thinking that if I was going to have male features then why couldn't I just of been born a boy. I really wished I had been born a boy, I thought I would of been happier. I wouldn't feel so much pressure to be feminine or feel bad about being pretty, because I had yet to meet a ugly boy. I told myself self esteem issues was not a legit reason to want to be a boy, especially when there were people who were actually suffering.
Thank god for the internet. At 16 I really got into online gaming. I never used a male avatar because I thought it would be lying. I made a couple of friends and eventually we started using voice chats while playing. It took me forever to actually talk. I told them I didn't like my accent but really I thought I sounded to much like a boy and that they would pick on me. Thanks to these friends I found my way out of my depression. I also ended up becoming closer to my brother through gaming and anime. I decided not to drop out of high school because of them. In 11th grade I met my best friend and that helped a lot as well. She was weird and goofy and loved anime and Japanese culture. I started hanging out with her after school and I wasn't so focused about my looks. I still had a desire to wear men's clothing but I was ashamed to admit it. I have a problem with being seen as a lesbian, butch, or crossndresser. My wardrobe boiled down to tee shirts and jeans and capris.
My last year of high school wasn't so bad. I had one class where a girl picked on me because my boobs were large and saggy. I couldn't afford a proper bra. I had my boobs, I couldn't stand to look at myself naked and the thought of anyone else doing so made me nervous. I wouldn't even change clothes if my mother was in the room.
The last half of my senor year was actually great. Though I admit that I was jealous of this one boy because he was a gay guy. Being a gay guy seemed so more appealing than a straight girl.
After high school I had my gallbladder removed due to stones. Health issues started up after that. While I was often fatigued my depression pretty much disappeared.  I didn't have a job and wasn't in college. I spent a lot of time at my aunt's or at home on line.
I took up online roleplaying, any member of gaiaonline knows what I'm talking about. I played girls at first. After all I was a girl so it should be easy. Then I was asked to play a boy, I agreed but warned I might suck. I didn't suck and I actually enjoyed being a boy more than I did being a girl. I known it doesn't mean much, but I can't help noticing how much I enjoyed playing a boy.
The next few years would be taken up my health issues and feeling confident since I started losing weight.
When I was 20 I started a technical college. College was so much better than high school, not as many immature people. I enjoyed it actually, though public speaking was a bitch. When I was almost 21 I was diagnosed with celiac disease and had to go on a gluten free diet. I really started losing weight and felt more confident about myself. I went out and bought new tees and capris. The Tee's showed clevage with disturbed me but I figured I would get use to it. In the end I only wore the shirts once or twice. I said it was because losing weight had caused me to have lose flappy skin under my arms.
When I was 22 I went to an anime convention with my friend. I put on some make up, my cargo Capri, and a hoodie that his my boobs. I also had on a short blue wig styled in a boy cut. I never really had short hair. I remember being blown away by how much I liked myself as well as thinking "wow I look like a guy." Which I liked.
I started questioning my gender after that. At first I didn't really think it possible. I found the word gender fluid and thought that had to be me and left it at that. A few months later I started looking into it more. I cut my hair and I liked it though I still looked like a female. I bought boy shorts and loved them. I bought a binder and I love it as well. I started looking up stuff about HRT and top surgery. For some reason I thought it was what I wanted. I just really wanted to be a guy. It all I could think about. It felt right. But I knew I didn't always feel like a guy. So I was back at gender fluid but that didn't feel right.
I have tried to take a step back and go to the way I was but I always end up thinking about it. I just no longer can see myself as female. When I look in the mirror i see a very boy looking person and I love that. But I feel that I have very little dysphoria. I also don't like leg hair. I have learned that I don't mind ficial hair though it looks out of place on my face and I can not go out in public with out shaving. I still go by female pronouns and don't mind them much. But I do want to try male pronouns though I feel like it would he awkward to ask. Besides, everyone knows that I was born female. No matter what i do I can't change that. I really wish I had been more male. I keep thinking that if I look more male then I will feel more male, and that is all I really want. I don't even know why I want this but it is all I am obsessed about.
But I have doubts and worries. I don't want to transition because of the wrong reasons like self esteem issues or fat issues. I don't want to regret it either. I don't look at a female body and want to look at it, but i don't way a male body either. Guess I want something in between. I just want to be me and I guess in feel I can't be that as a female. One thing I know is that in have tonnage my boobs removed. The thought of always having them is depressing, but at the same time they are all I know.
I don't know what is wrong with me.
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Tessa James

 "Guess I want something in between. I just want to be me and I guess I feel I can't be that as a female."

