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Started by Becca131306, June 21, 2015, 03:29:36 AM

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Becca131306

What would be the best approach to coming out to my wife? Ease into a conversation on it, just up and say it out of the blue or another idea? I'm honestly more worried about coming out to her than I am my family lol. And having 3 boys (11, 8 and 3) makes it harder. I have already lost a daughter. Could use some good advice on how to climb over this hurdle and continue the race.

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warlockmaker

There is no set way to come out but as your wife with children she could have spotted something in you but that may not happen. I came out to my wife at a private dinner in a non romantic restaurant. We already were having troubles with our marriage due to my issues. She never saw it coming but she was immediately supportive. Over the two years she has learnt a lot about us but still has difficulty saying goodbye to my male persona. We have a13 year old daughtee and we are both concerned about coming out to her and the peer pressures she will face.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

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Julia-Madrid

Hi Becca

I think it's important to know what you may want to do about your gender issues, not necessarily completely, but at least to have an idea of your direction before you talk to your wife. 

The second thing is to be gentle with her.  You don't tell us much about yourself.  If you are a something of a dude then it's probably going to be a shock for her.  If you're a more feminine kind of person, then it may be easier for her to see this.

However you do it, my recommendation is to give it the seriousness it deserves, and approach it sensitively in an environment where you will be able to talk about the issues without distraction.  Although this is a very complex human and emotional issue, I think it is valuable to consider a few scenarios, and at least know how you would want to handle them, based on your wife's reaction, which could range from immediate support to outright rejection. 

I also think it's important to take her on your journey as a valued companion, and to recognise that she will probably need as much affirmation of her value as a gendered person and wife as you may need if you embark on your own gender journey.  On this forum I've seen a few desperately frustrated wives whose significant others have become utterly focused, selfishly so, on their gender journey. 

Let us know how it turns out.

Good luck
Julia

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Becca131306

I always have been fairly feminine for a guy. I read jd robb murder/romance, used to read all sorts of my mom's romance novels, my wife says I get my monthly man period cause usually once a month for about a week or so I get cranky worse than normal. She's always saying how my moods will flip on a dime all the time ( though this could be ptsd which I suffer from too after spending 12 months in Iraq back in 2005). All my life everyone that knows me either thinks I'm gay or that I'm a sissy cause of how I comport myself. I don't see this being a shock to many in and of itself. The full transition will be the shocker. And yeah I decided when I first thought about this all a few weeks ago that I was going to go the whole course or not even start. I have wanted to be a woman so bad for so long and suppressed it so much that to stop short off the finish line is unacceptable. I'm not even going to start until I have a plan in place to cover the cost of everything. So far I'll be able to get the VA to cover therapy, hrt, pre and post op care, followup care, all the normal care a woman needs, and more. The only parts I have to figure out is gsr, ffs and any other surgery options I need/want.

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Julia-Madrid

Great - good luck with this!
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Laura_7

You could have a look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,180045.msg1658077.html#msg1658077

Well its up to you what you say since you know them best...

imo this might help:
-explaining it has some biological connections
-saying you will not rush things but go it step by step with a therapist, so no hasted decisions are made
-you will inform her and keep her in the loop, maybe she could attend some therapy sessions too
-you will continue to talk about it


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Sandy

Becca:

First off, it's not a race, but a journey.  As you may have figured out by now, this is a one way journey at that.

Second, there is no good way to slip this into a conversation; "Hon, I've finished mowing the lawn, and the porch swing needs fixing.  And, by the way, I'm trans."

Tell her you need to speak to her on a very personal subject.  Then say what you need to say.  I can't give you any pointers on that.  You've already many described them to us.

Also, thank you for your service to us.  I am so terribly sorry you have to experience PTSD because of that. 

Unfortunately many relationships collapse when one of them transitions.  Your wife may consider you an effeminate man, but will most likely be unable to accept you becoming completely feminine.  There are many reasons for this.  Many don't want to be in what is perceived to be a lesbian relationship, nor do they feel attracted to women.  Other may be blind sided by this, they expected to have a man in their lives but now have no masculine part in their relationship.  And others may be crushed emotionally because you did not have the courage to share this part of you when they may have been completely open and honest with you.

