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takotsubo

Hi!
I've been searching for a while to find a good support forum, and was delighted to see that this one is so active. I'm also glad to have found through a little lurking that it seems to be okay to be uncertain about one's gender identity here; this forum appears to be inclusive also to the non-binary and genderqueer.

I'm in my late twenties. My legal and biological sex is male, but I've experienced some level of gender dysphoria for as long as I can remember. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I need to do to feel better about myself, though.

As a child a had a strong preference to girly clothes, toys and haircuts, and was frequently mistaken for a girl. At that point this "misgendering" of me as a girl bothered me, and this is one of the things that I struggle to understand today. In the stories I hear from binary transsexuals a recurring theme is feeling from an early age that they did in fact belong to the other sex. I did not. I effectively crossdressed all through my childhood, my friends were almost exclusively girls, my manners and behaviour were much closer to girly than boyish, but I did not self-identify as a girl. Maybe I should not let this bother me, and simply think about what I am and what I want today, but I have a hard time letting go of the fact that as a child I actively identified as male. As I write this, though, I strongly remember the feeling of loneliness when I spent time with my female friends, but never quite could become a member of the exclusive club that was girls.

In my late teens I feel ill with a rather severe depression and an eating disorder. I believe it was during my illness that I started to consider that I might be transgender. I experimented a bit with crossdressing and makeup. For a while I identified as a binary transsexual, and spent a significant amount of time on support boards much like this one, but I never chose to take the step into transition, largely out of fear of having to come out to friends and family. I also feared having to spend time en femme in the early stages of transition, without being able to pass for a woman.

Ultimately I decided that while I did not feel comfortable as a male, changing my body was not the way to go for me. I toyed with the idea of a gender neutral identity, but ultimately ended up living another ten years or so as a male, pushing my discomfort to the back of my mind.

Lately however, these thoughts are resurfacing, and while a part of me wants to repress them and lead a largely happy existence as a male, I do believe that I need to keep exploring my gender identity.

I do not keep it a secret that I am displeased with the limitations of binary gender roles, and I have mentioned to some of my closer friends that I do not quite identify as male. From time to time I am mistaken for a woman (although gay man is a far more common misconception) and I rather enjoy those short moments in the land of female pronouns. I find that I feel certain about one thing: I am not male. Every time I am referred to with a masculine pronoun I cringe a little inside. What I'm not so sure about is if I identify as female or if I fall somewhere on the nonbinary spectrum.  Nor am I certain regarding how I feel about my body. If I could magically trade it in for a fully functional, passable female body I would do so in a heartbeat, but I feel a lot more hesitant about HRT and surgery. Also, a female body feels important to me mainly in relation to others; alone in front of the mirror I feel relative neutral about my body. It's there. It's functional. It's not the body that I would ideally like to have, but who has their ideal body, really?

I guess it sort of boils down to this:
I do not identify as male, but while I would rather like to be a woman, the idea of the actual transition scares me, not least the idea that the result might not be satisfactory. This makes me think that if I were "truly" transsexual I would not feel fear or doubt, I would jump at any chance to become the woman I was born to be. Does this make sense?

Thank you for reading. I kind of only intended to write a brief hello, but one paragraph lead to another, and now here we are...

/Takotsubo
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Mariah

Hi Takotsubo, welcome to Susan's. Yes, we are very inclusive and have a wonderful non binary section along with all the other sections that I'm sure you will enjoy. A therapist would be a great next point in your transition to help figure out where you are on the gender spectrum. I look forward to seeing you around the forums. Good luck and Hugs
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katrinaw

Hi Takotsubo

Welcome to Susan's

Well, I can relate to a lot of your story.

As you are aware there are no set piece Gender ID rules or drivers through life, each and everyone of us is different. Whether its with you all life, or comes late, or you manage to bury your anguish and try to live in your assigned birth gender, the emotions and needs tend to come back.

Thanks for sharing your life story, to date and, once again welcome.

Look forward to seeing you about

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V M

Hi Tacotsubo  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

Hugs

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Kaydee

Quote from: takotsubo on June 28, 2015, 07:03:21 PM

I guess it sort of boils down to this:
I do not identify as male, but while I would rather like to be a woman, the idea of the actual transition scares me, not least the idea that the result might not be satisfactory. This makes me think that if I were "truly" transsexual I would not feel fear or doubt, I would jump at any chance to become the woman I was born to be. Does this make sense?

/Takotsubo

First, welcome to Susan's.  I hope you feel free to explore yourself hear.

