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tips on passing (for me)??

Started by gaygirl420, July 15, 2015, 12:23:29 AM

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KristinaM

I'd love to hear your singing voice either way. You can PM me a link if your not allowed to post it publicly!
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amber roskamp

Hey gaygirl I think your adorable tbh. If you aren't passing I don't think it has anything to do with your appearance.

Listening to you link I think to u also have a beautiful voice. So I'm not sure how you aren't "passing"
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gaygirl420

hmm it wont let me send personal messages. anyone know why?
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Mariah

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lostcharlie

Actually think your kinda hot..... if the villagers aren't chasing you with pitchforks and torches don't sweat it..... ;D
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michelle82

i think you pass in both of those pictures. i don't think your shoulders and arms are overly masculine either.  Your voice sounds great too.

And 5'10" is on average a bit taller than most women, but it shouldn't be a dead give away. I work with a few women who are taller than 5'10" and no one questions their gender.

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Sabrina

You seem quite passable to me.
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emyrinth

tank tops or longer looser sleeves can help with the arms the tiny strap on camis tends to emphasize the shoulders but honestly I don't think I would have clocked you. I work in a hospital full of women and there really are all kinds of frames out there.
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gaygirl420

aw wow yall are making me blush!! i bookmarked this thread so i can read it when i feel dysphoric lol. thanks ladies <3
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iKate

Quote from: Ⓥ on July 17, 2015, 08:30:18 AM
No?

Did you see Caitlyn Jenner's speech for example? The voice totally mismatched her absolutely stunning look. I suppose she has the money to train it or fix it surgically, so she may be doing that soon. And if she's happy with herself with her current voice, that's fine too.
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amber roskamp

Quote from: iKate on July 17, 2015, 08:32:30 AM
Did you see Caitlyn Jenner's speech for example? The voice totally mismatched her absolutely stunning look. I suppose she has the money to train it or fix it surgically, so she may be doing that soon. And if she's happy with herself with her current voice, that's fine too.

While voice can be an obvious give away, like in Caitlyn's case. It is no where near the first thing we gender people by. We actively gender people the first minute we see them. Visuals are the most important thing to get gendered correctly. If people aren't sure then they will listen to ur voice to try to gender you.
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gaygirl420

voice is v important. ive had people misgender me (hello sir) and then hear me speak and apologize
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iKate

Quote from: amber roskamp on July 17, 2015, 09:07:20 AM
While voice can be an obvious give away, like in Caitlyn's case. It is no where near the first thing we gender people by. We actively gender people the first minute we see them. Visuals are the most important thing to get gendered correctly. If people aren't sure then they will listen to ur voice to try to gender you.

I did not say it was the first thing. I did say that it made looks and everything else secondary.

And based on my own personal experience and observation it is absolutely true. I've had people use every feminine pronoun with me until I talked, then it was, "oh, sir."

I stress this because too many of us neglect our voices. We try our best to look absolutely feminine but when we open our mouths it all falls apart then we run crying wondering why we got clocked.

Surgery is expensive. I get it. But voice training on YouTube is FREE. FYFV by Andrea James is excellent and gave me a lot to work with. And even if you don't pass 100% visually, the voice can help overcome that.
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amber roskamp

I'm not denying that it is important if ur worried about passing in every situation. I just disagree with what u said about it and mannerisms being 90% of passing. That's total bull. We don't even interact with most of the people we see. Speaking well isn't gonna stop random people from staring at u. I really don't care about how well I pass with people I know to an extent if I meet someone and we talk I will literally tell them I'm trans with in the first 15 minutes.. I surround myself with people who are affirming of my identity so I can trust most people I associate with.

It's to the random strangers in the street that I worry about. I don't talk to them. So voice is secondary to how well I pass, in those situations, compared to my whole physical appearance and movements.
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iKate

If you don't interact with people, how can you tell they misgender or clock you? People stare all the time. People stare at me, people stare at my mom, my sister in law, my wife. People just stare. Especially if you wear bright colors like red, salmon or pink.

The random person on the street doesn't bother me as much as the retail store clerk or restaurant employee who will blurt out a "sir." There are even people I know who have gotten clocked and blatantly laughed at, and it was triggered by voice.

The thing is that you cannot know what J. random street person is thinking. And in most cases unless you have obviously strong masculine features the most they will be is unsure of your gender. They will have doubt in their mind but the doubt is double edged - they aren't sure if you're a woman, but they aren't sure if you're a man either. When you have to talk it will swing the needle in whichever direction and if you do it right it will be in the female direction.

That is why I fully stand by my statement. Voice and mannerisms are key. Looks are only secondary.

However, all of these things make up a complete picture.

As for telling people, I don't. Not even people I work with beyond those who knew when I went full time, or those who don't know and mistakenly called me by my old name. But new people I don't tell. Maybe they figure it out themselves, maybe they don't. It's really nobody's business. I am not an activist and my mission is simply to live my life.
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amber roskamp

I feel like it varies from person to person based on their starting point. It's literally impossible for many of us to pass perfectly, and it is primarily because of our bone structure. I hate to say it but it's true. Thus isn't because of voice and mannerisms this is because of development of the skeletal structure.

Also other visual cues like if u have a obvious five o'clock shadow then it doesn't matter about the other ->-bleeped-<-. If ur presentation skills suck then you aren't gonna have an easy time passing. Like if you don't know how to hide masculine body features, and how to highlight feminine ones. Or if your make-up looks like a mess. Or if you don't tuck. Mannerisms aren't that important. There are tons of butch women and tomboys that are passing as cis women perfectly. Including some trans women. Just do u.

A voice can be a dead give away. Equal too a shadow. but if you are just ok voice wise they will focus on your appearance. You don't need to be.perfect. there are girls with fairly deep voices.
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jaynemonroe79

You look great. Keep rocking! I play as well. I love playing music. Won't ever stop playing the blues. Never, never never. I'm a southern girl stuck in the Midwest so I keep my guitar and harps close by...

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lexxie_black86

You already look passable girl! Very cute! BTW awesome Legend of Zelda earrings !!

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