It's a good thing to want to have a good idea of what you face in your transition.  Realize it will be extremely hard and you may face it alone.

We are here to support you in your journey.  With strength and perseverance you will prevail.

-Sandy
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Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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JoanneB

Coming out to a spouse is never easy. Even in my case of a wife who knew since day one some 30+ years ago I had gender issues.

My wife and I tend not to be the dropping some news out of the blue types, unless the situation totally warrants it. If there is something important the other needs to talk about we essentially set up a meeting, or try to. Weeknights tend to bad for us both between my schedule and her health so it is generally the weekends. On occasion, the Moon may in the right position and the response will be let's do it now.

Having been a bad stutterer in the past, to be able to speak at all I needed, still do at times, to rehearse what I am going to say in my head so I can get the words out. For dropping the T-Bomb I sort of had a sheet of notes in a sort of outline form to stay on track. Within about 2 minutes that whole effort got blown away with the barrage of questions and her observations and commentaries.

Be prepared for the raw unfiltered emotional response. You may be thinking this is not such a big surprise for her, but.... You are totally turning her world view on it's head and she can be looking at living out on the street with 3 kids as a best case scenario. She has been lied to, betrayed, and now also plenty of self doubt for "not seeing this coming". For the most part she is correct.

Also keep in mind as the seconds, minutes, hours, even days and months tick by that this will be case. You spent a lifetime barely getting a handle on just feeling trans and very little time being trans, earmarked by deciding to take some steps about it. Your spouse just had this dropped in her lap with zero preparation. It takes time for something like this to begin to sink in. There will be the typical grieving process largely following the Kubler-Ross stages. Often times reinitiated with each major step step you take. (Major to her)

Communication is vital for the survival of the relationship. Love is not enough. I credit the extremely difficult honest and open discussions between my wife and I as the key factor in keeping us together for these past six years. A skill I had to learn fast.

For many trans people coming out to the someone like a spouse and not being struck down by a bolt of lightning, having the Earth open beneath you and swallow you up, or being hit by a meteor is a sign, or the inspiration, to go full speed ahead. The only hitch is you are not the only one on that ship. If you want to keep the relationship somewhat in tack, time is your ally. Of course, if you are barely hanging on to life as it is, time isn't exactly your best friend.

When she asks "What's next?" she is likely thinking you may be wearing a dress by the end of the week. "I don't know" is just as valid as any other answer. After 6 years on this journey I still don't really know what my plans are. I take steps, make changes, find happiness. I readjust as required. If you feel that you need to make some drastic changes in order to live another day, best get that out there. If you feel just making some little change MAY help, say it. For instance in the early days I needed my monthly escape from maleness which I got by spending a good part of the day presenting as female. At first my wife spent the day out shopping, eventually she asked if it was OK for her to stay home (BTW-I never asked her to not be home, it was her initiative). I almost always wore panties so no change there. That worked for me for many years.

Marriage is a partnership. Since no two people always think and feel the same about everything compromise is par for the course. Her needs to her are just as important and valid as your needs are to you. Communication is key here. It sounds like it won't be a problem but.... someone just may hold back so as to not hurt the other.
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Becca131306

Well I just asked my wife by text her thoughts on Transgender (said me and the FtM I work with were talking about it) and she said she believes some people are born with contrary gender. So it sounds like me coming out to her will be a bit easier than I thought. Probably has her thinking back about all the things that I do that originally set her "gaydar" off when we got together lol. Course it's hard to guess how she will take losing a husband and gaining a wife so we will see. Think imma sit down real soon and talk with her.