Lots of history but those statements seem the bottom line?  You have the ongoing opportunity to define yourself and there may not be a playbook, mentor or pathway that has your name on it.  Many of us will continue to have doubts and resets along the way and they again are opportunities to reassure ourselves or choose other priorities.  You seem to be answering your own questions by describing what makes you feel good.

In our modern culture boobs are synonymous with female sexuality and identity.  We are saturated with them displayed everywhere as a commercial come on of one kind or another.  I want mine to grow while you want yours to go, what irony, if common here ;)

The old narratives have been based on stereotypes for too long and I hope you will write your own future, one that fits you.  It seems more young people are looking outside the boxes and labels for answers.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Metroland

Caduti,

I was very entertained reading your post and it reminded me of myself.  I am male bodied and I identify as non-binary.  I love this term.

I also benefited immensely from the internet.  I even believe that it has saved my life.

As for physical change I am not quite sure about it.  I am somehow more accepting of my male body and I doubt I would want to have SRS.  I would like to have something modified in my genitalia but I don't know what now.  I would love to go on HRT however I live in an area which might not facilitate that.  I would like to soften my male features, such as voice, body hair... etc.

I also got depressed while I was in school, however unfortunately that hasn't changed much.  I had some periods of relief however it would come back often.

You mentioned that you are asexual.  You have never been attracted to anyone?

Take care.
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Laura_7

You could have a look here for a few thoughts that might help you:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,188309.msg1674885.html#msg1674885
Its for a mtf person so a few things are the other way around...

Questions to ask could be:
would you like a bit more male body to be a bit more happy?
And you don't have to identify as male all of the time.

How would you like to be perceived ?

You might start with easy reversible steps, like changes to hair and clothing style.
and see how it makes you feel... I'd say go with a feeling of joy....
sweaters in darker colours might be an idea because they might help make a surface look a bit more even...
well I'd brighten up other parts of the clothing to help with mood and an overall more colourful impression...

take the time you need but keep at it... this all is a process... try to have some fun along the way...

and you might look for support groups. There might be some transgender support groups, even specially for non binary people.


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Caduti Morte

Addressing the last post first.
I actually have been taking some reversible steps. I got a hair cut and bought some shorts. Luckily all but a small handful of my shirts are unisex, and it is my firmest belief that all socks are unisex xD. As well my shoes were already men's. I also bought a binder that I have only worn twice because it is damn near impossible to get into, but once in it I don't want to take it off but have to because it can hurt after a while.

I like the feeling of these changes. I don't really know what gender I am and I'm tired of trying to find a label. I do know that sometimes in the morning I will close my eyes and run my hair through my new short hair and imagine that I'm a guy. I look at my shorts and the way they are with my shirt and still have that sense of being a guy. I like these feelings and unlike these changes. My haircut has made my face appear more male like. Sadly, the mirror still shows a girl, or a shaft face teenage boy at best. Boobs are there to, which completely ruin how I feel I should look in my clothes.

I don't know if a more male like body would make me happy. I would like to think it would, or that it would make me feel man like. Constantly running through my head are the thoughts 'I don't want to be a woman' followed by 'I want to be a guy' Kind of like a kid might say. I've had several times in my life where I've though that I didn't want to be a woman, I never asked to be, and some twist of fate decided I was to be born on. But I don't know if wanting and not wanting are enough to be.