I don't think it is unusual to feel doubt and fear.   You may be beginning a very important and irreversible journey.  Who wouldn't be afraid?  Who wouldn't doubt their self?   You need to take the time to figure out who you are.  Once I came out to myself it took me months to determine that I would need to transition, and the fear was with me until I found others could accept me as I really was and I found I could pass as a woman in public.   Now I have transitioned and would never go back.


If you haven't done so find a gender therapist to work through your feelings.  Take small steps towards being the person you think you may want to be and see how it feels.   If you get to a point where you feel comfortable, stop there.  There is no fixed way to handle gender dysphoria.   Just aim to become you.

Aimee





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takotsubo

Quote from: Mariah2014 on June 28, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
welcome to Susan's

Thank you!

Quote from: Mariah2014 on June 28, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
A therapist would be a great next point in your transition to help figure out where you are on the gender spectrum.

That is probably a good next step, albeit a scary one. I work with healthcare, and we use a large system with centralised charts, so I think I might have to work on finding a therapist that works in a different system. I have felt rather held back during therapy in the past, knowing that it only takes one curious co-worker ignoring the secrecy rules and all my deepest, darkest secrets would be exposed.
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takotsubo

Quote from: katrinaw on June 28, 2015, 07:24:13 PM
As you are aware there are no set piece Gender ID rules or drivers through life, each and everyone of us is different. Whether its with you all life, or comes late, or you manage to bury your anguish and try to live in your assigned birth gender, the emotions and needs tend to come back.

They do indeed. And I suppose nothing good ever came from burying one's anguish, so I'll try to face my gender issues properly this time.  :)

Quote from: katrinaw on June 28, 2015, 07:24:13 PM
Thanks for sharing your life story, to date and, once again welcome.

Thank you!
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takotsubo

Quote from: V M on June 28, 2015, 07:40:42 PM

Welcome to Susan's  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun


Thanks, I intend to! I'm starting to feel at home already. :)
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takotsubo

Quote from: Kaydee on June 28, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
First, welcome to Susan's.  I hope you feel free to explore yourself hear.
Thank you!

Quote from: Kaydee on June 28, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
I don't think it is unusual to feel doubt and fear.   You may be beginning a very important and irreversible journey.  Who wouldn't be afraid?  Who wouldn't doubt their self?   

I appreciate you saying that.

Quote from: Kaydee on June 28, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
If you haven't done so find a gender therapist to work through your feelings.  Take small steps towards being the person you think you may want to be and see how it feels.   If you get to a point where you feel comfortable, stop there.  There is no fixed way to handle gender dysphoria.   Just aim to become you.

As said above: the therapist part is a little bit more complicated for me, but it's hardly a problem that can not be solved, and you are right  -I should find a solution.

As for the small steps I have started very small with things like tweaking my clothing towards the feminine and starting to pluck my eyebrows. Im considering some light makeup and maybe laser removal of my (unforunately very visible) facial hair as a next step. I sort of hope that I will find after a while that I am at a level of genderqueer that makes me feel comfortable about myself. At the same time I am simultaneously frightened and thrilled by the idea that my first tiny steps towards femininity might awaken an irresistible need in me to transition completely.

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Dena

Welcome to Susan's place. Transitioning and SRS is scary even for those of us who did it and you should consider all other options before deciding on SRS. You don't have a clear idea what your feelings are so I suggest you go to youtube and request "The Transition Channel" This is a series of videos that determine if you are a likely candidate for SRS. Should you find you don't match the videos, we need to look elsewhere. If you see your self in the video, we will know what to work on.
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takotsubo

Quote from: Dena on June 30, 2015, 05:19:19 PM
I suggest you go to youtube and request "The Transition Channel" This is a series of videos that determine if you are a likely candidate for SRS.

Thanks, I didn't  know about the transition channel! Ill look into it! :-)
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takotsubo



Quote from: Dena on June 30, 2015, 05:19:19 PM
I suggest you go to youtube and request "The Transition Channel" This is a series of videos that determine if you are a likely candidate for SRS.

Well that was pretty powerful. Not least the part where she said that cis-gendered people do not generally ask themselves if they are transgender, and if that's why you watch the video, you are probably transgender.

I'd say that judging from what she said in those videos I am indeed transgender. I do experience body dysphoria, and I have had a persistent feeling of not being male.