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Cynobyte

Quote from: Becca131306 on June 21, 2015, 04:45:06 AM
I always have been fairly feminine for a guy. I read jd robb murder/romance, used to read all sorts of my mom's romance novels, my wife says I get my monthly man period cause usually once a month for about a week or so I get cranky worse than normal. She's always saying how my moods will flip on a dime all the time ( though this could be ptsd which I suffer from too after spending 12 months in Iraq back in 2005). All my life everyone that knows me either thinks I'm gay or that I'm a sissy cause of how I comport myself. I don't see this being a shock to many in and of itself. The full transition will be the shocker. And yeah I decided when I first thought about this all a few weeks ago that I was going to go the whole course or not even start. I have wanted to be a woman so bad for so long and suppressed it so much that to stop short off the finish line is unacceptable. I'm not even going to start until I have a plan in place to cover the cost of everything. So far I'll be able to get the VA to cover therapy, hrt, pre and post op care, followup care, all the normal care a woman needs, and more. The only parts I have to figure out is gsr, ffs and any other surgery options I need/want.

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I would have suggested on asking her about jenner, mention that its a good time now for trans to come out since you never knew much about them.  Then maybe a few days later, that you have been thinking about jenner, and how she is now happy.  Then, kinda odd some things she talks about are same for you..  then, hold on, maybe im trans, maybe I should talk to someone about it.          Anyone else think this would have worked?  I honestly dont remember how my wife was told.  Maybe she doesnt know?  (Yea right)  I wish you the best though;)

As for the va, start this on the outside and then let them take over.  I have the best drs and shrinks down at the el paso va, but after a year out to them, they would rather not know:(  its not the drs, but the policies:(  they are changing, and im working on them.  I just was there today and got the ball rolling for gastric bypass, even though im not bmi of 40, it would help my diabetes and alot of other issues that are service related.  Since its gonna take many months to get done through the va, my dr already started the labs and consults so they are done when I get my contracting letter to get this done out of the va.  Ok, I talk too much, but im just saying try not to transition expecting the va to help.  If they do, congrats!  I would suggest go slow to get it right, but not va slow..  and do ask the va to find you a therapist who specializes in transgender.  They should contract you out to a good one.  I was with a therapist before I got my va help.  You should have medicare if 10o percent disabled.  A good therapist may not charge a copay;)  maybe one for wife too!  Go slow with her, and do not promise her you will not change.  Good luck with wife and va..
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Becca131306

I'm only 70% but I do have medicaid right now. I looked into the Fayetteville AR VA hospital already on how they deal with Transgender and found a pdf memo that was given out to them. I'll try and find the link again when I get home and post it here.

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Cynobyte

Yea, and racism and bullying doesnt exist;)  like an idiot, I tried to use that memo and other regs to see what the va would do for me.  I guess they didnt get the memo yet:(  and arkansas!  Id suggest doing the transition in the general medical public.  After you get certain things started, then goto your va primary care dr.  If anything, work at talking with them to get it put in your file so they can start accepting it and hopefully one day live up to your expectations..  have you been to the va yet in fem clothes?  I can do it everywhere, but I go more gender neutral when I go there.  Just something you may not wanna do until you are secure in your gender.

Now for the kicker, since they did this (my real medical issues), I started to choose my drs,   I do goto a satellite va that is in new mexico which is very tg friendly.  I wish all fellow vets could get my primary care dr.  She is doing what she can for me.  Getting me my gastric bypass will be her best accomplishment.  Im hoping by this time next year I will have recovered weighing as much as my wife for once, but the real reason is to hopefully not be a diabetic and have less pain..

You will run into some bad drs there at the va when you come out.  There is always patient advocate,  but ive found it easier just finding a better dr and moving on.  But one theme I remember from basic thats the same at the va, " hurry up and wait! ". 
Just take your transition slow, that way your wife may adjust.  Get on hrt and find out who you are as a woman, if that is who you choose to be.  Im a couple years in, but still trying to define my gender.  You may find a happy middle if you stick with your wife and she has terms. 

Last thing, I may be wrong, you are a few hundred miles away.  To me, some states are more lgbt friendly than others.  I lived in nebraska and west texas, ill stick  to new mexico for now;)  Good luck;)
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Becca131306

Sadly Arkansas isn't very LGBT griendly. They actually passed a law allowing businesses to fire Transgender workers based on that alone. Thankfully I have a good primary care team. Dr walker seems pretty good for an older dr. Just have to see how it goes. Will see about finding a therapist outside the VA for initial gender dysphoria diagnosis.

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