On how I would liked to be precieved. I don't know. I am rarely out amount other people. I've never been mistaken for a boy except once and then my aunt was there to correct the person. Unwanted to be seen as a boy at the time so I rather enjoyed that I was mistaken for one. But I am so use to female pronouns, I am unsure how I would react to male ones. As well I doubt anyone would see me on a male. I am to afraid to ask my famle to use male pronouns and my male name. I don't want to be come the family joke.

The link was helpful even if it was mtf. I could relate a lot. The one thing I don't really relate to other trans people on is dyshporia. I don't believe I have any, or I don't think I do. It is a cause of great doubt for me.

As for support groups. I live in South Carolina so I'm not sure how many their are. There is a group at the university in the next town over but with out a car I have no way of getting there. It is the same problem I have with getting a job and going to a therapist. There is only one car in the family and it is needed to take my mom and brothers to work.
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Caduti Morte

And for person who asked if I was asexual. I have had crushes on boys when I was between the ages of 9-13 all of them on friends or people I have known for years. I never acted on them. When I moved to a new school I didn't develops an attraction for anyone. As well I came go realize sex was not appealing to me. I find it unnesscary for a relationship.
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Mariah

Not everyone who questions their gender has dysporia. Each of us is different. I wouldn't let the lack of that bother you just because it doesn't fit with the traditional assumed things about all of us who are transgendered. Therapy will help you sort through this. Good luck and Hugs
Mariah
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.
[email]mariahsusans.orgstaff@yahoo.com[/email]
I am also spouse of a transgender person.
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Metroland

Caduti,

Got it.  And those boys where in your class or older or younger?

My brother is grey-sexual so I kind of understand when you say that you don't feel like sex is necessary in a relationship.

I describe myself as an androphile for lack of a better term.
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Caduti Morte

They were in my class with only one being older than me. Just kids i played with a lot
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Caduti Morte

I know dysphoria isn't a requirement. I just feel it would make it easier to know for sure.
I just worry I'm faking it or something of the source. I mean who is born a girl, fine with for a while, then grow to be a man.
And I keep making the mistake of going on tumblr. Where you have such things as otherkin, fictionkin, and such that keep getting lumped into transgender. Makes it all seek like a joke.

I try to come out to some people and express my desire to transition but when I speak it I know it sounds crazy.
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Laura_7

#10
Usually Cis people do not question their gender, apart from a little curiousity.

And, well, there are more and more transgender people. People get used to it slowly.


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sparrow

Caduti... a lot of what you say resonates with me (and your name fits my avatar! :D).  I don't really feel "entitled" to the female identity (my therapist calls this "internal transphobia" since I think anybody else who wants it is so entitled).  I don't see myself as being "male" anymore, either.  I don't want the awkwardness of changing pronouns.

Mostly, I want to say eff it all, I'm done with gender.  I'm gonna try the "men can express femininity" thing on for a while and see how that fits.  The biggest lesson I've gotten from the trans people I've met is to have some patience with the label thing.  None fit right now.  Maybe none ever will.  And if one fits for a while... that may change.

You are more important than words.   Learn to be you, and then describing yourself will become easier.
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Mariah

I can understand that and appreciate that fact, but please never feel like you need to live up to any standard to be something. It's true things like that can make it seem like a joke, but it's not and the big key in your case is the fact your gender is in question and that's it. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: Caduti Morte on May 30, 2015, 01:27:26 PM
I know dysphoria isn't a requirement. I just feel it would make it easier to know for sure.
I just worry I'm faking it or something of the source. I mean who is born a girl, fine with for a while, then grow to be a man.
And I keep making the mistake of going on tumblr. Where you have such things as otherkin, fictionkin, and such that keep getting lumped into transgender. Makes it all seek like a joke.

