women with adam's apples? men with hips?

[Gothic Dandy]

Well, I was going to share some links I found, but lately I've been seeing a lot of issues regarding links/posts being removed? I don't know how I've been here this long and never realized outside links aren't allowed.

Today I stumbled on some Go Ask Alice letters and I was surprised! One was from a cis woman with a pronounced adam's apple, and the other was from a cis man with "women's hips" which he swore were a women's size 12 including the waist.

For both, it caused major embarrassment, grief, and I suppose you could say gender dysphoria for most of their lives. Each were afraid of being mistaken as a trans person  or of being completely misgendered.

They have the same problems as us!!

For the woman, Alice even suggested she look into the same surgical procedure that transwomen undergo (I don't remember what it's called, sorry).

I think society is in a pretty sorry state if even cisgender people feel the need to undergo gender-reaffirming procedures in order to fit feminine/masculine standards!

I wish I could share the links so you could see "Alice's" responses. Maybe I could get permission to post them?

[Contravene]

I've always had an Adam's apple despite being AFAB. I remember one time in high school during a health class someone asked if women have Adam's apples to which the teacher replied "no, women don't have them, ever. If a woman has an Adam's apple then she wasn't always a woman." I guess that would have embarrassed a cis girl but it made me proud to have one. Plus, I always knew that teacher was a moron anyway.

[kelly_aus]

I guess living somewhere with a fair slab of genetic diversity has it's positives. I can wander around during my day and see more than a few women that have what might be called 'manly' bodies and features - a fact that has made my transition somewhat easier.

The fact is, those 'ideas' of what a man is and what a woman is are stereotypes, OK, many fit them, but genetic diversity is going to make reality a different story.

[Anna R]

I've always had an Adam's apple despite being AFAB. I remember one time in high school during a health class someone asked if women have Adam's apples to which the teacher replied "no, women don't have them, ever.

Well you only have to type in "Women with Adam's apples" on Google to be assured that your teacher does not have a clue.
The angle of prominence is the reason for this being 90% in males and 120% in females although there are quite a few "biological" females with prominent protrusions .
Anna

[Contravene]

I've always had an Adam's apple despite being AFAB. I remember one time in high school during a health class someone asked if women have Adam's apples to which the teacher replied "no, women don't have them, ever.

Well you only have to type in "Women with Adam's apples" on Google to be assured that your teacher does not have a clue.
The angle of prominence is the reason for this being 90% in males and 120% in females although there are quite a few "biological" females with prominent protrusions .
Anna

Yep, I did look it up once and discovered exactly what you mentioned. Looking back now I suspect she was either taking a potshot at transgender people for some weird personal reason or trying to set her students up to subconsciously be bigots like her since it wasn't the first time she had snuck an off-color and incorrect comment into her teaching. (She once "joked" that men sweat, they don't perspire and if a man tells you he's perspiring rather than sweating he's probably gay.) I didn't even realize I was trans yet back then but it still struck me as odd that her attitude was so vehement and hateful with those sort of comments. Yeah, I pretty much hated that class lol.


Anyway, I also was going to mention that I know a few cis men who are well endowed in the hip area. Knowing that transmen and women aren't the only one who struggle with things like these helps to ease my dysphoria a little.

[Gothic Dandy]

Haha wow, sounds like that teacher had some problems. Reminds me a little bit of an old dance instructor of mine. She usually acted pleasant, but had a thing about making gendered comments about women's bodies during class. "[Rants about skinny girls] but women are supposed to have curves! We're women, not boys!" Hiss...

[barbie]

I do not have a pronounced Adam's apple, neither does Ha Ri Su, the most famous m2f transgender entertainer here. Her first TV advertisement 15 years ago paved roads for her success as entertainer. In that advertisement, a digitally animated Adam's apple was inserted, and she actually does not have a pronounced Adam's apple.



barbie~~

[Missy D]

I love mine!!

Well, for whatever reason, I've developed a typically female inverted tracheal tissue thingy. I won't call it an 'Adam's Apple' because it isn't one. At least not in the conventional sense anyway. It appears as the typical dot beneath the skin that lots of women have - my mother has a identically shaped neck.

It's nice to think I won't have to go through a tracheal shave. Also it's something completely natural looking that can't be bought. Or at least I don't think surgeons can construct something akin to what I have.

[LordKAT]

I know a lady with a larger adams apple than most men. It can and does happen.

[twinkiepie]

I was born as a male but I identify as gender non-binary. I'm told I have a hourglass figure (33-26-34). What do you think?

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[JoanneB]

I've always had my mom's hips. I also got more than my fair share of teasing about my girlie hips as a kid. I wish that I can say after 6 years of HRT I also got her bust. Sadly no

[Gothic Dandy]

Harisu is so pretty! Thanks for sharing, Barbie!

twinkiepie, I think "hourglass" figures are curvier than that, but you do seem to have proportions that could be found in a female. I hesitate to say "typical" female since I don't believe there is a typical shape for female bodies. All of us regardless of gender are so varied. For reference, as someone who is afab, mine are (or were, in better days lol) 34-27-36 so we could technically share clothes! lol. I always thought of myself as a not-very-curvy female, so it seems we fit right in the androgynous zone.

[Gothic Dandy]

Random anecdote...I remember when I was in grade school, I went to daycare with some younger kids one day and one of the boys was like "Why do you have an adam's apple?" I'd secretly thought this to myself when I looked in the mirror. I don't remember how I felt about it, but I worried that other people would notice. When somebody DID notice, I felt something like validation mixed with pleasure, as well as embarrassment for the feeling of pleasure. I didn't say anything back but tried to suppress a smile.

Also, links!

http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/women-adams-apples
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/man-womens-hips