I guess I knew these things already, but it felt good to get those feelings validated nonetheless.
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Dena

When it comes time to make the decision for SRS, you  need to make the decision with both your head and you heart. The more you learn about transsexualism the wiser you will be at decision time. Your education has only started. I learned about those videos when they were recommended to somebody else. I went over to watch them and the same topics we discussed almost 35 years ago were being repeated so I added that to my tool box for others to use.

When the time for SRS comes, the doctors will state you are able to make the decision for yourself. You make the decision and if it's wrong, you only have yourself to blame. If you make the right decision, you will be happy for the rest of your life.
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Kaydee

Quote from: takotsubo on June 30, 2015, 05:09:17 PM

As for the small steps I have started very small with things like tweaking my clothing towards the feminine and starting to pluck my eyebrows. Im considering some light makeup and maybe laser removal of my (unforunately very visible) facial hair as a next step. I sort of hope that I will find after a while that I am at a level of genderqueer that makes me feel comfortable about myself. At the same time I am simultaneously frightened and thrilled by the idea that my first tiny steps towards femininity might awaken an irresistible need in me to transition completely.

Those sound like some good steps - try them an see how you feel.   I was playing with a little makeup before coming out publicly.  No one seemed to notice.   But it made me feel better and a I now have greater confidence using makeup as part of my routine. 

You are correct that taking the small steps may lead you to want to fully transition.  That is what happened with me.  I was trying hard to find alternatives to transition, hoping that light hormones might be enough to satisfy my need to feminize.  But I found that the more feminine I presented (just to myself) the calmer and more content I felt. Enough so that it became obvious I could only be happy if I were to transition fully.   But your own path may be different.  Focus on becoming yourself - whoever that may be.  Transitioning can be tough.  Being yourself - priceless.
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takotsubo

Quote from: Dena on July 02, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
The more you learn about transsexualism the wiser you will be at decision time. Your education has only started.

That is very true, although I have the advantage of a medical education, so I have a fair bit of knowledge about the medical part. It is when it comes to the social and emotional implications that I am almost entirely ignorant. :-)

Quote from: Dena on July 02, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
If you make the right decision, you will be happy for the rest of your life.

Funny thing is I'm currently in the longest depression-free period I've experienced since my early teens. I'm even (slowly, carefully) trying to get off my meds. For the most part, I am happy. It's almost like I needed to find this calmer, less anxious self before I could allow myself to really explore my feelings regarding gender identity. But the fact that my depression is in remission does not make me feel any less transgender. While I wish I'd had the courage to deal with these feelings earlier in life, it feels good to know that those insistent, recurring thoughts about my gender was not just the depression talking.
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takotsubo

Quote from: Kaydee on July 04, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
You are correct that taking the small steps may lead you to want to fully transition.

No kidding... It's only been a week now since I first registered on this site and said hello. But every tiny step I take just makes me more eager for the next one, and I already feel so much more determined to move forwards with this. :D
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stephaniec

good luck on your journey it took me a very long time to start the proper path , but I made it and its good. Bienvenue
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Dena

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That is very true, although I have the advantage of a medical education, so I have a fair bit of knowledge about the medical part. It is when it comes to the social and emotional implications that I am almost entirely ignorant. :-)
I am one of the longer term post surgical people on the site with 33 year under my belt but there is a group of with many years post surgical. Feel free to ask any questions you might have and we will do our best to answer them.

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Funny thing is I'm currently in the longest depression-free period I've experienced since my early teens. I'm even (slowly, carefully) trying to get off my meds. For the most part, I am happy. It's almost like I needed to find this calmer, less anxious self before I could allow myself to really explore my feelings regarding gender identity. But the fact that my depression is in remission does not make me feel any less transgender. While I wish I'd had the courage to deal with these feelings earlier in life, it feels good to know that those insistent, recurring thoughts about my gender was not just the depression talking.
I think there are three major points in treatment that greatly improve the mental state.
The first is getting acceptance of of your problem and this can come from a support group or just from admitting what you are.
The second is HRT. I think the wrong sex hormone does something to the brain that greatly increases the level of discomfort. I have no idea what it is and nobody ever studied the subject but we almost crave the hormone of the gender opposite of our birth gender. We seen to know that the hormones our body is producing is the wrong one.
The third is the point in therapy where the problems of the past have been treated and we are ready to face a new life without anything from the past to bother us.
Dealing with each of these helps our mind and in my case, I finished all three before SRS. This made my new life the complete opposite of my old one. I am still happy and have never regretted the SRS. My roommate passed away 2 years ago and now I am over the grieving I find I still want to explore life even more (the reason why is complex but let me know if you want to know more).
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