I try to come out to some people and express my desire to transition but when I speak it I know it sounds crazy.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.
[email]mariahsusans.orgstaff@yahoo.com[/email]
I am also spouse of a transgender person.
Retired News Administrator
Retired (S) Global Moderator
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Caduti Morte

things below is just me thinking out loud, need somewhere to write out my thoughts are they bounce around my head and drive me crazy

I think I tend to over think things at times. I ponder over things constantly till I grow numb towards the subject and push it to the back of my mind. This has happen with my gender several times. Starting when I was 14 and first learned exactly what a transgender person was. Again when I was 16 and wished I had been a boy so that boy male-ish features wouldn't seem so out of place as they were on a female body. And then again when I was 22, this time it lasting 7 months and is still going on. I can't help but think that if it was a simple phase that it wouldn't keep coming back, each time a little bit stronger than the last. At 14 it was doubt and the conclusion that I couldn't be. At 16 it was simply a wish, a wish to have reason behind why I felt the way I did, like I was simply faking being a girl and failing the performance, but I was to feminine and while the thought of being born a boy was nice I didn't exactly feel like a boy. So I told myself that in the next life I would definitely be born male, and then I focused on other things other than the fact that I hated myself. With trying to fix the mess that was my high school GPA and then taking care of health problems for the next few years, it was pretty easy thing to do. I don't know why dressing up as a guy and looking in the mirror made me happy, but it did. It felt right enough for me to question everything. Slowly at first. Thinking perhaps I was gender fluid, because there was just no way I could be a full blown transgender person, or that transition was something I needed. I was not unhappy with my life, and I was under the impression that all trans people were unhappy, it was the only story that I knew. Then looking more on it I no longer felt that gender fluid fit. My gender waxed and waned, but it never really flowed. I searched for other other labels. Demi-boy, bi-gender, transmasculine. Masculine, male, boy. My brain seemed obsessed with finding a label that proved that there was a hint of manliness in me. I have to be male, I have to be male. It was what I was telling myself, because I felt way happier presenting as male than I ever had as a female. Stress and anxiety that I didn't even know I had seemed to melt away. But it was replaced by other anxieties. Going out in public in a binder, not shaving my legs, wearing male clothing. I was trying to break out side a box that i had been in my whole life, and it was terrifying. I was raised to always be conscious of what other people thought of me. I was raised to worry what a stranger who would only see me for 20 seconds of my life would think about me. I was raised by a family that was worried about how the world would view them, after all they were involved in the politics of the small Southern town they lived in. While I had not spoken to that part of my family in 10 years, 13 years of training is hard to rub off. And if I was worried what strangers would think it was worse worrying about what the other half of my family would think. The ones who accepted me no matter what, the ones who would let me run across the country side barefooted and in my brothers' clothes as kid. It was their reaction I was worried about. I could not bring myself to tell them, to ask them to use male pronouns, or help me find a male name. If i told them and it turned out I wasn't, I wouldn't ever be able to live the shame down.
I told myself that I wasn't lucky enough to be trans. I knew lucky wasn't the right word to use, but that was how I felt. The the trans men I had started watching on youtube were lucky because they knew enough about themselves to know that transitioning was right. They got to be boys, while I felt I would always be somewhere in gender limbo. Never a female, but never quite a man no matter how much I wished it to be.
They only answer I had was that I had to be faking, going through a phase, out for attention. But if I was out for attention would I really be biting my cheek and keeping quite instead of shouting it to the whole world. Instead I sit behind a computer screen and only talk about how I feel on two forums.
And then at some point I realized that I wanted to transition, but to what I didn't know. I didn't want a female body, I wasn't female no matter how feminine my personalty may be. But I didn't want a male body either. In a way I liked that my hips were a little bit larger than my waist, the only thing that never changed was that the boobs had to go. I wanted to transition to me, and I wanted HRT because I wanted that male hormone, just one more step to being the guy I always didn't know I wanted to be. At night I know this is what I want, but by the next day I am riddle with doubts and fear. I wonder how much of it is fear of what people will thing, some sort of shame. But at the same time I have a fear that I am not trans. Because if I am not trans, and I am not female, then what I am I?
Sometimes I wonder what would of happen if I had never started questioning again. Would I of lived a content life of a women, or would it just of popped up again at some later point. I can't help be feel it would of popped up again. It has a habit of doing so no matter how much you push it away, and once you give in to it there isn't much of a going back.
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Marly

Quote from: Tessa James on May 29, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
"Guess I want something in between. I just want to be me and I guess I feel I can't be that as a female."

Lots of history but those statements seem the bottom line?  You have the ongoing opportunity to define yourself and there may not be a playbook, mentor or pathway that has your name on it.  Many of us will continue to have doubts and resets along the way and they again are opportunities to reassure ourselves or choose other priorities.  You seem to be answering your own questions by describing what makes you feel good.

In our modern culture boobs are synonymous with female sexuality and identity.  We are saturated with them displayed everywhere as a commercial come on of one kind or another.  I want mine to grow while you want yours to go, what irony, if common here ;)

The old narratives have been based on stereotypes for too long and I hope you will write your own future, one that fits you.  It seems more young people are looking outside the boxes and labels for answers.

It struck me the other day about how much we have in common as MTF and FTM, even though our paths lead us in opposite directions.
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Laura_7

QuoteI have to be male. It was what I was telling myself, because I felt way happier presenting as male
Well you have a feeling for it. Just keep going. A way will show itself to make it come true. Maybe not in a straight line or right away. Just keep going.
QuoteAt night I know this is what I want, but by the next day I am riddle with doubts and fear. I wonder how much of it is fear of what people will thing, some sort of shame. But at the same time I have a fear that I am not trans. Because if I am not trans, and I am not female, then what I am I?
Many trans people have a feeling for what other people subconsciously want. Knowing helps. You might try to concentrate on what you want, or what feels right for you.

I'd say take it step by step. Just do the next step. And try out a few things.

No car... some people use bikes, (all at your own risk... use common sense, stay safe) or a bus...
maybe you can team up with someone in the group to get you there...
and there might be online contacts..

there was a thread on online therapists, and some gender therapists have slidings scales... or there might be counseling at plannedparenthood etc...
informed consent might be another possibility...

The mind has a way to come up with doubts... I'd say just keep going, keep trying a few things that feel right...

And keep looking for online support :)


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VeronicaLynn

Quote from: Caduti Morte on May 30, 2015, 11:17:10 PM
Because if I am not trans, and I am not female, then what I am I?

Sometimes I wonder what would of happen if I had never started questioning again. Would I of lived a content life of a women, or would it just of popped up again at some later point. I can't help be feel it would of popped up again.. It has a habit of doing so no matter how much you push it away, and once you give in to it there isn't much of a going back.

I wonder this at times myself, and I'm pretty sure it almost always does. I have a hard time myself internalizing being something other than binary. None of these labels really completely describe me either, should they? Is being able to defined by one word something one should even want to achieve?

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Caduti Morte

Hi, sorry for not replying in a while.

I am trying to take it step by step, but I am kind of heading no where. I want to go out dressed as male but I don't want to put up with my family talking about unshaved legs. I thought about shaving but when I went to I couldn't. I have kind of grown attached to the messy hair.
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Laura_7

Quote from: Caduti Morte on June 05, 2015, 12:32:39 PM
Hi, sorry for not replying in a while.

I am trying to take it step by step, but I am kind of heading no where. I want to go out dressed as male but I don't want to put up with my family talking about unshaved legs. I thought about shaving but when I went to I couldn't. I have kind of grown attached to the messy hair.
Well what about just having a smile at remarks concerning the hair ? :)
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Tessa James

Hmmm, messy hair, hairy legs.  Sounds like most of the guys and some of the women I know.  No big deal really.  I think it was a movie star back in the 1920s who refused to take a roll where she could not wear pants.  Feminist politics have been around a while and to their credit we see women who can now wear anything they want from a button down suit to a tutu.   Male or female we are mammals and by definition have body hair. 

You might remind your family that people of other cultures have no problems with women who do not shave.  And we are talking global here.  From way civilized to the jungle.  They may be shocked by a trip to Europe.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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